Steve Nash trade thread

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I think out of the whole NBA, Suns fans hate Sarver more than any other teams' fans hate their owner.

Why cant he just sell the team to the NBA like New Orleans did??!!!
 

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I think out of the whole NBA, Suns fans hate Sarver more than any other teams' fans hate their owner.

Why cant he just sell the team to the NBA like New Orleans did??!!!

Sterling??? So Cal and San Diego fans might vote otherwise. I think Sarver is hated by message board fans and sports talk radio listeners but I'm not sure the rest of the general public is as disapproving. Sterling's 20 year mistreatment of the casual fan has probably driven many of them beyond hate to something closer to apathy but I'm sure he still wins in this category. Either way, though, it doesn't matter much because Sarver is clearly in the running.

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We went from the most talented team (not the best atm though), with the most stocked future 1st round draft picks in the league to what we are because of $arver in a few short years. We didn't get here because $arver made mistakes because we were trying to get better, or taking a shot and getting a better older player for some youth for a run....no we got here because of $arver's other occupation philosophy took us here. Unless that changes, we better hit the lottery, and still luck out, and then some, or we'll be a perennial bottom feeder who occasionally reaches 7th-8th seed status once or twice a decade or until $arver is forced to sell WHEN his bank goes under.

So either we get lucky, or $arver changes his coddled bankster idiotic mentality, or we suck. Now if our GM can make gold bars out of lemons, despite $arver, we might have a chance, but that's a big if, and not something I'd want to put money down on happening....because it rarely happens.

As for Nash, as much as I love his play, it's over. We won't be any good next year, and we don't have cap space (nor the owner willing to if we had) to fork over for a couple of max contract guys...if there are any that are worth it and fit our style to make a run in the next year or two.

We either try to hold onto 8-12th in the west next year, if nash and gortat hold up, or we take a big swing at a Nolan Ryan fastball with a little leaguer at the plate and hope for the best.

Letting Nash retire here gives us no chance, and trading him gives one chance to alter our Clipper-esque bound future.

If we still had talent, if we held onto our picks, if we hadn't lowballed some players, had sophistry and short term thinking and instant gratification and leak patching not been employed by $arver (in tried and true bankster fashion) we COULD have taken the hit of Nash retiring here and gone for championships or at least contended. Now, thanks to $arver, we can't.

3-way deal with Wolves for Rubio and expiring filler (if any)? I love Rubio's game, and that's the guy I want. Other than him...

Try to swing deals involving (no order); Stephen Curry, Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, Rodney Stuckey, Tyreke Evans, Andre Bargnani, Roy Hibbert, Chase Budinger, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Wesley Matthews, Darren Collison, Jrue Holliday, Al Jefferson, Eric Gordon, John Wall, Mike Conley, Deron Williams, Derrick Favors, Rajon Rondo, JaVale McGee, D.J. Augustine, Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe, Danillo Gallinari, J.J. Hickson, Brook Lopez, Roy, Monta Ellis, Nicolas Batum, Jeff Green, Brandon Jennings, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Paul, Noah, Kevin Love, Dorell Wright, Evan Turner, Blake Griffin (only because it's the clippers), Paul Milsap, Luol Deng, Wilson Chandler, and Michael Beasely. I'll leave to others to do the trade scenarios and salary cap fitting.

I'm not saying these guys would be great fits (the 1.4 quadrillion dollar question), but these are the guys I would be looking at potentially. That's most of the 'young' pool. (and remember, guys that might seem like they wouldn't be traded this year, might not be next year, or the offseason after that) I don't know what combination of guys we need to pickup of the above list would do the job, what combo would do it first, what combo would it ultimately the best, but there is significant talent on this list, and some of them will be available sometime, if they're not already.

The sad thing is, there's all these players, and we don't have any. :(

Oh yeah. Isn't it funny how $arvers Fire $ales include some of the above players? Of course not. Now we get to sell low and buy high. Like Gortat.

Can Oklahoma keep all the talent they have? Hard to say. But I'd love to pick off one or two of their young studs.

If Bynum could ever get past his injuries, and I wonder what the Suns medical staff thinks about him and his injuries, perhaps him off the scrap heap as well. But only if I liked what the medical staff said and/or close to minimum salary. Ditto Greg Oden.

Oh yeah and look for Hedo Turkoglu...his hustle, his athleticism......just kidding.

We all know we're not getting Rose, Howard, Melo, LeNero (I wouldn't want him), but if we could pry any of the above list (and there are a few others if you want slightly older players), and hopefully sign some max guys (or similar QUALITY) before we have to resign these we'd get through trades, we could have a chance. There's lots of young talent out there, even a glut, and the NBA will be turned upside down soon enough as the young players have already in most cases equaled their aging brethren, with many years to surpass ahead (it won't be many years). An asymmetrical shift is occurring, and it will be funny if the LeNero Heat can even keep up well before their 'south beach' contracts end. Will $arver act? Can he persuade NBA players like banksters sell fraudulent crap in droves? We'll see. Is it Lon Babby, or Lon Baby? We'll find out. But you can't squeeze blood from a turnip, and Pennywise, pound foolish $arver will probably screw it up, if he doesn't change the whole way he approaches running the Suns, and what metrics he judges success by.

Or else get ready for more 'be a part of remembering the past glory' advertising campaigns the next decade or so...because we sure in the hell won't have anything in the present to sell the product on. Remember Colangelo's...err...the Suns legacy and hope people don't figure out the difference.
 

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Sterling??? So Cal and San Diego fans might vote otherwise. I think Sarver is hated by message board fans and sports talk radio listeners but I'm not sure the rest of the general public is as disapproving. Sterling's 20 year mistreatment of the casual fan has probably driven many of them beyond hate to something closer to apathy but I'm sure he still wins in this category. Either way, though, it doesn't matter much because Sarver is clearly in the running.

Steve

Yea but right now they seem to be making all the right moves. Got a superstar in Griffin, good role players in Gordon & Kaman. Not to mention they rid of Baron Davis at the cost of just 1 lottery pick. As soon as they fire Del Negro and hire a real coach, that team will be dangerous.

Right now I think Clipper fans are a lot more satisfied with Sterling than we are with Sarver.
 

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Yea but right now they seem to be making all the right moves. Got a superstar in Griffin, good role players in Gordon & Kaman. Not to mention they rid of Baron Davis at the cost of just 1 lottery pick. As soon as they fire Del Negro and hire a real coach, that team will be dangerous.

Right now I think Clipper fans are a lot more satisfied with Sterling than we are with Sarver.

I doubt it. I think they are justifiably a lot more excited about the future of their players than we are but they have enough history behind them to realize that chances are, the up and coming Clipper of today is soon to be the free agent that gets away tomorrow.

I'll bet the Davis deal has a few Clippers fans upset also. I'm not a Baron Davis fan, he's very talented but I think in the long run he will just break your heart. However, he was playing pretty well and except for that stretch where they lost Gordon, that team was really showing signs of coming together. Replacing him with the Cavs guard has to be a nightmare for Griffin.

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I doubt it. I think they are justifiably a lot more excited about the future of their players than we are but they have enough history behind them to realize that chances are, the up and coming Clipper of today is soon to be the free agent that gets away tomorrow.

I'll bet the Davis deal has a few Clippers fans upset also. I'm not a Baron Davis fan, he's very talented but I think in the long run he will just break your heart. However, he was playing pretty well and except for that stretch where they lost Gordon, that team was really showing signs of coming together. Replacing him with the Cavs guard has to be a nightmare for Griffin.

Steve

This post is exactly on target. First, Sterling is far and away the worst. They should have kept BD to help Griffin. Typical Clipper front office fashion, though...they're already trying to screw it up.
 

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^^ yup and it is the Baron Davis led Cavs that beat the Heat. Why Clippers would replace him with Mo Williams when they were beginning to play well is beyond me. It was a stupid move.
 

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Baron Davis HAD to be traded.


He did not even play half as good as he should with the money he's making. Clippers now are out of all bad contracts, and have two young cornerstones in Gordon & Griffin. When CP3/D-Will become free agents, the Clippers would definitely have to be among the top choices.
 

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I wouldn't use this Suns team photo as inducement to other teams wanting to trade for Steve.

The way the photo was taken, Steve looks like the towel boy on the varsity team.
 

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I wouldn't use this Suns team photo as inducement to other teams wanting to trade for Steve.

The way the photo was taken, Steve looks like the towel boy on the varsity team.
Who's that between Dudley and Frye?
 
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So Steve wants to play 2-3 more years. And he wants to play on the Suns.

2-3 more years is good. It makes him more marketable. Steve, you might want to play here, but we have to rebuild and you are our best trading piece.
 

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I'd trade Nash or Nash and Lopez for Calderon and Toronto's pick (if it isn't top 3 maybe Bayless) or Demar Derozan.
 

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I'd trade Nash or Nash and Lopez for Calderon and Toronto's pick (if it isn't top 3 maybe Bayless) or Demar Derozan.

YOU'D trade that but it's beyond stupid to think they would do the same.
 
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Its always extremes. People that think he's worth more than he is, and those who tell everyone their trade ideas are stupid and he's not worth a plugged nickel to anyone.
 

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The next 3 seasons are the seasons to tank..

2012 Draft will be better than usual. Maybe top in the top 5 picks but with players like Barnes, Jones, Sullinger and Lamb going back to school the lottery will be deep.

If the age limit is gone in the new CBA (who knows) the draft will be the best ever.

2013 Draft got some highschool phenoms in it..
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Steve Nash to the Clippers for their 2012 Minnesota pick and Bledsoe as the cornerstones of a trade, would you like that?

Nash would make the Clippers a threat for the #1 seed and the Clippers are probably the most irrelevant team to Suns fans. So we could root for Nash still.

Minnesota is definitely going to be a lottery team in my mind, so we would look at 2 high lottery picks in 2012.
 
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Steve Nash to the Clippers for their 2012 Minnesota pick and Bledsoe as the cornerstones of a trade, would you like that?

Nash would make the Clippers a threat for the #1 seed and the Clippers are probably the most irrelevant team to Suns fans. So we could root for Nash still.

Minnesota is definitely going to be a lottery team in my mind, so we would look at 2 high lottery picks in 2012.

the Clippers might actually be dumb enough to do that.
 

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I don't really see how that is dumb for the Clippers.

Mo Williams is just terrible. It's not like they need more young guys on their team and Nash/Gordon/Aminu/Griffin/Jordan and Kaman plus whatever upgrade they could get at SF, should be easy to find, cough Grant Hill, would definitely be a top 3 team in the West for the next 2 years.

I think the Clippers would maybe even throw in something more. Maybe they would ask us to take a contract in return who knows.

We would have max capspace if we buy out Carter but there is nobody worth spending it on. So trade Carter to take on money and get compensated with picks and we could also use our caproom to take on a bad contract.
 
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I don't really see how that is dumb for the Clippers.

Mo Williams is just terrible. It's not like they need more young guys on their team and Nash/Gordon/Aminu/Griffin/Jordan and Kaman plus whatever upgrade they could get at SF, should be easy to find, cough Grant Hill, would definitely be a top 3 team in the West for the next 2 years.

I think the Clippers would maybe even throw in something more. Maybe they would ask us to take a contract in return who knows.

We would have max capspace if we buy out Carter but there is nobody worth spending it on. So trade Carter to take on money and get compensated with picks and we could also use our caproom to take on a bad contract.

Your reasoning on this one is impeccable. Nash would be just the veteran presence to pull that team together. I think Nash would enjoy playing with Griffin et al, and the Nash/Griffin combo would create quite a stir in LA.

Win/win
 

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the Clippers might actually be dumb enough to do that.

I'd be all about it, the Clips would be amazingly fun to watch. Can you imagine what Nash could do with that talent around him? I like it Slin, best idea you've had in awhile!
 

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Your reasoning on this one is impeccable. Nash would be just the veteran presence to pull that team together. I think Nash would enjoy playing with Griffin et al, and the Nash/Griffin combo would create quite a stir in LA.

Win/win

Plus Nash is into the whole LA film scene, and Sterling could have a show that rivals the Lake Show.
 
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