Suns have 6th pick and 32nd pick in 2019 draft.

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Kevin Zimmeran writes a good article about the plus and minuses of drafting Coby White.

Also there is a podcast.

Here is an excerpt from the article:

The 6-foot-5 scorer by nature averaged 16.1 points and 4.1 assists per game as a freshman, erupting for more than 30 points on three different occasions. White also shot 35% or worse from the field in 12 games, and those outings mostly came against the toughest, most athletic competition: Stanford, Wofford, Kentucky, Davidson, Louisville (twice), Virginia, Duke (twice), Florida State, Iona and Auburn.

Considering he put forth so many ugly shooting outings as a labeled scorer and shooter, raise the red flags.

OK, there’s a lot to like. For one, White can shoot.


http://arizonasports.com/story/1965...e-is-the-combo-guard-in-need-of-much-molding/
 

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Darius Garland is discussed a lot as well in the above mentioned podcast.
 

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Now watch all these players prove us wrong and this ends up as one of the best draft classes in the last 20 years

I think there are good players in the draft outside the top three. The Suns shouldn't get myopic about where to draft them. NBADraft.Net has Kabengele going #10. Ty Jerome will probably move up in the draft as well.

I was reading one league executive saying the mocks are inaccurate outside the top three. I believe this.
 

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The more I look at Kabengele, the more I want him. 6-10-260. 7-3 wingspan. Can play pf or c. Very aggressive, fast, and strong. 37% three-point shooter. 1.5 blocks pg. 10 boards per/36. Plays really confident and aggressive around and going to the rim. Amare-like aggressiveness.

He is just a load.

Amare-lite with a three-pointer. Marquise Chriss but a rebounder and non-stop motor.
 
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The more I look at Kabengele, the more I want him. 6-10-260. 7-3 wingspan. Can play pf or c. Very aggressive, fast, and strong. 37% three-point shooter. 1.5 blocks pg. 10 boards per/36. Plays really confident and aggressive around and going to the rim. Amare-like aggressiveness.

He is just a load.

Amare-lite with a three-pointer. Marquise Chriss but a rebounder and non-stop motor.

Did Chriss end up with ANY positives for us? Maybe setting screens? That's an awfully LOW bar to compare him to! ;)
 

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This guy has a high ceiling. Maybe the highest at #6 on. If we're looking for a "no risk it, no biscuit" type player, this is a good prospect. If we're looking for immediate production this is not our guy.

I like Kabengele more, but I'd be okay with the Suns taking a risk on either of these two. I mean, this draft has marginal differences between the #5 and #15 prospects, so why not take the guy you think is gonna shine the most.

I'd still call Atlanta and see if they want to move up. Take Kab or Sekou at #10 and get future assets out of them.
 

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The more I look at Kabengele, the more I want him. 6-10-260. 7-3 wingspan. Can play pf or c. Very aggressive, fast, and strong. 37% three-point shooter. 1.5 blocks pg. 10 boards per/36. Plays really confident and aggressive around and going to the rim. Amare-like aggressiveness.

He is just a load.

Amare-lite with a three-pointer. Marquise Chriss but a rebounder and non-stop motor.

Or (if you look at his alarmingly low assist numbers and inconsistent output)...Yinka Dare...
 

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Did Chriss end up with ANY positives for us? Maybe setting screens? That's an awfully LOW bar to compare him to! ;)

Going back to his college days I've never been a Chriss fan, quite the opposite, but yeah, he did do some positive things for us. There were moments (a lot of them actually) where he looked like he could even become a star. But what he had in physical gifts were more than offset by what he lacked in head and heart. And yeah, it's still a low bar.
 

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I'm wondering if the Suns could have a trade in place to draft Culver. They reportedly interviewed him yesterday in Texas.

Supposedly someone has promised Garland... perhaps the Lakers at #4. So if this is correct and the Knicks draft Barrett at #3, this leaves Cleveland.

Any thoughts?
 

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I'm wondering if the Suns could have a trade in place to draft Culver. They reportedly interviewed him yesterday in Texas.

Supposedly someone has promised Garland... perhaps the Lakers at #4. So if this is correct and the Knicks draft Barrett at #3, this leaves Cleveland.

Any thoughts?

Suns could just be doing their due diligence.
 

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Suns could just be doing their due diligence.

This could well be but traveling to Texas to work him out sounds serious.

I'm thinking they probably wouldn't do it unless they know he is available.

Of course other teams may have already tipped their hands on who they are drafting but I don't understand why Cleveland would show their hand.
 

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This could well be but traveling to Texas to work him out sounds serious.

I'm thinking they probably wouldn't do it unless they know he is available.

Of course other teams may have already tipped their hands on who they are drafting but I don't understand why Cleveland would show their hand.

I don’t think it means much of anything.

I still expect them to workout white, hunter, reddish, and maybe garland if they don’t know about a lakers guarantee.
 

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I don’t think it means much of anything.

I still expect them to workout white, hunter, reddish, and maybe garland if they don’t know about a lakers guarantee.


It does sound like the Suns like Culver at this stage of the process. The question is do they like anyone more who might be available.

I wonder if the Cavaliers would accept #32 to move up a notch. This might explain the Suns working out players that may not be drafted with the exception of Grant Williams.

Anyway, it's fun to speculate.
 

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It does sound like the Suns like Culver at this stage of the process. The question is do they like anyone more who might be available.

I wonder if the Cavaliers would accept #32 to move up a notch. This might explain the Suns working out players that may not be drafted with the exception of Grant Williams.

Anyway, it's fun to speculate.

Drafting Culver is a worst case scenario for me as it is. If the Suns trade away any assets to move up to draft him, I will lose it.
 

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Drafting Culver is a worst case scenario for me as it is. If the Suns trade away any assets to move up to draft him, I will lose it.

Culver is late on my radar so I'm not quite sure to make of him.

If the Suns trade Warren or Jackson they may need depth at shooting guard and small forward.

Maybe the Suns are thinking BPA.
 

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Culver is late on my radar so I'm not quite sure to make of him.

If the Suns trade Warren or Jackson they may need depth at shooting guard and small forward.

Maybe the Suns are thinking BPA.

Except a ball dominant shooting guard who can't shoot could not possibly be BPA, in my opinion.

And above all else, we need an NBA caliber point guard and power forward, so we shouldn't be giving away more assets to acquire yet more wings. We did that last offseason, and look where it got us.
 

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Except a ball dominant shooting guard who can't shoot could not possibly be BPA, in my opinion.

And above all else, we need an NBA caliber point guard and power forward, so we shouldn't be giving away more assets to acquire yet more wings. We did that last offseason, and look where it got us.

I'm not wanting the Suns to give up assets either. It's curious the Suns have interest in him though.
 

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I'm not wanting the Suns to give up assets either. It's curious the Suns have interest in him though.

Any more curious than them giving up one of their best assets for a wing and signing another wing as their only major free agent acquisition last year when they already had Warren and Jackson, when they had as big of a need for a point guard, and when there were point guards reasonably available?
 
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I'm not wanting the Suns to give up assets either. It's curious the Suns have interest in him though.
It is curious. We NEED PG or PF. He is arguably not the most polished, or the most up side. Maybe the best athlete in the draft? Maybe best scorer? It would seem if they intend to pair him with Booker the thinking is let's try going with two SG Scorers that can both bring up the ball? (I don't know if he can even bring up the ball) I mean a lot of teams, even the Suns have run two, heck us again, three PGs at at time. Maybe we buck the trend and go two scorers at the same time? :shrug:
 

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It is curious. We NEED PG or PF. He is arguably not the most polished, or the most up side. Maybe the best athlete in the draft? Maybe best scorer? It would seem if they intend to pair him with Booker the thinking is let's try going with two SG Scorers that can both bring up the ball? (I don't know if he can even bring up the ball) I mean a lot of teams, even the Suns have run two, heck us again, three PGs at at time. Maybe we buck the trend and go two scorers at the same time? :shrug:

He absolutely cannot bring up the ball or act as a facilitator or distributor. He is far inferior to Booker in that respect. Basically, Culver is a taller version of Melton or worse, Shaq Harrison.

And in terms of scoring, Culver is another one of those guys who just jacks up one bad shot after another and who is a 4-15 shooting night with very few assists waiting to happen.

He brings defense to the table and nothing else.
 
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Any more curious than them giving up one of their best assets for a wing and signing another wing as their only major free agent acquisition last year when they already had Warren and Jackson, when they had as big of a need for a point guard, and when there were point guards reasonably available?
We do love us some SF! The precious of the Suns. Maybe we are trying the corner the whole market at SF then we can choose a PG and PF when teams HAVE to deal with us?
 

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We do love us some SF! The precious of the Suns. Maybe we are trying the corner the whole market at SF then we can choose a PG and PF when teams HAVE to deal with us?

Except Culver isn't tall enough to be a SF. At least Warren, Jackson and Bridges have the potential to play multiple positions.

Culver is a shooting guard and nothing else, and he can't shoot and has poor shot selection.

I would actually rather the Suns just give away the pick and save the cap space than use it on Culver.
 

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Any more curious than them giving up one of their best assets for a wing and signing another wing as their only major free agent acquisition last year when they already had Warren and Jackson, when they had as big of a need for a point guard, and when there were point guards reasonably available?

Supposedly Ariza was the player Kokoskov wanted. Still McDonough needed to put team need, point guard, over every thing else.
 

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