Suns Off-season Thread

[Mainstreet]

I like the John Collins options and think his defense would improve here.

WCJ is a good option too but at only 23 y/o why would the magic move that contract? It's AWESOME!

I like the idea of trading for John Collins, but I figure there must be a reason he hasn't drawn more league wide interest.

 

[Muggz]

I like the idea of trading for John Collins, but I figure there must be a reason he hasn't drawn more league wide interest.

He makes too much money like 25 mil a year ish. Or teams would be lining up for sure.

 

[Mainstreet]

He makes too much money like 25 mil a year ish. Or teams would be lining up for sure.

A trade like this should do it, plus a first round pick or two, but it might have repercussions in keeping Cam Johnson.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2hex4n6e

 

[Muggz]

A trade like this should do it, plus a first round pick or two, but it might have repercussions in keeping Cam Johnson.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2hex4n6e

Im thinking Jae and ShameT would love to reunite with Frank.

 

[Muggz]

Its all a matter of opinions, i want Jae gone like last season but hasn't happened. Not that this was the discussion, but i'd keep Dario over Jae

TBH I would rather have Dario play PF than Jae in situations like where Giannis running the ball up our butts constantly.
I still think Dario could have changed the Bucks series for the better.

 

[Covert Rain]

TBH I would rather have Dario play PF than Jae in situations like where Giannis running the ball up our butts constantly.
I still think Dario could have changed the Bucks series for the better.

Not me. Dario has zero lateral quickness and a crappy defender. He wouldn't have been able to stop anything Giannis was doing. At least Crowder is mobile.

 

[Phrazbit]

You call that quick?

I just don't get the Dario love. 70% of the time he is a negative when he is on the floor.

Dario is one of those guys who make a far bigger impact than his individual stats suggest.

He had the best splits on the entire team in 2021. Our bench went from gold to garbage when he tore his knee in the finals.

 

[Phrazbit]

The suns have a lot of long term contract commitments and a likely Cam Johnson extension and the looming need to replace CP3. I don’t see even the slightest chance they trade for a forward on a long term deal that’s already considered an overpay.

So Collins and Randle are out.

Carter Jr would be nice and the magic do have a tradition of dumping the wrong players.

 

[Chaplin]

Not me. Dario has zero lateral quickness and a crappy defender. He wouldn't have been able to stop anything Giannis was doing. At least Crowder is mobile.

He wouldn’t have been expected to stay with Giannis. Why would you think that?

 

[Cheesebeef]

He wouldn’t have been expected to stay with Giannis. Why would you think that?

He was responding specifically to Muggz who said Dario would have been better staying with Giannis than Crowder.

Dubious claim to me. Neither one really stands a chance against Giannis but Crowder at least had some thickness and dirt to his D that Dario doesn’t.

 

[Chaplin]

He was responding specifically to Muggz who said Dario would have been better staying with Giannis than Crowder.

Dubious claim to me. Neither one really stands a chance against Giannis but Crowder at least had some thickness and dirt to his D that Dario doesn’t.

My bad. I don’t particularly understand the comparison between Jae and Dario other then the “technically” are playing the same position. That’s where the similarities pretty much end.

 

[Covert Rain]

He was responding specifically to Muggz who said Dario would have been better staying with Giannis than Crowder.

Dubious claim to me. Neither one really stands a chance against Giannis but Crowder at least had some thickness and dirt to his D that Dario doesn’t.

This.

 

[Muggz]

He was responding specifically to Muggz who said Dario would have been better staying with Giannis than Crowder.

Dubious claim to me. Neither one really stands a chance against Giannis but Crowder at least had some thickness and dirt to his D that Dario doesn’t.

Dario takes more charges and gets his body in the way you know like a pf. Jae is small and gets merked by real PFs yeah his hands and feet are moving just fine as they walk right through him.

 

[Covert Rain]

Dario takes more charges and gets his body in the way you know like a pf. Jae is small and gets merked by real PFs yeah his hands and feet are moving just fine as they walk right through him.

You have to be able to get in front of said player to take a charge. No way Dario has the lateral quickness to do that. Giannis would just go around him. If Dario is parked in the paint? Giannis would just dunk on him and the way they were calling fouls? Dario wouldn't get any of those calls. It was pretty obvious they had no intention of fouling out Giannis.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dario takes more charges and gets his body in the way you know like a pf. Jae is small and gets merked by real PFs yeah his hands and feet are moving just fine as they walk right through him.

I agree. Basketball is more than about quickness, it's about position and knowing where to be on the court. It's called basketball IQ.

Saric couldn't have stopped Giannis, but he would have provided a physical presence the Suns were lacking beyond Ayton.

Saric could have played beside Ayton or behind him. He would have given the Suns 6 more fouls to give. Also, no one is moving Dario once he gets planted in the lane.

 

[Finito]

I agree. Basketball is more than about quickness, it's about position and knowing where to be on the court. It's called basketball IQ.

Saric couldn't have stopped Giannis, but he would have provided a physical presence the Suns were lacking beyond Ayton.

Saric could have played beside Ayton or behind him. He would have given the Suns 6 more fouls to give. Also, no one is moving Dario once he gets planted in the lane.

Our front court wasn’t really the problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

Our front court wasn’t really the problem.

Losing Saric in the 2019-20 finals didn't help, but the Suns couldn't build an effective wall to stop Giannis.

Another big man wouldn't have hurt, that's why the Suns added McGee last season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dario takes more charges and gets his body in the way you know like a pf. Jae is small and gets merked by real PFs yeah his hands and feet are moving just fine as they walk right through him.

I really don’t think it would have mattered all that much.

 

[Muggz]

I really don’t think it would have mattered all that much.

When we win the Larry this year I'm saying it was ALL Dario.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If we win the Larry this year I'm saying it was ALL Dario.

If we win the Larry this year, you can say “Cheese is a stupid cheese eating son of a motherless goat!” and I’ll give you a REVEREND! in return.

 

[Phrazbit]

I really don’t think it would have mattered all that much.

I don't think Dario would have done much of anything to counter Giannis, but he would have helped the bench not suck at the end of that series, and seeing as the last 2 games boiled down to 2 plays... I think it would have helped.

Dario was the difference between the best bench in the NBA and... a solid but not great bench. If he can play at that level again it will be huge.

 

[Finito]

All this talk about Antetokuonmpo. Am I the only person who thought that the Suns didn't do a good enough job of stopping the other Bucks players and that's just as much why they lost? If you can't shut down the opponent's best player, shut down his teammates, because one player can't beat you alone unless his name is Hakeem Olajuwon. I was always unhappier about what their backcourt got away with. That Khris Middleton dropped 40 in one of the losing games and averaged 24--Khris who?--and at that at times Jrue Holiday outplayed Chris Paul.

Hit the nail on the head.

Middleton and Holiday both won there battles.

 

[Mainstreet]

Josh Okogie and Ish Wainright showing well in international play.

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[Joe Mama]

We'll have to disagree. Media and fans are distractable. In 2005, people talked about Steve Nash's high-octane Suns team more than they talked about the Spurs, who eventually showed the world it paid attention to the wrong team. I hope the 2022-23 Suns are the Spurs to someone else's SSOL team.

They paid attention to the Phoenix Suns because they were actually exciting to watch. And if the league didn't have its head so far up it's collective but it would realize that people want to watch High scoring fun teams and not WWF in the playoffs also. There was that and Mike D never Learning how to use a bench. It wasn't coincidence that we went from having one of the worst/Nonexistent benches to one of the best immediately when gentry took over.

By the way, Amare displayed some shot blocking skills his first season. I'm not sure if they were coached out of him for fear of foul trouble… Justified fear, but overall he was a net negative defender. That Trio of Steve Nash, and old Shaquille O'Neal, and stoudemire was the worst pick and roll Defense I've ever seen. Fortunately they were among the best offenses ever, so it wasn't a total disaster.

 

[Big Al]

He wouldn’t have been expected to stay with Giannis. Why would you think that?

Well that's what he was getting paid for.. The fact that Dario was/is our 6-10 power forward and making roughly $ 10 million year while Giannis is a force of a 6-11 power forward and we were in the Finals for the championship where you have to step up your game for the chip then I kinda would expect Dario would have at least a shown some type of resistance to Giannis if he hadn't been injuried but Dario couldn't have done that and to think he could have is purely a dream. Dario a 6-10 finesse back up player who can shoot outside but can't rebound or defend the likes of an aggressive offensive player like Giannis. But a lot of other power forwards can't either.

We need a real Power forward to help Ayton and the team. We got Crowder posing a power forward but we know he's simply a small forward who is overweight a tad bit & his inconsistent play is a bit much to take.