Suns @ Pistons

[Phrazbit]

Its a basketball game.

Its a song lyric and a joke.

 

[95pro]

Its a song lyric and a joke.

Em

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Its a song lyric and a joke.

Not a rap fan so I never heard it.

 

[95pro]

And coach puts it on the players. Doesn't mention his bad decisions.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

And coach puts it on the players. Doesn't mention his bad decisions.

I heard that. He took the long way around until finally saying MAYBE it was his fault.

 

[nashman]

Horny blows! I'm so done with him as head coach! We're up big and he just refuses to play the players that work and it continues to blow up in his face. He is over his head clearly doesn't know what lineup to play and can't even see when one is working, Jesus. You can't lose games when your up 16 and just kiss away the game because of terrible coaching and lineups... Done with horny he sucks!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well. The box score surely reveals where our future is. PJ is about done it seems.

 

[slinslin]

Took you a while but finally people realize the truth about Hornacek and Tucker.

Brandon Knight is so inconsistent and so bad sometimes it is amazing. He is a volume scorer at this point, that is his only real defined skill.

Bledsoe and Warren are the only outstanding talents on this team, too bad Hornacek is too stubborn to see that.

 

[JS22]

"I don't know, maybe I should have kept the bench in."

Ya think? The bench unit was playing really well and built a nice lead. You pulled Warren and Booker and it all went to hell. Booker never saw the floor again until the very end of the game. Not even on the final possession of the 4th quater. Booker - Your best shooter by a mile who was having a breakout game. On the bench during the final possession. Only 22 minutes overall. Great coaching there, Jeff.

Don't even get me started on Tucker over Warren.

 

[SirStefan32]

I can understand Tucker starting. It's good for Warren to build confidence by going against the second unit, and it's good for the team to have a scorer off the bench. That second unit is powerful. What I am not OK with is Tucker finishing the game when he is playing like crap, and Warren is playing well.

Big mistake was not staying with the second unit that built a huge lead. If the two youngsters are playing well (three if we count Leuer), leave them in!

 

[Mainstreet]

Hornacek's player rotations and PJ Tucker cost the Suns the game. It's getting harder to watch the Suns snatch defeat out of victory. It's sad because the Suns do have talent.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

"I don't know, maybe I should have kept the bench in."

Ya think? The bench unit was playing really well and built a nice lead. You pulled Warren and Booker and it all went to hell. Booker never saw the floor again until the very end of the game. Not even on the final possession of the 4th quater. Booker - Your best shooter by a mile who was having a breakout game. On the bench during the final possession. Only 22 minutes overall. Great coaching there, Jeff.

Don't even get me started on Tucker over Warren.

Jeff cant worry about ruffling feathers of the starters by keeping the bench in when they're winning the game at that point. His job is to win games period! Whoever the hot hand is he's got to ride it regardless of pecking order. Today, Im sure Jeff is having to answer for creating that debacle last night.

 

[Errntknght]

The silver lining in this recent stretch of bad losses is that Jeff might exit earlier. Did Thibideaux find a job yet?

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Every starter was bad last night. Every one was on the minus side of +/-. Poor shooting from Knight and Bledsoe, and too many TOs for Bledsoe. Bledsoe had 2 assists in the 4th quarter, but was noticeably absent otherwise. Knight hit a 3 and had one assist in the 4th quarter, but was otherwise ineffective. This is the starting backcourt. Just not good enough when both are having poor games.

Booker was great, but he still is a defensive liability and had 5 fouls, whether warranted or not. I wanted to see him out there, but I can understand it a little. So the bench (plus Leuer) plays great. But you can't just leave them out there for the entire second half. At some point, the starters need to pick up some of the heat here. They were pretty bad.

The Pistons attempted 3 times as many free throws (44!) as the Suns, yet the both had about the same number of points in the paint. So it wasn't because the Suns were just jacking up shots. Explain that one (other than fouling Drummond on purpose, which they did for 8 FTs, I believe).

I don't think Hornacek is in trouble this season. These are the growing pains of a team where two of your best/exciting players are first- and second-year guys. Len is nice and still a year or two away, IMO. Bled and Knight are just too streaky as SGs and not great assist guys as PGs. Both CAN do it from time to time, but they don't with consistency.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think Hornacek is in trouble this season. These are the growing pains of a team where two of your best/exciting players are first- and second-year guys. Len is nice and still a year or two away, IMO. Bled and Knight are just too streaky as SGs and not great assist guys as PGs. Both CAN do it from time to time, but they don't with consistency.

The thing is, it's not the young players that are experiencing growing pains that I worry about. It's the coach making rookie coaching mistakes in his third year with the Suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The silver lining in this recent stretch of bad losses is that Jeff might exit earlier. Did Thibideaux find a job yet?

oh man... Thibedoux would be a GREAT hire for this team, IMO. They've got some young athletes, and I think he would love having a bulldog with Bledsoe and two big men. And the guy knows how to develop young talent. That would be a perfect hire... which we'd never make. Although, maybe McD would be a fan since he came from Boston where Tibs cut his teeth under Rivers.

That hiring would definitely pique my interest in the team again.

 

[slinslin]

They will probably ride this thing out and let Hornacek expire.

In the offseason they can go for Luke Walton. That connection seems obvious due to Sarver and UofA ties.

I could see the Lakers planning the same thing but Byron Scott is on a guaranteed deal till 2017.

Thidbodault might be good in theory but he clashed a lot with players and management in the past and his style of play and coaching is maybe not a good fit anymore in the league.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

What in the world makes you think Walton is a good head coach? I am pretty sure you rail on D'Antoni regularly on here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It is impossible to know if Walton is a good head coach. Most people thought Hornacek walked on water after his first season here.

I still think Hornacek is a good coach, although I do not understand PJ getting the burn that he is getting. The Markieff situation is out of his hands.

 

[slinslin]

What in the world makes you think Walton is a good head coach? I am pretty sure you rail on D'Antoni regularly on here.

There is a slight difference between Walton and D'Antoni

1. Walton has championship experience and coached on a championship team
2. He has not lost a game as a headcoach

D'Antoni on the other hand has assembled one of the worst records ever if you exclude the years he had Nash.

He was awful in Denver
He was awful in LA.
He was mediocre at NY.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

There is a slight difference between Walton and D'Antoni

1. Walton has championship experience and coached on a championship team
2. He has not lost a game as a headcoach with the best shooter in the league, as well as the best-shooting team in the league

D'Antoni on the other hand has assembled one of the worst records ever if you exclude the years he had Nash.

He was awful in Denver
He was awful in LA.
He was mediocre at NY.

Just saying. Sometimes [most of the time] the players make the coach.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Stephen Curry acts much as the head coach for GS. Take Curry away from the Warriors and they are likely an average team. They just keep on playing great without Steve Kerr.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Just saying. Sometimes [most of the time] the players make the coach.

How many times did D'Antoni knock the Lakers with Phil Jackson as their coach out of the playoffs?

They have met twice in the playoffs. D'Antoni coached teams won both series.

What was Jackson's excuse for losing? He had Kobe for goodness sake. Why could he not beat the NBA's worst coach MDA?

You are not allowed to compare rosters and talent. Jackson should never ever lose to that lame brain D'Antoni.

Coaches worth a crap win with inferior talent all the time, right.

How many championships did Jackson win without either MJ or Kobe?

How many championships has Popovich won without Duncan?

I have no idea why both Jackson and Popovich ever lost a championship based on their skill level.

 

[Chaplin]

How many times did D'Antoni knock the Lakers with Phil Jackson as their coach out of the playoffs?

They have met twice in the playoffs. D'Antoni coached teams won both series.

What was Jackson's excuse for losing? He had Kobe for goodness sake. Why could he not beat the NBA's worst coach MDA?

You are not allowed to compare rosters and talent. Jackson should never ever lose to that lame brain D'Antoni.

Coaches worth a crap win with inferior talent all the time, right.

How many championships did Jackson win without either MJ or Kobe?

How many championships has Popovich won without Duncan?

I have no idea why both Jackson and Popovich ever lost a championship based on their skill level.

Those losses are more attributed to Nash than D'Antoni. Yet, you never mention Steve once in the above rant.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Those losses are more attributed to Nash than D'Antoni. Yet, you never mention Steve once in the above rant.

The discussion was about coaches not players. I suggested that players could not be part of the discussion.

However since you mention Nash, please answer these two questions. I need to be educated.

1. Why does Nash get credit for every Suns victory & not losses during 7SOL?
2. Why does D'Antoni get credit for every Suns loss and not wins during 7SOL?

We certainly won more games with Nash than without. However we did not go undefeated when Nash was healthy and played.

I now know the real reason we never won a championship during 7 SOL. If Nash determined every victory then he just did not play well enough in some games for us to win a championship. Otherwise we would have never lost. After all we never won a game that anyone deserved credit for other than him. At least that is what is depicted by most on this board.