Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Episode VII)

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Harrison Fords new role is as a bandit.

Ford’s galactic payday is based on a $25 million upfront payment – placing the 73-year-old star in the very top echelon of Hollywood earners – backed up by a 0.5% share of the film’s gross earnings, which could be worth another $9 million if the film hits $2 billion at the global box office. The basic figure is more than 56 times the $450,000 flat fee received by British newcomers John Boyega and Daisy Ridley – who will also start to receive a cut once the film grosses $1 billion worldwide – and crucially, 17 times the $1.5 million sum Carrie Fisher is due to receive for returning to the role of Leia Organa.

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Hell, he probably could have gotten more. The other actors in the cast don't have anywhere near the leverage he does or have characters as iconic.

I think Daisy is going to get some money though in her career. She killed it.

I'd say Luke Skywalker is a more iconic character than Han Solo but for whatever reason JJ's (and Kasdan's) favorite character is Han Solo so Harrison Ford had all the leverage.

I really hope Luke plays a bigger role in Ep 8.
 

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Iconic character: Check
Most Screen Time of returning actors: Check

He should be paid more. Presumably Luke and Leia will have larger roles in the next episode or two and will get bigger paydays as a result.

Whatever Mark Hamill got was probably a steal too, considering the work he did in this movie.
 

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Ok, now that opening weekend is over most of us have seen it and I've had a few days to digets the movie, and reading this thread i've got a few points to add.

If you haven't seen it don't read...

A follow up to my comment about it possibly being the best movie of the of the seven. From a movie watching experience this is by far the best of the seven, imo. One of the things I was always fascinated with of the originals were the sound fx. This movie takes those sound fx and really lets them loose.
- The crackling of Ren's saber
- The tie fighter ripping across the screen
- The updated blaster sounds and hits.
- Even the falcon chase scene at the beginning

This movie was by far the best when it comes to auditory senses.

The visuals were almost as equally as impressive.
- The Falcon flying as we've never seen it fly. Heck it was drifting at the end of the chase scene.
- Poe's dog fight at Maz's watering hole. A thing of beauty.
- BB8, a practical FX.
- how the Starkiller got it's energy.

And so on. One of of the things I didn't like about the prequels was that Lucas made the environments too big, too grand. There was no room for imagination. This movie succeeded in showing the audience an environment without it being too much. One Star Destroyer crashed. One At-At downed where Rey lived. Just the Falcon when they take it.

There was just so much from this from a viewing experience that made it the best of the seven. To me at least.


As for the story.. Hey, Empire had the greatest plot reveal/twist in cinematic history, so there's no arguing that. But a few things regarding this story and the same basic flow of the original.

- I don't have a problem with it being similar to the original. There was such a disconnect between fans and what Lucas did with the prequels that this was a safe way to reconnect with the fans while still evolving the story. What if they had gone completely in a different direction and it bombed? It may have tanked the franchise. Now that fans are reconnected I think we'll see this go in a different direction.

- Kylo Ren. While I'm not a fan of Driver with the helmet off I think we're going to see things from the dark side we've never seen. I mean, Ren did what Vader and Luke could never do - he killed the family member trying to save him. There's a comment i found on a site that really sums up what we might see from Ren.
Kylo Ren was worried that he would never live up to the villainous expectations that Darth Vader set as a Sith Lord. But after Kylo killed Han Solo, his own father, he be came worse than Vader was. Vader would have never killed his own son, Luke Skywalker, which is what kind of helped redeem him at the end of Return of the Jedi. Kylo is a crazy, angry, temper fueled individual, and it's hard to think he will find any redemption.

Ren will be a terrible, tempestuous villain, and I think his chaos will only be fueled further by his killing of his father. He's going to have to battle grief and self-loathing now on a far deeper level. I don't know how his redemption will play out, but he is going to become an even more troubled character, I believe. Vader had a calm malice about him; Ren will be a maelstrom wherever he goes.
And anyone who saw Hans death come before he stepped out on the walk way is crazy. Unless you were on the writing team, on the production crew or Ford you had no clue this was coming. Even when Ren started tearing up it was still not a given.

I think Leia will be next.

This movie left us with more questions than answers and wanting more. Which is exactly what Empire did.
 

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Iconic character: Check
Most Screen Time of returning actors: Check

He should be paid more. Presumably Luke and Leia will have larger roles in the next episode or two and will get bigger paydays as a result.

Whatever Mark Hamill got was probably a steal too, considering the work he did in this movie.
And Ford is the most established actor of the cast too.
 

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I gotta tell you, I'm surprised at how much people are giving this movie a pass for "rehashing" so many elements from ANH. The further I get away from this, the less I like it. It was like the Star Wars version of Hangover 2. The utter lack of ANYTHING new really bothers me. And from a plot POV, the movie started with a search for a macguffin... Then like 2/3 of the way through completely ignored that plot, making the last act all about taking down the first order... and then had the laziest Deus ex machina ever to get back to the original plot... Which ultimately didn't matter anyway.

Empire..... Luke loses hand. Lando...another version of the Han Solo. Empire searching for Rebel base. ROTJ - another Death Star...I could go on and on. Hell they even reused Star Wars footage of powering up the death star. LOL. Star Wars is full of plot regurgitation dating back to the originals. I mean if that is a standard you might as well give up Star Wars. It seems like one of the general themes of Star Wars has always been that what has happened before will happen again.

Even if you consider this a regurgitation of ANH...guess what? They did it better than a ANH. I know this is blasphemy for some but I think ANH is the most overrated of all the Star Wars movies. Wooden dialogue, mix of bad acting with good. In retrospect it contains one of the worst lightsaber duels in the franchise. Definitely some iconic moments but that movie is guilty of the same thing. It explains nothing along the way, has huge plot holes. People forgive it because it was the first that broke new ground.

In terms of "the search". I didn't have a problem with it. It was meant to be a minor plot device to setup the next movies. That is REALLY what this movie was about. It was about handing off the torch to the new generation. The three new heroes were great IMO. Despite my two main issues I thought it was great. Easily my second favorite in the entire franchise.
 
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Ok, now that opening weekend is over most of us have seen it and I've had a few days to digets the movie, and reading this thread i've got a few points to add.

If you haven't seen it don't read...

As for the story.. Hey, Empire had the greatest plot reveal/twist in cinematic history, so there's no arguing that. But a few things regarding this story and the same basic flow of the original.

- I don't have a problem with it being similar to the original. There was such a disconnect between fans and what Lucas did with the prequels that this was a safe way to reconnect with the fans while still evolving the story. What if they had gone completely in a different direction and it bombed? It may have tanked the franchise. Now that fans are reconnected I think we'll see this go in a different direction.

I hope so... I have much more faith in Rian Johnson to deliver something completely fresh then JJ, who always makes really entertaining movies... that I've already seen.


- Kylo Ren. While I'm not a fan of Driver with the helmet off I think we're going to see things from the dark side we've never seen. I mean, Ren did what Vader and Luke could never do - he killed the family member trying to save him. There's a comment i found on a site that really sums up what we might see from Ren.
And anyone who saw Hans death come before he stepped out on the walk way is crazy. Unless you were on the writing team, on the production crew or Ford you had no clue this was coming. Even when Ren started tearing up it was still not a given.

I think Leia will be next.

This movie left us with more questions than answers and wanting more. Which is exactly what Empire did.

well, then I guess I'm either "crazy" or a liar, in your opinion. Or you can go back in this thread and see that I thought Han was going to die MONTHS ago (go check page 30 of this thread where I called his death back in April) and you know how I knew that? A) There was no way he was going to be in 3 movies B) Because I knew JJ would have to follow the letter of the law that he should never take risks and only do what's been done before... which was kill off the main mentor of the first episode. I thought it was stupid with Qui-Gon, who I never really cared about and the second it was revealed that Ren's father was Han and they had issues, it was obvious Han was a dead man. That really isn't that tough to figure out. Hell, there was an entire scene where Snoke was questioned whether or not Ren had what it takes when it comes to moment of truth. As the movie hummed along, that was obviously going to be confronting his father. Doesn't take someone inside the production to put two and two together there. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't make me crazy or a liar.
 
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In terms of "the search". I didn't have a problem with it. It was meant to be a minor plot device to setup the next movies. That is REALLY what this movie was about. It was about handing off the torch to the new generation. The three new heroes were great IMO. Despite my two main issues I thought it was great. Easily my second favorite in the entire franchise.

the search was meant to be a minor plot device? It was the driving force of the entire movie on both sides... until the last act. Rey, Han and Finn were trying to get the map to the resistance and the First Order was tracking them through the galaxy to get the map. How is that a minor plot device?
 

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the search was meant to be a minor plot device? It was the driving force of the entire movie on both sides... until the last act. Rey, Han and Finn were trying to get the map to the resistance and the First Order was tracking them through the galaxy to get the map. How is that a minor plot device?


Yes it was minor. It was used as a catalyst to bring heroes together and to setup the future movies. The overall arch was really about the Dark forces rising again and establishing that the galaxy is need of heroes once again.
 
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well, then I guess I'm either "crazy" or a liar, in your opinion. Or you can go back in this thread and see that I thought Han was going to die MONTHS ago (go check page 30 of this thread where I called his death back in April) and you know how I knew that? A) There was no way he was going to be in 3 movies B) Because I knew JJ would have to follow the letter of the law that he should never take risks and only do what's been done before... which was kill off the main mentor of the first episode. I thought it was stupid with Qui-Gon, who I never really cared about and the second it was revealed that Ren's father was Han and they had issues, it was obvious Han was a dead man. That really isn't that tough to figure out. Hell, there was an entire scene where Snoke was questioned whether or not Ren had what it takes when it comes to moment of truth. As the movie hummed along, that was obviously going to be confronting his father. Doesn't take someone inside the production to put two and two together there. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't make me crazy or a liar.
Never called you directly crazy or a liar. It was just speculation until the movie was released. You could have been as equally wrong.
 

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Lots of cool Easter eggs.

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Never called you directly crazy or a liar. It was just speculation until the movie was released. You could have been as equally wrong.

Your exact words, in a response to me, were anyone who saw that thing coming is crazy and couldn't possibly know it was coming. Thus, I'm either crazy or I'm a liar.

And I could have been wrong... But I was t and it didn't take being involved in the production to figure out what was coming.
 

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Yes it was minor. It was used as a catalyst to bring heroes together and to setup the future movies. The overall arch was really about the Dark forces rising again and establishing that the galaxy is need of heroes once again.

What you just described isn't a plot. And that's my biggest problem with the movie.
 

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IMO the story is about Rey and Ren. Everyone else is ancillary, I don't really care if it was formulaic. The characters were great, it had really funny parts it had parts that gave you goose bumps. Getting this worked up over a McGuffin in the opening act of a sci-fi/fantasy movie... I feel like you're being really overly critical.
 

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Your exact words, in a response to me, were anyone who saw that thing coming is crazy and couldn't possibly know it was coming. Thus, I'm either crazy or I'm a liar.

And I could have been wrong... But I was t and it didn't take being involved in the production to figure out what was coming.
I've seen plenty of comments on the interwebs of ppl saying they knew it was coming.

Dude it's all in jest anyways. R-E-L-A-X.
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Probably because it was so predictable. :D

Bingo. This, and about five other major moments, I told my friend would happen about five minutes before it happened. He was amazed (somehow) that I was predicting everything. I mean, stuff was just obviously going to happen.

As for it being the best? I cannot stop laughing. That's not an opinion I can even seriously entertain. Sorry. I mean, considering it's basically the ANH and Empire smashed into one movie, it can't possibly be better than either one. Better than ROTJ? Maybe, maybe.
 

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ANH was far from a perfect movie. I'm all for honoring the OT but let's not act like those movies had rock solid plot lines without any holes.

Saw it for a 3rd time, still loved it. No apologies :)

I loved the score of the film Zeno. I loved how subtle it was at times, like when Rey and Leia hug at the end and kindof share a silent moment for Han, they quietly played Han and Leias theme, one last time. :(

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there's pretty much only a tiny minority that doesn't think Rey is Luke's kid, right?
 

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there's pretty much only a tiny minority that doesn't think Rey is Luke's kid, right?

Well, the words of Maz made me wonder about that.

"I see your eyes, you know that the people you are waiting for are never coming back... But there is still one that could.."

Rey "Luke?"

Didn't seem like she was saying he is her father, maybe, I really dont know.

Cousins maybe! lol I mean for all we know, Vader was a pimp and has babymamas scattered all over the galaxy. Little force babies be poppin up all over the place. ;)

In other news Vader is wanted in 5 quadrants for unpaid child support.
 
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What you just described isn't a plot. And that's my biggest problem with the movie.


No but they are plot devices. To further make my point......interview Lucas gave about the movies:

"You see the echo of where it is all gonna go. It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme."

Seriously it's hard to complain about repetition of any kind when the very foundation is suppose to do just that.
 

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No but they are plot devices. To further make my point......interview Lucas gave about the movies:

"You see the echo of where it is all gonna go. It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme."

Seriously it's hard to complain about repetition of any kind when the very foundation is suppose to do just that.

Repetition, as in one shadowing another, is one thing, and is fine; cheap recycling is quite another. I think Abrams managed to wedge this movie in between. I liked the movie and was just able to give it enough of a pass on the recycling front.
 

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Repetition, as in one shadowing another, is one thing, and is fine; cheap recycling is quite another. I think Abrams managed to wedge this movie in between. I liked the movie and was just able to give it enough of a pass on the recycling front.

Lots of recycling:

Force Awakens = A New Hope

Starkiller Base = Death Star

General Hux = Grand Moff Tarkin
Snoke = Emperor
Kylo Ren = Darth Vader

Rey = Luke (desert orphan, future Jedi)
Finn = Leia (Former First Order Member, Former Imperial Senate Member)
BB-8 = R2-D2
Han = Obi Wan (older guide to the greater universe)
Poe Dameron = Han Solo (hotshot pilot and coolest guy ever)
Chewbacca = Chewbacca :D
Luke Skywalker = Yoda

That being said, there is a certain beauty to the same story repeating in new ways over and over, if that is one's perspective of how the universe works. I am still upset about certain elements, but I will grant that this is a solid foundation for what could eventually become the best trilogy of the bunch. I guess I need to go see it again just to make sure.
 

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