Suns have 6th pick and 32nd pick in 2019 draft.

[1Sun]

Really bad take. Tyler is exactly the type of players that really good teams have as their 6-7 best player. Sure he is overpayed, but if he was only making a few million pretty much every playoff team would love to have him. It is okay to trash the contract, but completely trashing the player is just ignorant.

You must not have been watching the games. Johnson would hoist up more shots than Ayton, and not because he was open.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You must not have been watching the games. Johnson would hoist up more shots than Ayton, and not because he was open.

Tyler was 6th on the Suns for shots attempted per game, Ayton was 4th. Booker put up 19.6 attempts followed by Warren at 14.2, Oubre at 13.4, Ayton at 12.3, Jackson at 10.6, Tyler at 9.6, Ariza at 8.7, Bridges at 6.9, Canaan and Crawford at 6.8, Okobo at 5.5, Daniels at 5.4, Holmes at 5.2, Melton at 5.1, Jimmer at 4.8, Bender at 4.3 and Ryan Anderson at 4.0. The only thing that stands out there is that Ayton didn't get enough shot attempts, and that's NOT on Tyler. And if you want to go by attempts per 36 minutes, Tyler was 11th and Ayton was 6th.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah calling him "Brandon Knight with slightly better defense" is like calling Wilt a slightly bigger Muggsy Bogues.

Let's see. He is like Brandon Knight except:

1. He plays excellent D, Knight did not.
2. He is not ball dominant, Knight was a ball hog.
3. Knight played hero ball all the time, Tyler does not.
4. Knight was a turnover machine, Tyler is excellent at taking care of the ball.
5. Tyler makes players around him better, especially Booker, Knight did not.
6. Tyler is still valuable and playing in the league, Knight is pretty much done because of his poor play.

Hmm. He is exactly like Knight except for about every aspect of the game there is.

 

[1Sun]

Let's see. He is like Brandon Knight except:

1. He plays average D, Knight did not.
2. He is extremely ball dominant, and so was Knight.
3. Knight played hero ball all the time, and so does Tyler.
4. Knight was a turnover machine, Tyler is better at taking care of the ball since he joined the Suns, but his poor shot selection (including loads of contested 3s and long 2s) has the same effect as turnovers, even though the raw turnover number is down.
5. Tyler makes players around him worse, especially Booker, who is forced to play the point because Tyler can't, Knight did too.
6. Tyler is still valuable and playing in the league...for now, but the Suns are the only team dumb enough to value him and play him, Knight is pretty much done because of his poor play, which will be the same for Tyler if/when the Suns come to their senses and unload him, likely for another garbage contract the way they did with Knight.

Hmm.

FIFY.

 

[Chaplin]

FIFY.

How in the world can you be SO wrong about something? Mind-boggling.

 

[Yuma]

How in the world can you be SO wrong about something? Mind-boggling.

It's all our opinions and perceptions. I am sure we are all over the spectrum of how we perceive the players and team. It's how we all see.

 

[1Sun]

How in the world can you be SO wrong about something? Mind-boggling.

How in the world could you be so in love with a player who so clearly doesn't deserve it?

Just ask any Miami Heat fan, including my son. The guy is a bum.

 

[Proximo]

How in the world could you be so in love with a player who so clearly doesn't deserve it?

Just ask any Miami Heat fan, including my son. The guy is a bum.

If you look at the stats over his career, Johnson is the basically the definition of an average NBA player

0.0 offensive BPM 0.3 defensive BPM 3.9 VORP 13.8 career per.

Now he was slightly down from that with the suns - but it is a large enough sample size he should regress to the mean.

An average NBA player is not a bum.

 

[Proximo]

So - it is really starting to look like neither Culver or Garland are going to be there at 6.

If that is the case the Suns need to trade the pick.

Coby White sucks, he is not the answer. He is literally bad at everything other than possibly shooting that an NBA guard needs to do. I am not kidding when I say I think Okobo is more likely to become a legit starting PG than him.

Hunter feels like a career bench player to me, and Reddish - I mean I have no idea what you would get out of him, but it is too big a gamble.

I knew that coin flip with Cleveland was going to screw the suns.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So - it is really starting to look like neither Culver or Garland are going to be there at 6.

If that is the case the Suns need to trade the pick.

Coby White sucks, he is not the answer. He is literally bad at everything other than possibly shooting that an NBA guard needs to do. I am not kidding when I say I think Okobo is more likely to become a legit starting PG than him.

Hunter feels like a career bench player to me, and Reddish - I mean I have no idea what you would get out of him, but it is too big a gamble.

I knew that coin flip with Cleveland was going to screw the suns.

I believe this and would say the same about Melton vs Coby White.

 

[1Sun]

So - it is really starting to look like neither Culver or Garland are going to be there at 6.

If that is the case the Suns need to trade the pick.

Coby White sucks, he is not the answer. He is literally bad at everything other than possibly shooting that an NBA guard needs to do. I am not kidding when I say I think Okobo is more likely to become a legit starting PG than him.

Hunter feels like a career bench player to me, and Reddish - I mean I have no idea what you would get out of him, but it is too big a gamble.

I knew that coin flip with Cleveland was going to screw the suns.

In that scenario, Hunter has to be the pick.

 

[1Sun]

If you look at the stats over his career, Johnson is the basically the definition of an average NBA player

0.0 offensive BPM 0.3 defensive BPM 3.9 VORP 13.8 career per.

Now he was slightly down from that with the suns - but it is a large enough sample size he should regress to the mean.

An average NBA player is not a bum.

A Suns fan, of all people, should have a keen awareness of meaningless and/or garbage stats. Any Miami Heat fan will tell you that when there was anything on the line, Tyler Johnson brought nothing to the table.

I went on with the Brandon Knight comparison earlier. Perhaps a better comparison is Archie Goodwin with average instead of poor defense.

 

[Mainstreet]

So if the Suns interview Culver at Texas Tech, does this give him the inside track if he is there at #6?

It might pose a bluff as well.

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[1Sun]

So if the Suns interview Culver at Texas Tech, does this give him the inside track if he is there at #6?

It might pose a bluff as well.

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This is shaping up to be my worst nightmare of an offseason, even with the Monty hire, and if Monty is as infatuated with Tyler Johnson as it seems, he might be a bad mistake as well...

 

[Mainstreet]

This is shaping up to be my worst nightmare of an offseason, even with the Monty hire, and if Monty is as infatuated with Tyler Johnson as it seems, he might be a bad mistake as well...

I'm not worried about Tyler Johnson if the Suns keep him. He will get minutes at both guard positions. I look for the Suns to fortify the position.

What's your take on Culver if he falls to the Suns?

 

[1Sun]

I'm not worried about Tyler Johnson if the Suns keep him. He will get minutes at both guard positions. I look for the Suns to fortify the position.

What's your take on Culver if he falls to the Suns?

I believe Culver is a ball dominant shooting guard who can't shoot or pass, who is a high volume but inefficient scorer, who has very poor shot selection, and who shrinks in big situations. Basically Archie Goodwin with good defense or a taller version of Shaq Harrison, and at the position of least need. I think he is the worst possible candidate at #6.

Meanwhile, what is your take if the Suns extend Tyler Johnson for, say, 4 years and $40 million, and have him starting in the backcourt opposite Devin Booker for the foreseeable future (well, at least until Booker demands a trade out of frustration from having to play the point again on a team that continues to get worse)?...

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe Culver is a ball dominant shooting guard who can't shoot or pass, who is a high volume but inefficient scorer, who has very poor shot selection, and who shrinks in big situations. Basically Archie Goodwin with good defense or a taller version of Shaq Harrison, and at the position of least need. I think he is the worst possible candidate at #6.

Meanwhile, what is your take if the Suns extend Tyler Johnson for, say, 4 years and $40 million, and have him starting in the backcourt opposite Devin Booker for the foreseeable future (well, at least until Booker demands a trade out of frustration from having to play the point again on a team that continues to get worse)?...

My preference would be to keep Tyler on his current contract. His expiring contract would give the Suns money to spend in free agency next summer.

If the Suns extend Tyler Johnson it would have to be a move to sign other players. So in this context, I would consider extending him for less yearly salary. Tyler might serve as a transition to another point guard.

Where we differ, I think a combo guard can play well next to Booker.

 

[1Sun]

My preference would be to keep Tyler on his current contract. His expiring contract would give the Suns money to spend in free agency next summer.

If the Suns extend Tyler Johnson it would have to be a move to sign other players. So in this context, I would consider extending him for less yearly salary. Tyler might serve as a transition to another point guard.

Where we differ, I think a combo guard can play well next to Booker.

In my opinion, only a combo guard who is a better passer, distributor and facilitator than Booker, so that Booker can play off the ball (with the exception of certain strategic iso plays), where he belongs.

That's not Tyler Johnson, and it's definitely not Culver. Now if we talk Brogdon or even Dinwiddie? Yeah, I think Monty could make that work.

 

[Mainstreet]

In my opinion, only a combo guard who is a better passer, distributor and facilitator than Booker, so that Booker can play off the ball (with the exception of certain strategic iso plays), where he belongs.

That's not Tyler Johnson, and it's definitely not Culver. Now if we talk Brogdon or even Dinwiddie? Yeah, I think Monty could make that work.

I'd be satisfied with either Brogdon or Dinwiddie.

 

[Proximo]

I'd be satisfied with either Brogdon or Dinwiddie.

Brogdon is not happening.

I am beginning to think Dinwiddie might be a real possibility though.

Problem is he probably won’t be available till after kyrie signs there.

 

[Mainstreet]

Brogdon is not happening.

I am beginning to think Dinwiddie might be a real possibility though.

Problem is he probably won’t be available till after kyrie signs there.

It's a good point. Maybe a verbal agreement can be reached between the Suns and Nets to make the trade contingent upon Kyrie signing there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Brogdon is not happening.

I am beginning to think Dinwiddie might be a real possibility though.

Problem is he probably won’t be available till after kyrie signs there.

It just seems to make too much sense. BTW, coming to this Suns team in this situation is a pg's dream.

 

[GatorAZ]

My Gawd this draft is trash lol.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My Gawd this draft is trash lol.

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Been saying that all season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Been saying that all season.

Not sure I want to pay our #6 pick what the slot will be.