Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

[Griffin]

Another thought. Might Bledsoe try to do a two year contract similar to Lebron since they have the same agent with an opt out after one year?

He may very well try, but it would be foolish for the Suns to offer such a deal. If you are going to lose him after one year without compensation, might as well force him to take the qualifying offer.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I would be surprised if Bledsoe is considering the qualifying offer... But if he is, why not try to negotiate a 2 year deal at $12-$13 million per?


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[Mainstreet]

My opinion only, but the Suns need to sign and trade Bledsoe if he thinks he is the sun, the moon and the stars.

 

[82CardsGrad]

My opinion only, but the Suns need to sign and trade Bledsoe if he thinks he is the sun, the moon and the stars.

Sign him at what? If they cave and sign him to a Max, what other team will take that contract??


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[Mainstreet]

Sign him at what? If they cave and sign him to a Max, what other team will take that contract??

Let his agent find a team that will give him an offer sheet. It may not be a max offer sheet but he can move on. Maybe the Suns should work a trade for disgruntled players, Bledsoe for Monroe. At least if the Suns are going to overpay, let it be for a big.

 

[SirStefan32]

Let his agent find a team that will give him an offer sheet. It may not be a max offer sheet but he can move on. Maybe the Suns should work a trade for disgruntled players, Bledsoe for Monroe. At least if the Suns are going to overpay, let it be for a big.

I couldn't agree more. $16M for a PF/C averaging 15 and 9 is hell of a lot better than paying the same amount for an undersized shooting guard averaging 18 and 5, especially considering the Suns' roster. Don't get me wrong, I love Eric's defense, but not enough for a max contract.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Per an article by Chris Bernucca dated 7-18-14, Chris Sheridan thinks Bledsoe will take the qualifying offer and become a free agent. See link below.



http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/18/three-man-weave-western-conference-burning-questions/

That would really be rolling the dice for Bledsoe. I do not think that is good advice from the agent. Take a 1 year 6.5 million deal, when a 4 year, 48 million deal is on the table? That is a pretty big gamble to take with a player's money.

Contracts and circumstances change quickly in the NBA. I love Bledsoe, but if he had another knee injury and missed half the season next year, I don't think his next contract would approach 4/48. I understand the player feeling a little undervalued, but that is what agents are supposed to be there for. To be a cool head in a stressful situation. Bledsoe could continue to improve and deserve the max contract (a la Joe Johnson), but I think a path similar to Eric Gordon is also entirely possible. A lot of Bledsoe's value comes from his potential as a player. An injury or regression in his outside shooting could really hurt that value.

If his agent is just posturing to get the Suns to kick in another couple of million, he is playing it well. If he gets a 24-year old kid with two fairly serious knee injuries to reject 48 million and play on a one year deal, then I think he is gambling with other peoples' money.

 

[SirStefan32]

That would really be rolling the dice for Bledsoe. I do not think that is good advice from the agent. Take a 1 year 6.5 million deal, when a 4 year, 48 million deal is on the table? That is a pretty big gamble to take with a player's money.

Contracts and circumstances change quickly in the NBA. I love Bledsoe, but if he had another knee injury and missed half the season next year, I don't think his next contract would approach 4/48. I understand the player feeling a little undervalued, but that is what agents are supposed to be there for. To be a cool head in a stressful situation. Bledsoe could continue to improve and deserve the max contract (a la Joe Johnson), but I think a path similar to Eric Gordon is also entirely possible. A lot of Bledsoe's value comes from his potential as a player. An injury or regression in his outside shooting could really hurt that value.

If his agent is just posturing to get the Suns to kick in another couple of million, he is playing it well. If he gets a 24-year old kid with two fairly serious knee injuries to reject 48 million and play on a one year deal, then I think he is gambling with other peoples' money.

Not so sure about that. Babby is a former agent, and he has a history of not overpaying players (Beasley being the exception- no clue how Blanks convinced him to sign off on that). I don't think Babby is going to blink, especially with Thomas on such a great contract, and Dragic really wanting to be here (I am sure the Suns will get a hometown discount from Dragic next year.)

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's not really what I meant. He'll get minutes, but will he really be "the" point guard? The relationship between Bledsoe and Dragic was already unclear; now that Thomas has been added, there's even more room for confusion.

Bledsoe often sat on the bench for long stretches in the fourth quarter toward the end of last season; he was not reliably part of the closing lineup. Position him as a likely departing free agent, and I think the important occasions on which his number mysteriously doesn't get called will become even more frequent.

I have no idea what you're talking about. He played much of the third quarter and they typically rested him at the start of the 4th quarter so he'd be fresh because he was such a critical part of our closing lineup.

Steve

 

[splitsecond]

That would really be rolling the dice for Bledsoe. I do not think that is good advice from the agent. Take a 1 year 6.5 million deal, when a 4 year, 48 million deal is on the table? That is a pretty big gamble to take with a player's money.

Contracts and circumstances change quickly in the NBA. I love Bledsoe, but if he had another knee injury and missed half the season next year, I don't think his next contract would approach 4/48. I understand the player feeling a little undervalued, but that is what agents are supposed to be there for. To be a cool head in a stressful situation. Bledsoe could continue to improve and deserve the max contract (a la Joe Johnson), but I think a path similar to Eric Gordon is also entirely possible. A lot of Bledsoe's value comes from his potential as a player. An injury or regression in his outside shooting could really hurt that value.

If his agent is just posturing to get the Suns to kick in another couple of million, he is playing it well. If he gets a 24-year old kid with two fairly serious knee injuries to reject 48 million and play on a one year deal, then I think he is gambling with other peoples' money.

Well that is exactly the problem with Rich Paul. He did absolutely nothing to get where he is. He didn't put the time in to become educated and learn the trade the way all other agents do. Now, that being said he likely has a lot of natural talent that allowed him to do it, but at some point a person who has shirked the mainstream and done everything on their own like that is going to make a pompous decision that hurts a player's earnings due to his own arrogance. What does he have to lose?

 

[Mainstreet]

That would really be rolling the dice for Bledsoe. I do not think that is good advice from the agent. Take a 1 year 6.5 million deal, when a 4 year, 48 million deal is on the table? That is a pretty big gamble to take with a player's money.

Contracts and circumstances change quickly in the NBA. I love Bledsoe, but if he had another knee injury and missed half the season next year, I don't think his next contract would approach 4/48. I understand the player feeling a little undervalued, but that is what agents are supposed to be there for. To be a cool head in a stressful situation. Bledsoe could continue to improve and deserve the max contract (a la Joe Johnson), but I think a path similar to Eric Gordon is also entirely possible. A lot of Bledsoe's value comes from his potential as a player. An injury or regression in his outside shooting could really hurt that value.

If his agent is just posturing to get the Suns to kick in another couple of million, he is playing it well. If he gets a 24-year old kid with two fairly serious knee injuries to reject 48 million and play on a one year deal, then I think he is gambling with other peoples' money.

I think the Eric Gordon model may be more likely. Also the Amare Stoudemire model comes to mind.

 

[KloD]

That would really be rolling the dice for Bledsoe. I do not think that is good advice from the agent. Take a 1 year 6.5 million deal, when a 4 year, 48 million deal is on the table? That is a pretty big gamble to take with a player's money.

Contracts and circumstances change quickly in the NBA. I love Bledsoe, but if he had another knee injury and missed half the season next year, I don't think his next contract would approach 4/48. I understand the player feeling a little undervalued, but that is what agents are supposed to be there for. To be a cool head in a stressful situation. Bledsoe could continue to improve and deserve the max contract (a la Joe Johnson), but I think a path similar to Eric Gordon is also entirely possible. A lot of Bledsoe's value comes from his potential as a player. An injury or regression in his outside shooting could really hurt that value.

If his agent is just posturing to get the Suns to kick in another couple of million, he is playing it well. If he gets a 24-year old kid with two fairly serious knee injuries to reject 48 million and play on a one year deal, then I think he is gambling with other peoples' money.

It wouldn't be one year at $6.5 which is the cap hold amount. It would be one year at $3.5 which is his qualifying amount.

Remember, if he were to do that he would give up $8.5 million this year. Going into free agency next year he would have to get a max deal @ 4 years to make up the money and he would only see a $7.5 million increase in salary than had he excepted the Suns offer. Is it really worth the risk for a oft injured player to gamble on his knee and hope he gets through the season without injury and plays at a high level just to get an extra $7.5 million? I just cant see any player or agent seeing that as an intelligent move.

 

[sunsfan88]

I have no idea what you're talking about. He played much of the third quarter and they typically rested him at the start of the 4th quarter so he'd be fresh because he was such a critical part of our closing lineup.

Steve

Agreed he was our most clutch player last year.

 

[devilalum]

Agreed he was our most clutch player last year.

After watching summer league I'm thinkin Suns clutch might have a new name pretty soon.

 

[overseascardfan]

According to Broussard, PHX and Bledsoe are $32M apart. PHX is offering 4 years / $48M which would be more than Lowry got but Bledsoe wants the max 5 year / $80M. I can see why PHX could be looking to deal him now rather than him signing his RFA tender and leaving as a FA next year, I'm not sure a compromise can be made since we are talking a mountain of a difference.

 

[95pro]

According to Broussard, PHX and Bledsoe are $32M apart. PHX is offering 4 years / $48M which would be more than Lowry got but Bledsoe wants the max 5 year / $80M. I can see why PHX could be looking to deal him now rather than him signing his RFA tender and leaving as a FA next year, I'm not sure a compromise can be made since we are talking a mountain of a difference.

Welcome to several days ago

 

[overseascardfan]

Welcome to several days ago

Soooorry....didn't realize you broke this 2 days ago, congrats.

 

[Superbone]

Saw this over at RealGM and got a laugh out of it:

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[Mainstreet]

Saw this over at RealGM and got a laugh out of it:

Funny stuff.

However, I fear the longer this goes on, there reaches a point of no return sort of like Joe Johnson.

 

[KloD]

Funny stuff.

However, I fear the longer this goes on, there reaches a point of no return sort of like Joe Johnson.

I don't believe this is anything like the Johnson situation. I know Saver takes a lot of heat over it and I might be the only person who does, but at the time based on what I knew, I agreed with him. Johnson was offered a very fair contract for being a 3rd option and he was coming off a half season of good play. I believe his ego wanting to be the 1st option and lead a team had far more to do with his leaving than being shorted $5 million in his eyes. We had Nash and Amare', Joe was never going to lead or be the 1st option on that team. Sarver made mistakes with the situation no doubt, but IMO it was just as much Joe's ego that was the problem.

If this does turn out that Bledsoe gets upset that the Suns won't meet his max demands and wants to leave, so be it. I am 100% in the FO corner on this one. NO WAY should they cave and give that to him. But, he isn't crying to be put in a position on the team that isn't realistic and he certainly isn't going public with his issues if he even has any.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't believe this is anything like the Johnson situation. I know Saver takes a lot of heat over it and I might be the only person who does, but at the time based on what I knew, I agreed with him. Johnson was offered a very fair contract for being a 3rd option and he was coming off a half season of good play. I believe his ego wanting to be the 1st option and lead a team had far more to do with his leaving than being shorted $5 million in his eyes. We had Nash and Amare', Joe was never going to lead or be the 1st option on that team. Sarver made mistakes with the situation no doubt, but IMO it was just as much Joe's ego that was the problem.

If this does turn out that Bledsoe gets upset that the Suns won't meet his max demands and wants to leave, so be it. I am 100% in the FO corner on this one. NO WAY should they cave and give that to him. But, he isn't crying to be put in a position on the team that isn't realistic and he certainly isn't going public with his issues if he even has any.

No doubt about this.

But if Sarver had given JJ an extension the season prior, he would have remained a Sun. I regret the Suns kept Marion instead of JJ.

 

[sunsfan88]

No doubt about this.

But if Sarver had given JJ an extension the season prior, he would have remained a Sun. I regret the Suns kept Marion instead of JJ.

I regret the Suns trading for Shaq instead of keeping Marion. Shaq was brought in to guard Duncan so we can beat the Spurs and the Spurs still whooped our ass in the playoffs and they used Shaq to our disadvantage with the Hack-A-Shaq.

God, Steve Kerr truly was an awful GM. He inherited almost everything good from those teams.

 

[jandaman]

Welcome to several days ago

Lol yeah,
I thought he was going to state something new but wasn't this thread created from that rumour.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Saw this over at RealGM and got a laugh out of it:

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I know it's supposed to be a joke and all, but this is pretty rediculous. To suggest that in the middle of a game he was thinking about money, just because he is going for big money in the off-season. This is what this part of the season is for, getting as much money as you feel you are worth. Odds are within the next month or so, no other team will have given him the offer he wanted and he will come to term with something around that 4/48 offer that he got to begin with.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I know it's supposed to be a joke and all, but this is pretty rediculous. To suggest that in the middle of a game he was thinking about money, just because he is going for big money in the off-season. This is what this part of the season is for, getting as much money as you feel you are worth. Odds are within the next month or so, no other team will have given him the offer he wanted and he will come to term with something around that 4/48 offer that he got to begin with.

Its kind of ridiculous to take this picture that seriously. Its poking fun at Bledsoe, which, in this case is deserved and lets off a little steam.