Suns interested in Ben Gordon?

[Mulli]

FTFY

I was thinking that as I typed it.

 

[WuRaider]

Gordon's agent is just trying to draw some interest by picking "interested" teams out of a hat. Trading for a long term Ben Gordon deal goes against the current "financial responsibility" of the team.

 

[LV-Suns]

The Chicago Bulls and guard Ben Gordon are still far apart in their contract talks, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Gordon wants about $12 million per season, while the Bulls have offered around $9 million.

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[95pro]

imo, i think if gordon holds out on the bulls. imo, no other team will offer as much as the bulls are willing to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am conflicted on this. I agree that Ben Gordon would probably even be better then Barbosa in our system. However, trading Barbosa and his great contract without unloading Diaw doesn't sit well with me.

If Diaw is somehow part of a deal and we can unload his contract then get it done. However, if getting rid of Diaw is not part of it then I would be much more hesitant to do this deal.

That's out of date thinking. Diaw's contract is no longer horrible. After this FA period, it looks downright reasonable.

I am NOT interested in just unloading Diaw. LB's contract makes him more valuable in trade than Gordon. Players are similar but the compensation won't be close.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Gordon is a slightly better player right now but he wants twice the money Barbosa gets it seems like.
Barbosa also theoretically has more room for improvement in my opinion.

Gordon is probably even less of a PG and while he is more fluid offensively he also isnt a good defender and shorter than Barbosa.

Barbosa is more valueable as a trading piece im my opinion so if Chicago wanted him for Gordon who wants a huge contract than they need to give up more or take some of our trash which seems unlikely especially since we dont really have extremely bad players with bad contracts.

I agree with this post. I just don't think the Suns are looking for a player with that type of salary level. We already have Shaq, Amare, and Nash at high salary levels. Diaw's is in the mid range.

 

[scXfreakX]

Gordon wants 12 million! Are you kidding me? He is a freaking bench player and is not worth 12 million. All he does is shoot. Thats it. He doesn't really offer anything else. I think Gordon is more than a bit full of himself. Do we want that kind of attitude on our team? Although with all the egos and star players we have, I don't think he would say anything.

Anyways, I only see this happening with Diaw. It doesn't make sense to trade Barbosa for another Barbosa.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Hard to not ask for 12 million when youre playing alongside larry hughes and kirk hinrich

 

[Covert Rain]

That's out of date thinking. Diaw's contract is no longer horrible. After this FA period, it looks downright reasonable.

I am NOT interested in just unloading Diaw. LB's contract makes him more valuable in trade than Gordon. Players are similar but the compensation won't be close.

Why because resources are scarce? If I had no water for 3 days, muddy water would look good to me. Doesn't mean the quality of the muddy water is better then it was 3 days ago. It just means I would take what I could get because of what's available.

Diaw is a waste of cap space at that price. Just because there is nothing out there available and teams are paying guys just to grab what is there doesn't all of the sudden makes Diaw's contract a good one.

Diaw's contract sucks because he doesn't show up often enough to justify it period. There are other guys in the NBA that we could get to occasionally show up for much less money. At least I know what I am going to get out of Barbs and at a discount rate.

 

[jlove]

I'd do a Barbosa/Diaw for Nocioni, Gordon (S&T starting @ $8.2) and a 1st rd pick.

Either that or Diaw/Barbosa/Tucker for the same package plus Noah.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Why because resources are scarce? If I had no water for 3 days, muddy water would look good to me. Doesn't mean the quality of the muddy water is better then it was 3 days ago. It just means I would take what I could get because of what's available.

Diaw is a waste of cap space at that price. Just because there is nothing out there available and teams are paying guys just to grab what is there doesn't all of the sudden makes Diaw's contract a good one.

Diaw's contract sucks because he doesn't show up often enough to justify it period. There are other guys in the NBA that we could get to occasionally show up for much less money. At least I know what I am going to get out of Barbs and at a discount rate.

This is blurring the lines between quality and value. The quality is always staying the same, but the value is the thing fluctuating depending on what goes on in the surrounding community.

I'd do a Barbosa/Diaw for Nocioni, Gordon (S&T starting @ $8.2) and a 1st rd pick.

Either that or Diaw/Barbosa/Tucker for the same package plus Noah.

Diaw/Barbs for Gordon/Thomas/Gooden ftw

 

[AceP]

Diaw + Barbosa for Gordon + Nocioni is a good idea. There is a good chance to be accepted by the Bulls. Deng is now their prime SF, they feel Nocioni is too expensive a backup, especially while he can not play any other position. They were trying to trade Nocioni for Krstic.

Nocioni is a very good SF, tough defends and shoots very well. Hill is going to be out of contract next season and probably retire. Nocioni will be our starting SF for next few years. We can use Barnes at SG where he also does well.

But there is a problem in such a deal. We'll be really out of a backup big man. Must sign one from FA market.

Clearfy the contract structure question. There is no special arrangement in Deng's new deal to reduce the starting salary. Starting at 9.2M for first year, with a 10.5% annual increasing, then 10.1M, 11.2M, 12.4M, 13.7, 15.2, a total of 71M in 6 years, averaging 11.8M per year.

If Gordon accept a starting salary of 8~8.5M, the following years will be 9.4, 10.4, 11.5, 12.7, 14, make it a total of 66M in 6 years, 11M per. This is probably a very fair deal that he would accept.

 

[AceP]

By the way, the Bulls won't accept Barbosa + Diaw for Gordon + Gooden (expiring contract). They r also eying the huge summer of 2010, managing salary structure carefully. Both Diaw and Barbosa r long term contract, they'll definitely ask us to take one of their own long term contract back, Hinrich or Nocioni.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would rather take Hinrich than Gordon as Hinrich fills a need a PG and his salary would probably be lower than what Gordon gets.

So I would trade Barbs/Diaw for Hinrich, Noah, & either Nocioni or Thomas. If we can get both Nocioni and Thomas with Noah & Hinrich then great.

 

[Covert Rain]

This is blurring the lines between quality and value. The quality is always staying the same, but the value is the thing fluctuating depending on what goes on in the surrounding community.


Diaw/Barbs for Gordon/Thomas/Gooden ftw

And I argue that there is very little quality in Diaw as a player. Therefore, his value is diminished regardless of the current state of free agency. I don't buy into philosophy that we should go sign some guy or keep this guy because there is nobody better.

Crap is still crap even if it's the best crap on the market.

 

[Irish]

Does everybody in the NBA think that Diaw is "crap"? Or does everybody think he's not worth $9 million a year?

My opinion is that he's not worth $9 million but it does not solve the Suns problem to trade him for some other guy who is not worth $9 million either. Steel, how much do you think Diaw is worth and why do you think anybody wants him?

 

[dodie53]

diaw and LB for andres and hinrich.

then sign Powell

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Diaw/LB for Gordon/Thomas makes us MUCH better. Gordon is a killer. LB is mentally soft, though vastly talented....

 

[Covert Rain]

Does everybody in the NBA think that Diaw is "crap"? Or does everybody think he's not worth $9 million a year?

My opinion is that he's not worth $9 million but it does not solve the Suns problem to trade him for some other guy who is not worth $9 million either. Steel, how much do you think Diaw is worth and why do you think anybody wants him?

It does if you can somehow trade him for a combo of players or trade him for an expiring contract. I think there is always some team that thinks player X can play. Detroit signed Kwame.

 

[PDXChris]

I'd do a Barbosa/Diaw for Nocioni, Gordon (S&T starting @ $8.2) and a 1st rd pick.

Either that or Diaw/Barbosa/Tucker for the same package plus Noah.

You are a funny man on the second trade, although I could live with the first one.

Diaw/Barbs for Gordon/Thomas/Gooden ftw

WOW, that is terrible. No way the Bulls give up both PF's

By the way, the Bulls won't accept Barbosa + Diaw for Gordon + Gooden (expiring contract). They r also eying the huge summer of 2010, managing salary structure carefully. Both Diaw and Barbosa r long term contract, they'll definitely ask us to take one of their own long term contract back, Hinrich or Nocioni.

Have you seen the contracts on the Bulls? They would have to unload more than half of the roster to have a big 2010.

I would rather take Hinrich than Gordon as Hinrich fills a need a PG and his salary would probably be lower than what Gordon gets.

So I would trade Barbs/Diaw for Hinrich, Noah, & either Nocioni or Thomas. If we can get both Nocioni and Thomas with Noah & Hinrich then great.

Kirk is not going anywhere, even though I would love for that to happen. Jerry is in love with him and they plan on moving his to SG since he is a terrible PG anyways. Noah is not going anywhere.

 

[Chaplin]

Why is it that the Diaw-haters think he's absolutely worthless, but have no problem attaching a high value to him in trade suggestions?

 

[Irish]

Why is it that the Diaw-haters think he's absolutely worthless, but have no problem attaching a high value to him in trade suggestions?

Actually it is familiar story. There is a widespread belief that anyone who opposes a trade overvalues the guy they want to trade, so they trash the guy so no one will oppose any trade proposals. But then they come up with totally unrealistic trades based on the Suns getting lots of good stuff.

The reality is that usually you simply have to sit on a really bad contract. Several years ago the Pacers signed Croshere for a big contract (somethink like $8 million), but wasn't very good and mostly sat. He was finally moved as an expiring contract and got the Ven Min last season. I'm sure the Pacers would have loved to unload him, but he was just a backup type. He had three years of minutes in the teens. His best year statistically was 2004-05 the year before he was traded to Dallas.

I think it is fine that Kerr is shopping around. But I suspect he will stay as the Suns hope they can get something out of him so his value will increase.

 

[Mainstreet]

I suspect that Diaw is a lot better than some other players making 45 million (or more). It's his salary that seems to be the sticking point with a number of fans. If Diaw had a lower salary, I suspect a lot of teams would be interested in him because of his versatility. Minimally he is a nice role player. The way some NBA players are getting these huge salaries the more comfortable I become with Diaw.

 

[Irish]

I suspect that Diaw is a lot better than some other players making 45 million (or more). It's his salary that seems to be the sticking point with a number of fans. If Diaw had a lower salary, I suspect a lot of teams would be interested in him because of his versatility. Minimally he is a nice role player. The way some NBA players are getting these huge salaries the more comfortable I become with Diaw.

Boris COULD return to his 2005-06 form. He has not had any injuries. In spite of their trying to trade him, I think there is a hope that hanging out with Thunder Dan may rub off on him. Also, Porter needs to light a fire under him and let him know that this team is too deep for him to disappear regularly. "Play hard or sit".

I keep thinking this ritual of trying to trade him may be in part motivaltional.

 

[Rekindled]

hows this trade look

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...56~3032&teams=21~4~21~18~4~21~18~21&te=&cash=