Suns offer Amare maximum contract extension worth an estimated $110 million

[Cheesebeef]

Does anyone find it hilarious amare invited himself to the free agent summit.

I don't think he realizes he would be wade/lebron's second option of who to team up with, that's why they didnt want him in the first place.

I do. I don't think any of those guys think of Amare as being a winner. LeBron apparently was the one who pushed harder to get Jamison than Amare and that should tell you all you need to know about what he thinks of him.

 

[jandaman]

Jamison isnt a winner either....


But Stoudemire's ALPHA male attitude... and "Give me the ball cos Im the greatest" attitude doesnt dig well with LeBron since LeBron is the same way.

Plus, Stoudemire loves to take credit from others.... anyone else notice that?

Jamison is happy as a robin-type.... hence LeBron is happier with him.

I dont buy the "winner" thingy...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I do. I don't think any of those guys think of Amare as being a winner. LeBron apparently was the one who pushed harder to get Jamison than Amare and that should tell you all you need to know about what he thinks of him.

Then Lebron is an idiot. I have little doubt if the Lebrons had Amare, they would have won a championship.

To question Amare's involvement in these alleged conferences without laughing off Chris Bosh is ridiculous as well. Granted, Bosh certainly didn't have the supporting cast Amare did, but Bosh didn't seem to make any appreciable difference in helping the Raptors do anything. There are 3 no brainer max players left in the NBA, and about 15-20 questionable maxes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Then Lebron is an idiot.

agreed... still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't think very highly of Amare.

To question Amare's involvement in these alleged conferences without laughing off Chris Bosh is ridiculous as well.

here's the thing... we're not questioning his involvement... those players AREN'T involving him. We can't laugh off Bosh because Wade/LeBron have included him in the group. They haven't ever mentioned Amare. THAT's why we're laughing him off. He's including himself in a group that isn't including him. Bottom line, the head honchos value Bosh more than Amare... which also says something about if we keep him... and we do have cap room someday... will players even WANT to play with him?

 

[jagu]

Then Lebron is an idiot. I have little doubt if the Lebrons had Amare, they would have won a championship.

To question Amare's involvement in these alleged conferences without laughing off Chris Bosh is ridiculous as well. Granted, Bosh certainly didn't have the supporting cast Amare did, but Bosh didn't seem to make any appreciable difference in helping the Raptors do anything. There are 3 no brainer max players left in the NBA, and about 15-20 questionable maxes.

There is nothing that Amare had showed in the playoffs that gives you little doubt that they would have won a championship. I don't think they would beat the Celtics if they had Amare and Lebron.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

There is nothing that Amare had showed in the playoffs that gives you little doubt that they would have won a championship. I don't think they would beat the Celtics if they had Amare and Lebron.

With the attention Lebron draws, I think Amare would have gone nuts. Jamison really couldn't have played any worse. I really think as a 2nd banana with Wade or Kobe or Lebron, Amare would win a championship.

 

[jagu]

With the attention Lebron draws, I think Amare would have gone nuts. Jamison really couldn't have played any worse. I really think as a 2nd banana with Wade or Kobe or Lebron, Amare would win a championship.

He would have been owned by KG and the other guys in the paint and had the same pathetic effort on defense and rebounding that whatever points he scored wouldn't really make a difference.

 

[slinslin]

He would have been owned by KG and the other guys in the paint and had the same pathetic effort on defense and rebounding that whatever points he scored wouldn't really make a difference.

Umm no, Boston isn't as long team as Portland with Aldridge and Camby or LA with Gasol and Bynum.

 

[SunsTzu]

I do. I don't think any of those guys think of Amare as being a winner. LeBron apparently was the one who pushed harder to get Jamison than Amare and that should tell you all you need to know about what he thinks of him.

Amare has still done more than JJ who was invited(he's done more the Bosh for that matter). I also recall the events at the trade deadline differently. James was pushing for Jamison until he found out Amare might be available. I remember at the AS game James kept talking how great it would be to play with a guy like Amare.

 

[mojorizen7]

In 2011, Suns can be a major player in recruiting "new" center pieces to the team.

Stoudemire is a fine center piece, but not at 20+ Million a year (26 million his last year). Because the team needs a couple of 10+ Million a year players next to him either to play the perimeter offense role and the other to grab rebounds and play defense inside that Stoudemire doesnt provide.



For example:
Suns can offer 5 year 70 Million to Greg Oden in 2011 (he is restricted), Blazers wont be able to match that since they cant justify having max in Aldridge, Roy and still having Camby there.

Suns can do wonders with Oden I think....

+1
I understand your stance and i happen to agree.
I'm willing to let Amare walk or trade for a lesser player in order for us to:
a) become a player in the FA market in a couple years.
b) put ourselves in position to draft in the top 5-10.

I don't need this team to possibly mortage our future in order to get Nash & Amare back to the WCF.

Youth movement please. We've got some very good pieces already in place here. Nash/Amare isn't the answer without an absolute stud at the 4 or 5 who can defend,rebound,disrupt like ala a Dennis Rodman-type(who isn't available ).....in addition to other dfensive pieces and a more reliable shooter off the bench rather than Barbosa IMO.

 

[cly2tw]

The Amare hatred is getting into the realm of unprecedented ridiculous state now. Amare was still playing in the playoffs, unlike the tier-1 superstar FAs, when they announced those summit! It's not an issue that you have to talk about everyday over your summer vacation on the Caribean islands. Amare is stupid with words in general, but to induce from it that Wade and LBJ wouldn't want to team up with him?

 

[cly2tw]

When it comes to signing Amare to a max-like contract and fear of no contender after Nash retires, the better comparison would be Pierce before KG/Allen joined him, Pau Gasol on Grizz, McDyce on Nuggs, JONeal on Pacers, JJ in Atlanta and Bosh in Toronto, etc. Without injury, any of them would yield their teams very good assets if traded.

From the resale value point of view, the only risk for the Suns would be injury. It's up to the management to assess that properly to make a decision. Trust Kerr in that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Amare hatred is getting into the realm of unprecedented ridiculous state now. Amare was still playing in the playoffs, unlike the tier-1 superstar FAs, when they announced those summit! It's not an issue that you have to talk about everyday over your summer vacation on the Caribean islands. Amare is stupid with words in general, but to induce from it that Wade and LBJ wouldn't want to team up with him?

I'm never quite sure if I understand you but I think I agree with you here anyway. That supposed summit only included players that were already on vacation. Maybe Wade left Amare off the list on purpose but I kind of doubt it.

I'm in favor of letting Amare walk but it's not exactly for the same reasons as most others here. I just don't think we can justify the risk his salary would entail. When you factor in Amare's injury history, Sarver's limited resources (relative to the more wealthy owners), the fact that Amare is not at the Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Durant or Howard level and the upcoming salary restructuring we just can't risk it.

If we were Dallas, Philly, Boston, NY/NJ, LA or Chicago I'd re-sign Amare in a heartbeat even if it required the super max. But in our market, all it would do is ensure we're never more than almost contenders. If we can sign and trade him then great. Or if we can sign him to a manageable and in the future, moveable contract then again, great. But failing either of those, we need to let him walk.

Steve

 

[jandaman]

When it comes to signing Amare to a max-like contract and fear of no contender after Nash retires, the better comparison would be Pierce before KG/Allen joined him, Pau Gasol on Grizz, McDyce on Nuggs, JONeal on Pacers, JJ in Atlanta and Bosh in Toronto, etc. Without injury, any of them would yield their teams very good assets if traded.

From the resale value point of view, the only risk for the Suns would be injury. It's up to the management to assess that properly to make a decision. Trust Kerr in that.

2011

Thunder
Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Thabo, FA big man, Green
This team will be dominating the west.

Youn honestly think Stoudemire (22/7 type big man) with Dragic, Clark, Lopez would be match to that team?

Clark can give it to Durant I think, in terms of "containing" him.

But the Suns are another all-star away from competing with that team.


You CANNOT have 20,22,23,24,25,26 million dollars committed to Stoudemire who is a 22-24 ppg 7-8 rpg game guy... with NO defense and NO one to feed him constantly.

If Nash was 3 years younger... or if the SUNS have Chris Paul or Deron Williams ready to replace Nash.. then I can understand having Stoudemire will be effective.

But Dragic is no Chris Paul nor Deron.... Dragic is a solid player, who can be a servicable starting point guard, his highest potential is to be a semi-star type.... not your "second star" type point guard.



As I mentioned, the SUNS shouldnt be looking at Stoudemire as long term... and I think Kerr and Sarver agrees as they are offering him a 3 year extension only.... this $110,000,000 rumour has to be sign and trade. As that money isnt fit for a team that has 1-2 seasons of having Nash playing his all-star self.


Don't bank on Stoudemire to be the Suns centerpiece in the long run... basically.

Start a new young team and nab that superstar in 2011 or 2012.

 

[jandaman]

2011, offer max to Mayo, Randolph...

Suns lineup

C: Lopez (12ppg 9 rpg 2bpg)
PF: Randolph (18ppg 11rpg 4apg 2.5bpg)
SF: Clark (14ppg 7rpg 4apg 1.5bpg)
SG: Mayo (20ppg 4rpg 4apg 1.5spg)
PG: Dragic (14ppg 9apg 3rpg 1.5spg)

Sixth man: Dudley
+ a couple of sharp shooters, 1 big and 1 small.


I say build for the future....

 

[jagu]

Umm no, Boston isn't as long team as Portland with Aldridge and Camby or LA with Gasol and Bynum.

 

[slinslin]

Try opening your eyes to some objectivity my friend.

 

[Covert Rain]

There is nothing that Amare had showed in the playoffs that gives you little doubt that they would have won a championship. I don't think they would beat the Celtics if they had Amare and Lebron.

You are crazy. Lebron and Amare or Lebron and Wade would get my vote for a title favorite. Surround these guys with defensive role players and you would have everything you need.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are crazy. Lebron and Amare or Lebron and Wade would get my vote for a title favorite. Surround these guys with defensive role players and you would have everything you need.

What is Lebron being on the court surrounded by Amare and scrubs going to do to make Amare rebound/play defense? Jackson would be perfectly content to let Lebron get his in single coverage and allow Amare to continue to get swallowed up by their bigs while playing atrocious defense/not rebounding.

 

[hsandhu]

Amare has still done more than JJ who was invited(he's done more the Bosh for that matter). I also recall the events at the trade deadline differently. James was pushing for Jamison until he found out Amare might be available. I remember at the AS game James kept talking how great it would be to play with a guy like Amare.

Joe johnson was invited because he's friends with them. If it was based on recent performance they wouldn't let joe in the building.

Simmons was talking about the nba rat pack of lebron, wade, carmelo, paul, jj a while back.

 

[Covert Rain]

What is Lebron being on the court surrounded by Amare and scrubs going to do to make Amare rebound/play defense? Jackson would be perfectly content to let Lebron get his in single coverage and allow Amare to continue to get swallowed up by their bigs while playing atrocious defense/not rebounding.

Why do the other players have to be scrubs? You consider Dragic or Dudley on our team scrubs??? You can have good defensive players on your team that don't cost a ton of money. Look what adding "scrubs" did for the Suns down the stretch. You can play good team defense with secondary players. I am just saying surround Amare with enough defensive talent and that team would be OK.

Also, I would love to see Jackson consistently leave one one one with LeBron or Wade. Would love it to see it.

 

[jagu]

Try opening your eyes to some objectivity my friend.

I am a very objective person. I know how Amare plays and I don't think he will make any difference in a title run that Shaq and Jamison can't do. I know your one of the biggest Amare kool-aid drinkers on these boards so I don't expect you to actually understand that. What will Amare do differently? Do you actually think he will get over 8 boards a game against the Celtics? LOL, definitely not. Rondo and Garnett will pick and roll his ******** all night long. I think its time to take off the Amare goggles off there buddy.

Well at the end of that series I am sure a few of you will say how great he is learning how to box out though. Still learning. I hope he learns how to throw chest passes to open teammates when he is being doubled this summer.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Lol at justifying Lewis's contract...

Some people have reading comprehension issues. I didn't justify it, I just stated that it didn't cripple the Magic.

 

[Black Jesus]

2011, offer max to Mayo, Randolph...

Suns lineup

C: Lopez (12ppg 9 rpg 2bpg)
PF: Randolph (18ppg 11rpg 4apg 2.5bpg)
SF: Clark (14ppg 7rpg 4apg 1.5bpg)
SG: Mayo (20ppg 4rpg 4apg 1.5spg)
PG: Dragic (14ppg 9apg 3rpg 1.5spg)

Sixth man: Dudley
+ a couple of sharp shooters, 1 big and 1 small.


I say build for the future....

That team finishes 10th in the West unless Clark turns into a borderline allstar and Randolph doesn't slow down or continue to be a team cancer.

 

[jandaman]

That team finishes 10th in the West unless Clark turns into a borderline allstar and Randolph doesn't slow down or continue to be a team cancer.

so in 2011-2012 that team finishes 10th...

name the 9 teams ahead...

assuming Randolph improves tp his potential..... which i implied by showing his projected stats... and look at clarks too.... its my projected stats for him.