Cheesewater
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I would hope Steve Nash is too smart to go to the Clippers.
Steve Nash trade thread
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my biggest fear here is that the Suns would never trade him to the Clippers for fear of how it would look... not realizing that it would probably make that team A HELL of a lot better... and we'd probably not be smart enough to demand the Minnesota pick and instead get the Clippers... which would then be a mid-late first rounder.
trust me, living in LA, there's nothing more I'd rather see than Steve Nash balling with Gordon/Griffin, while watching us be horrendous and getting a great pick next year... to go along with a great pick from Minnesota... in what will be potentially a FANTASTIC draft.
trust me, living in LA, there's nothing more I'd rather see than Steve Nash balling with Gordon/Griffin, while watching us be horrendous and getting a great pick next year... to go along with a great pick from Minnesota... in what will be potentially a FANTASTIC draft.
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and this is EXACTLY what I fear the Suns would think.
Cheese, do you not realize how much talent is on that Clippers team and how much Nash wants to be a part of the film/tv industry?
Nash
Gordon
(three point shooter)
Griffin
Jordan/Kaman
with Amino, Williams off the bench...
that's a pretty solid team... one which has MUCH more potential to be good than the mess that this team currently is.
really, Gordon = JJ and Griffin = Amare... your basically setting the clock back about 7 years and re-introducing Nash to the 2004 Suns team he went to.
That and he wouldn't have move clear cross the country.
that's an everyone wins scenario.
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I think everyone is overrating the 2012 draft's depth. There will be Sully, Barnes, Perry Jones, etc. but the new CBA will inevitably include a two year out of HS/age limit so none of the guys entering college in 2011 will be available. Although trading Stevie almost inevitably gets us one of the above mentioned named hopefully Barnes as we will be that horrendous.
2012 Minny pick and Bledsoe for Nash almost makes too much sense for both parties.
2012 Minny pick and Bledsoe for Nash almost makes too much sense for both parties.
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Jordan/Kaman
Griffin
Hill/Aminu
Gordon
Nash/Williams
On paper that looks like a team that can realistically win the West.
Griffin
Hill/Aminu
Gordon
Nash/Williams
On paper that looks like a team that can realistically win the West.
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Meh, not a Gordon fan. But the Clippers have 2 legit centers also and a backup PG in Williams.
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defensively, they're probably not good enough, but if Nash is healthy, they can realistically be a 4 seed, easy.
Cheesewater
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Good points...but are we forgetting the history of that franchise and it's owner? They just do not want to win for whatever reason. That would have to be on Steve's mind. He's good friends with Baron Davis...
In addition, Steve Nash can be part of the film/tv industry without living in Los Angeles.
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With the Clips looking at getting out of Kamans deal, I could see maybe Nash, Lopez and Grant to Clips for 2012 Minny Pick, Bledsoe, Aminu, and Kaman (who would be our 4 next to Gortat)
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no, not forgetting about the owner, but there's really only so much he can mess up with that team and for one year, Nash could have a great time there. then, if Sterling does look like he's going to F it up, Nash will be a FA next season anyway and then he can go where ever he wants.
and it's much easier being a part of the film/industry if you're in LA then if you're not.
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That would be the slowest frontcourt in the history of the NBA possibly.
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Well apparently Clippers fans think that Minnesota pick is worth Dwight Howard and they wouldn't trade it for Dwight if it was the #1 pick and only trade it after the lottery is set. 
Or that that deal would only be fair if this was 2004. (Of course they could offer 3 unprotected lottery picks and nobody would trade them a perennial MVP candidate for that)
Not considering that 2012 draft could be the weakest ever if the age limit is increased to 20 and that Minnesota might not even be in the bottom 5 next year and even then that a top 5 pick could be a bust.
Ray Allen was traded for #5 Jeff Green
Elton Brand was traded for #3 or #2? Tyson Chandler
Antawn Jamison was traded for #5? Devin Harris
Steve Nash might be old and only have 2 more years left in him but he is better than any of those 3 players were still.
Or that that deal would only be fair if this was 2004. (Of course they could offer 3 unprotected lottery picks and nobody would trade them a perennial MVP candidate for that)
Not considering that 2012 draft could be the weakest ever if the age limit is increased to 20 and that Minnesota might not even be in the bottom 5 next year and even then that a top 5 pick could be a bust.
Ray Allen was traded for #5 Jeff Green
Elton Brand was traded for #3 or #2? Tyson Chandler
Antawn Jamison was traded for #5? Devin Harris
Steve Nash might be old and only have 2 more years left in him but he is better than any of those 3 players were still.
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yeah... this I don't buy. Nash is 37, wore down the second half of last year and looked just flat out bad the second half of this year. Ray Ray was only 32 and in great shape... Brand was what... a 23 year old 20/10/3 assists and 1.6 blocks guy? No way is Nash in his current state anywhere close to that... and Jamison maybe you have an argument, but even at that time, he was only 25 and a 22 ppg scorer.
The idea that Nash at 37 and breaking down in the second half in back to back years is as valuable as a 32 year old Ray Allen who was coming off 5 straight seasons of 25 ppg and a 23 year old 20/10/3/1.6 Brand doesn't hold much water IMO.
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Ray wasn't in great shape at the time of the trade. If I remember right Ray Allen had some serious injury concerns at the time with his ankle or something, he missed like 30 games in the season before he was traded.
Steve Nash might have broken down a little at the end of the season but you could also attribute that to the lack of talent around him. Overall his season was still nearly as good as his MVP seasons on an individual level.
The thing is there is not even a guarantee that the Minnesota pick will be in the top 5 and neither that the 2012 draft will be that strong.
Jamison was 28 when he was traded for Devin Harris, averaged 29mpg and was a bench player. Averaged 15ppg.
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this is written like someone who didn't watch a single minute of the Suns the second half of the season. He just looked AWFUL... and wasn't it you who made the comment that Carter wasn't "that bad" with us? now considering we had a major upgrade at C and Carter wasn't that bad at SG, how was our talent level worse the second half of the season than it was the first which you try to make the argument attributed to Nash's breaking down... as opposed to... you know... his actual body breaking down... just as it did last season when he had a ton of talent around him?
overall his season was still nearly as good as his MVP seasons... good lord.
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oh yeah... was thinking of the trade between Dallas and GS, not Dallas and Washington.
and like I said, you could make that argument and I wouldn't have much a problem with it. but even then, you're talking about a 28 year old, who's scoring was what it was because Dallas had a glut of talent and was one year removed from being a dynamic scorer who was still in the prime of his career as opposed to Nash who's ancient and broke down the last two years running where his stats fell of a cliff in the second half of both seasons.
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Well apparently Clippers fans think that Minnesota pick is worth Dwight Howard and they wouldn't trade it for Dwight if it was the #1 pick and only trade it after the lottery is set.
Of course they think that. They are Clippers fans. Once Nash starts playing for them, they would think that trade is a steal on their part.
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I never thought that the Suns were a playoff team at any point of this season and I never thought we were better after the trade either. Our record was worse than it was before the trade.
I was not surprised that Carter was inconsistent after the trade. Jason Richardson needed about the entire season after he was traded for us before he stopped having single digit scoring games every other game.
3 months after the J-Rich trade people on here were saying how hard that trade sucked and how much they would want Raja Bell back instead of J-Rich although Bell was seriously injured.
Ive thought about Nash to LAC for a while, I think it would be a good move for both organizations. The Suns just need to start loading up on draft picks and get as many as they can. Follow OKCs model, eventually/hopefully you'll get a high one and land a Durant sort of player.
The biggest problem with LAC is Del Negro as the Coach, I think he's probably the worst Coach in the league. Someone in that organization would have to try to convince Sterling to shell out the money to can Vinny and bring in a real Coach who can coach an uptempo team and use Nash and those weapons properly.
Luckily for LAC, Mark Iavaroni is sitting on their bench and I'm sure would love a 2nd chance at a Head gig since he had such a talentless squad in Memphis. He's already got a relationship w/ Nash to some degree and he could certainly use Nash properly.
The biggest problem with LAC is Del Negro as the Coach, I think he's probably the worst Coach in the league. Someone in that organization would have to try to convince Sterling to shell out the money to can Vinny and bring in a real Coach who can coach an uptempo team and use Nash and those weapons properly.
Luckily for LAC, Mark Iavaroni is sitting on their bench and I'm sure would love a 2nd chance at a Head gig since he had such a talentless squad in Memphis. He's already got a relationship w/ Nash to some degree and he could certainly use Nash properly.
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Might have . . . broken down . . . a little . . . end of the season.
I said that out loud, but it sounded more like, "Steve Nash deteriorated during the second half of the past two seasons (even with an offense designed for him), but I just can't quite bring myself to say it."
Slin, it's time to say it. It ain't gonna get any better next season.
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Uh how many times did I say this?
I am like the biggest supporter of finally blowing up this team.
Still Nash had a great season individually. A team like the Clippers that already found their franchise player via draft and has young studs at other positions doesn't need to take more chances in the draft, they need to surround the young guys they have with players that can play right now. That is my opinion though and I don't think they could get a better player for that pick than what Steve Nash can give them for 2-3 more years until he is 40.
Unfortunately I chatted with Paul Coro about this and he basically said that it is extremely unlikely that the Suns trade Steve Nash.
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It's hard to disagree with Paul Coro's logic on the Suns not trading Nash. The Suns need to get a SG and a quality PF somewhere and hope Nash has a couple of seasons left in him. Giving Nash away for next to nothing does not make sense.
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The Suns would need a SG and PF that are borderline allstars to get back into the playoff picture if you ask me. They don't even have assets to acquire abover average players at the positions unless they take on massive salary and players another team wants to dump.
I don't think Coro's argument are all that logical. I know for a fact that many fans do not want to see another season like this and would be more interested in a rebuilding team even if they don't win many games.
I also don't see the whole respect Nash thing. Did New York keep Ewing? Did Houston keep Olajuwon?
I am also not sure how the lockout is an argument to keep Nash? A lockout would mean a shorter NBA season, it is better to lose a short season than a full season while tanking. A lockout means Nash gets older without giving the team a return on the court.
