Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

[KloD]

Even if he informed Detroit of the intent, it's still not valid until he signs. Anything can happen until then, including his changing his mind.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

 

[sunsfan88]

Even if he informed Detroit of the intent, it's still not valid until he signs. Anything can happen until then, including his changing his mind.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

I'm not an expert on this and I could easily be wrong but I think its basically a verbal agreement. It would be like Isaiah Thomas agreeing to a contract with the Suns before July 9th (the date contracts can be signed officially) and then backing out before that date because something else happened. Or the Suns pulling the offer before July 9th.

You don't see it happen very often or at all. Once they agree to it verbally, its basically done.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not an expert on this and I could easily be wrong but I think its basically a verbal agreement. It would be like Isaiah Thomas agreeing to a contract with the Suns before July 9th (the date contracts can be signed officially) and then backing out before that date because something else happened. Or the Suns pulling the offer before July 9th.

You don't see it happen very often or at all. Once they agree to it verbally, its basically done.

I'm no expert either but I don't think it's the same thing. Mostly because I don't think there'd be the backlash that would normally happen when you fail to honor an oral agreement. It's not like Detroit is jumping for joy, they'd like to sign him to a long term contract or move him for quality assets.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

USA Today (credible source) reported that Monroe has told the Pistons that he's taking their QO.

"Anonymous" sources reporting his intent isn't Monroe signing the QO.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm no expert either but I don't think it's the same thing. Mostly because I don't think there'd be the backlash that would normally happen when you fail to honor an oral agreement. It's not like Detroit is jumping for joy, they'd like to sign him to a long term contract or move him for quality assets.

Steve

Your right, it could be like that.

"Anonymous" sources reporting his intent isn't Monroe signing the QO.

USA Today probably has better sources than anyone else. I highly doubt they would flat out say that Monroe has told the Pistons he's taking the QO if he hasn't done it yet.

It's one thing if they said "Monroe's interested in taking the QO" or "Monroe is getting close to taking the QO".

But they didn't. They said for sure he's informed them he's taking it and that means just that. This isn't some guy on a forum breaking news or an ESPN hack like Broussard throwing dirt at the wall to see what sticks.

 

[chickenhead]

It should also be mentioned that if he does take the QO for next season, he is afforded the right to deny any trade. So the Suns aren't only limited to trading him to a team he wants to play for, they are also limited in what they can get back due to the low salary he will be making. The Suns will retain the ability to pay him more than anyone else, but that seems like a waste since his going that route pretty much says he doesn't want to play for the team. So if he does make that choice, he is screwing the Suns. That has to play into how they use him next year. Do they play him a lot and not worry about injury, or do they bench him for not being mentally on the team?

Good points. I would guess that if Bledsoe takes the QO, he'll want the time because it's a contract year; he'll get the playing time the Suns feel helps the team, and the team will try to move him by the deadline.

But it could be tricky. Because of the salary matching, is the most likely trade partner a team that's bad enough to deal a decent draft pick, but attractive enough that Bledsoe would want to extend there? Say, the Lakers 2016 first rounder; or the Celtics 2015 first-rounder they got from the Clippers if they move Rondo this year. Just throwing those out there--I'm no trade/cap expert.

 

[JS22]

I still think a question that hasn't adequately been answered is how Bledsoe fits into our plans if he takes the QO. He will be in a place where he will have to play for his next contract, but if he has burned bridges by taking this route, what possible motivation do we have to play him like a star? If we know he isn't going to be part of our future, why bother playing him at all? He's making the choice.

Now I know the Suns organization aren't a bunch of jerks and probably won't deliberately limit his minutes, but I think it's an intriguing question. This isn't some end-of-the-bench guy who we don't care about. I just don't see the motivation by the Suns to play a guy who doesn't give a damn about being on the team.

It's an interesting situation. I'm sure many people would want the Suns to just "sit his ass and the end of the bench." That's a fun thought, but it will never happen. I'm guessing he'd get just as many minutes as normal (maybe a little less now that Thomas on the roster) and bolt at the end of the year.

For a team that thrived on chemistry it's going to be interesting if Bledsoe takes the QO.

 

[devilalum]

Let's say that Bledsoe rolls the dice and plays for the QO. Doing that says loud and clear that he has no desire to play here any longer than he has to. So if you're the Suns and you know he's totally playing for himself and not the team, how much do you play him? How do his teammates react to him knowing that he wants to be somewhere else? Hopefully we won't have to find out.

On one hand you play the players that give you the best opportunity to win. On the other hand you play the players that are going to be around when you're contending for a higher playoff seed. If Bledsoe is just a one year rental I could see the Suns giving some of his minutes to a player like Goodwin or Ennis. They have to act in the teams best interest short and long term.

If he signs the QO its gonna be a dark cloud hanging over the team all year.

 

[chickenhead]

I wonder how much chemistry will be affected. Many of the players will be wanting to sign big contracts themselves, and maybe there's a little more solidarity in that regard. Plus players like Ennis and Thomas may be just fine with the idea of Bledsoe being a lame duck.

But there's still the chance that Bledsoe plays well, they make a playoff run, the money is there, and he signs with the Suns.

 

[elindholm]

If Bledsoe takes the one-year and agrees to a trade, his new team would not have his Bird rights, so he'd basically be a UFA again (Coon's FAQ #100). Taking the one-year does not provide him with any flexibility; all it does is push this process back a year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your right, it could be like that.


USA Today probably has better sources than anyone else. I highly doubt they would flat out say that Monroe has told the Pistons he's taking the QO if he hasn't done it yet.

It's one thing if they said "Monroe's interested in taking the QO" or "Monroe is getting close to taking the QO".

But they didn't. They said for sure he's informed them he's taking it and that means just that. This isn't some guy on a forum breaking news or an ESPN hack like Broussard throwing dirt at the wall to see what sticks.

and yet a day later, all we've seen is Van Gundy say he's heard nothing about this and Monroe has yet to sign the QO. In other words... nothing has happened to substantiate this report.

 

[TJ]

Who else is numb to this situation?

Quite frankly, I don't care anymore. Bledsoe and/or his agent are morons.

 

[chickenhead]

If Bledsoe takes the one-year and agrees to a trade, his new team would not have his Bird rights, so he'd basically be a UFA again (Coon's FAQ #100). Taking the one-year does not provide him with any flexibility; all it does is push this process back a year.

Thanks for the clarification! So then the likely trade partner is someone viewing him as a deadline rental, who may have a hope to re-sign him, but that's it? If so, barring a cheap player they really want for some reason, the Suns might as well keep him for their own playoff run and hope he considers re-signing?

 

[82CardsGrad]

and yet a day later, all we've seen is Van Gundy say he's heard nothing about this and Monroe has yet to sign the QO. In other words... nothing has happened to substantiate this report.

Additionally, it was being reported yesterday that Monroe stated on multiple occasions that he never actually received the offers from the Pistons that have been reported in the media! Very confusing to say the least...

 

[Chaz]

Who else is numb to this situation?

Quite frankly, I don't care anymore. Bledsoe and/or his agent are morons.

co-sign

All the stupid news articles stating the same stupid speculation over and over is annoying. Until he signs or camp starts I don't much care anymore.

 

[Cheesebeef]

co-sign

All the stupid news articles stating the same stupid speculation over and over is annoying. Until he signs or camp starts I don't much care anymore.

co-co-sign. wake me when some kind of contract is signed.

 

[82CardsGrad]

co-co-sign. wake me when some kind of contract is signed.

Tri-Cosign...

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Who else is numb to this situation?

Quite frankly, I don't care anymore. Bledsoe and/or his agent are morons.

Agreed, at this point it is just fascinating that we have almost 750 posts with so little progress on his contract. If Bledsoe's agent had this much communication, he would have signed months ago.

 

[TRW]

Coming to a theater near you:

"The Thread That Wouldn't Die!"

LOL

Can't wait until a year from now when this is bumped by someone when he becomes a free agent after signing the QO.

Or, even worse, he signs the QO, has a sucky year and THEN someone bumps this thread to complain he's here for three more years.

Either way, it'll be baaaaackkkk!

I also don't care much any more. Whatever they do I am sick of Bledsoe and his agent.

 

[TJ]

Who else is numb to this situation?

Quite frankly, I don't care anymore. Bledsoe and/or his agent are morons.

co-co-sign. wake me when some kind of contract is signed.

co-sign

All the stupid news articles stating the same stupid speculation over and over is annoying. Until he signs or camp starts I don't much care anymore.

Tri-Cosign...

Agreed, at this point it is just fascinating that we have almost 750 posts with so little progress on his contract. If Bledsoe's agent had this much communication, he would have signed months ago.

Should we start a petition and send it to Sarver and the Bledsoe camp?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Should we start a petition and send it to Sarver and the Bledsoe camp?

pretty sure we just need to stop checking this thread.

 

[TJ]

pretty sure we just need to stop checking this thread.

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[Azlen]

Thanks for the clarification! So then the likely trade partner is someone viewing him as a deadline rental, who may have a hope to re-sign him, but that's it? If so, barring a cheap player they really want for some reason, the Suns might as well keep him for their own playoff run and hope he considers re-signing?

If he's playing under a QO then he has the right to void any trade. He has to be okay with wherever it is he gets traded to which would limit the Suns options for trading him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If he's playing under a QO then he has the right to void any trade. He has to be okay with wherever it is he gets traded to which would limit the Suns options for trading him.

this is true, but the above pretty much goes for any guy about to be a FA anyway. Most teams aren't going to give up valuable pieces for a six month rental (see the Lakers idiocy with Gasol and our reluctance to sweeten the deal for proof of that).

 

[Phrazbit]

If he's playing under a QO then he has the right to void any trade. He has to be okay with wherever it is he gets traded to which would limit the Suns options for trading him.

And the options are pretty limitted from his end to, because even if there is some team he'd really want to get traded to, that team would need to have enough cap space next season to offer him a max deal as though he was not their free agent.

That line about a team who trades for him not getting his Bird Rights really complicates things for him. He would pretty much be forced to ride it out here on a crap one year deal and pray he stays healthy.

Unless Paul is dumber than even we are giving him credit for, Bledsoe is going to have to work out some sort of contract with the Suns.