Suns to trade Marbury, according to KDUS

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by scotsman13
here is something i hadnt thought about. this was posted on espn's suns board. as to who the suns most likely FA signing would be this off season. and to be honest it makes a lot of sense.

I know everyone now wants to know what the Suns are going to due with their new-found cap room. The one FA that I was hearing that the Suns absoluelty covet is Manu Ginoboli. He played under D'Antoni overseas and this gives them the flexibility to go get him if they want to. The Spurs wont be able to match the offer is the Suns overpay for him. Anyways, that is the guy I think is most likely to sign with the Suns next year.

The Spurs will have at least as much cap room as the Suns so forget about Ginobili as well!

 

[NDSunsfan]

Originally posted by scotsman13
I know everyone now wants to know what the Suns are going to due with their new-found cap room. The one FA that I was hearing that the Suns absoluelty covet is Manu Ginoboli. He played under D'Antoni overseas and this gives them the flexibility to go get him if they want to. The Spurs wont be able to match the offer is the Suns overpay for him. Anyways, that is the guy I think is most likely to sign with the Suns next year.

so they traded marbury so they could get ginoboli? i like ginoboli, but not that much. he is great in that 3rd option role. but marbs was option #1.

now if the suns clear enough space to get a giant stud free agent AND ginoboli, then i'm all for it.

brad

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by PHX Phan
in no way am i saying steph is anywhere near as good as an oneal or a duncan. I'm just saying consistancy with solid talent can build a winner. I felt that the core of marion steph and amare was solid and could have in the long run with the right role players been very sucessful in this league.

Maybe, but:

Marbury + Marion + a max deal for Amare + owner's strapped for cash = perenial first round exits.

This team, even at it's peak, wouldn't be contending for championships IMO....

Marbury will be vastly overpaid real soon. Marion is already vastly overpaid. Add in the max deal Amare will get, it would make it real difficult to contend with the Mavs, the Kings, etc.

 

[jbeecham]

Who knows, Amare & Marion could be out the door next for Mike Doleac and cap filler.

 

[King A]

and the worst of all:

Eisley at starting PG.

When were we last so weak at the 1???

 

[slinslin]

Ginobili isn't really playing better than JJ.

He better not be their main target.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well...

Thanks for playing here Stephon Marbury. You will be greatly missed.

Welcome back McNugget. Hopefully you do the right thing and sign for dirt cheap next year. If your knees hold up, you would be an asset.

The Suns are going international....

PG: Barbosa
SG: Vujanic
SF: Zarko
PF: Lampe
C: Podkolzine?

LOL.

As long as we have Marion and Amare we will be okay.

While you all may think that this draft is weak..we have been hearing this for years. I actually trust the Suns ability to draft. If they think that this year's draft is worth stockpiling these picks for, then I am willing to play wait and see.

 

[scotsman13]

i didnt come up with the Ginobili idea, but he is a good role player who has a better outside shot then jj. i would guess that we are going to see jj a lot more now. no penny, no marbury and a bunch of players who dont know the offense. like it or not jj is the man for a while.

 

[Goldfield]

I would be thrilled if we signed Ginobili... That guy can flat out play...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am willing to bet that JJ is the new starting PG.

I expect that Casey will play the 2 until Zarko comes back.

The Suns may actually be trying to go big?

 

[F-Dog]

Wow.

WOW.




OK, I'm starting to think about this now:


--I'm really going to miss Marbury. I had strong reservations when Phoenix first brought him in, but he overcame those with his heart and his play. Like Nash and Finley (and unlike Kidd), I expect I'll be rooting for Marbury from now on. Right now the NY Knicks are (gulp) my second-favorite team.

--I'll also miss Penny, if not his contract or some of his more obnoxious fans. He was a joy to watch at times, and he gave up a big chunk of his career by leading the Suns to a playoff series victory on a busted knee.


That said, if you have a trade between Isiah Thomas and Bryan Colangelo, and one of them got gypped, I would bet very strongly that Colangelo wasn't that guy. That's especially true with a trade that is as counter-intuitive (to put the best possible face on it) is this one.


The Suns obviously blew up their team here, which means IMO that they didn't see the team competing for a championship in 2005 or 2006, before Amare starts getting his big bucks. Here's what I think they got in return:


--First prize for the Suns has to be their own pick in this year's draft, which just jumped from #8-#10 to top 4. It would surprise me if the Suns haven't already identified their guy, and are now moving into position for him. (I still think that Splitter is the most likely candidate, though.)

--Second prize (or co-#1 prize) has to be Vujanic. Isiah doesn't know anything about Vujanic and doesn't want to know about him, but the Suns know as much about European ball (and point guards) as any NBA franchise. Isiah was looking to get snookered over Vujanic in any case, and if the Suns blew him away with an offer like this, that says to me that they were borderline desperate to keep other teams from getting their hands on him. I also have to believe that this is Vujanic's last year in Europe, as the Suns are much smoother with overseas contracts than Scott Layden has proven to be.

--Third prize is cap room. The Suns have $8m now, and they can manufacture more room if they want to--think the Jazz wouldn't mind having Eisley back, even at his salary? And Charlotte's expansion team--what are the chances they'll want to pick up Jahidi White's bulk, and his expiring contract? And if Kobe or Tracy McGrady is really the player at stake, I'm sure that there are a number of teams who would take other contracts (Trybanski?) to get Joe Johnson.

I don't actually think McGrady is a realistic target (and I hope it's not Kobe--I'd start rooting for another team if that happened) but I do think the Suns will go after a 'second-tier' player, either this year or next. I suppose that Manu Ginobili and Mehmet Okur are possibilities after this season.

--Fourth prize is the #1 picks, which are worth a great deal with the current rules of indentured servitude, er, rookie salary structure--especially with the Suns' front office pulling the trigger. Those picks are going to be Zarko picks, not Barbosa picks, and the Suns now have five of them in the next three years, in addition to this year's high-lottery pick.

As a (brand-new) Knicks fan, I can promise you that Isiah Thomas will keep screwing things up for our proud but maligned franchise, so those picks aren't going to drop too far.



I'm willing to give the Phoenix brain trust a lot of leeway. I'm hopeful this trade gives the Suns at least as much of a chance for future success as keeping Marbury would have.

I'm still sad to see Marbury go, though.

 

[slinslin]

Almost all brazilian fans think that Splitter will be a bust and Varejao the real deal.

 

[Espo]

i pray some how we land t-mac out of all of this. otherwise this sucks

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Originally posted by PHX Phan
i pray some how we land t-mac out of all of this. otherwise this sucks

I disagree, and I LOVE Marbury.

This trade makes a lot of sense for the Suns considering their attitude towards international players.

 

[King A]

so much for the largest thread...(as mentioned somewhere else)

and btw i think f-dog is right:

how often did we think the Cs blew it and then - badabah - it suddenly was a good trade.

and even more btw: ny sends us cash to buy out ward

 

[F-Dog]

Two more thoughts:


--Between the end of last season and right now, the Suns have completely changed their character. They've turned themselves from an American or street-style team (reliant on effort and athletic ability) to a Euro (or Dallas-style?) team, an offense-minded team with D'Antoni, Cabarkapa, and now Vujanic to go around Amare and Marion. It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of new foreign faces in the near future, either--Skita is obviously available, as is Houston's first-round pick of two years ago, whose name I have forgotten.


--I wish I still lived in Arizona, because I would love to go to Phoenix a few times, buy cheap tickets for Suns games, and boo myself hoarse every time McDyess touches the ball. That idiot earned a permanent place on my @#$% list when he killed the Suns' grand strategy a few years back to sign for less money with Denver, which was one of the worst organizations in the NBA before Kiki Vandeweghe.

I find I don't have any forgiveness to spare for McD.

 

[thirty-two]

Man, has anyone else gone through a gamut (sp?) of emotions this past hour?

I click on the Suns board and the first thing I read is Marbury got traded. WTF?!?!?!!? was my first reaction. But after calming down and reading everyone's thoughts... I don't think this trade is THAT bad. Granted, I will miss Marbury and Hardaway, but if this helps us in the long run, then it just might be worth it. I'm also interested in all of these international players and if there is another trade brewing before the C's are done.

This is a freaking rollercoaster!

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by slinslin
Almost all brazilian fans think that Splitter will be a bust and Varejao the real deal.

What do you know about this Lampe kid?

Isnt he a tall center that was a projected top 5 center in last years draft?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

hmm, finding out that lampe is included WITH the 2 first rounders makes me much more intrigued. look at it this way:

our team will suck much more this year, so we get a better pick.

we get out from under penny's contract.

we get vujanic's rights, possibly a stud.

we get lampe, possibly a stud.

we get two expiring contracts (though that's tempered by eisley's contract)

we get two first round picks.

we give up a top 3 pg. yes, i'll miss marbs.

we give up a servicable penny, who was overpaid.

we may end up smelling like a rose outta this yet.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by thirty-two
Man, has anyone else gone through a gamut (sp?) of emotions this past hour?

I click on the Suns board and the first thing I read is Marbury got traded. WTF?!?!?!!? was my first reaction. But after calming down and reading everyone's thoughts... I don't think this trade is THAT bad. Granted, I will miss Marbury and Hardaway, but if this helps us in the long run, then it just might be worth it. I'm also interested in all of these international players and if there is another trade brewing before the C's are done.

This is a freaking rollercoaster!

We sure did get alot of expiring contracts and draft picks.

Pluss 2 euro players that have potential.


This may turnout to be a better trade than it sounds.

Cap flexability, draft picks and some euro prospects. All for Marbury.


Penny was playing pretty well of late, but I think everyone would agree we HAVE to dump his contract if we could.

So we dump penny, tribanski(900k)

Gain several expiring contracts, 2 firstround draft picks, cash to buy out the one contract that doesnt expire, and two euro players that may be pretty good. All for Marbury.


This is starting to sound alot better to me.

 

[slinslin]

I have only seen him in summer league.

He looks like a little taller than Zarko, slower, not a good leaper, good touch, a little thicker.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
hmm, finding out that lampe is included WITH the 2 first rounders makes me much more intrigued. look at it this way:

our team will suck much more this year, so we get a better pick.

we get out from under penny's contract.

we get vujanic's rights, possibly a stud.

we get lampe, possibly a stud.

we get two expiring contracts (though that's tempered by eisley's contract)

we get two first round picks.

we give up a top 3 pg. yes, i'll miss marbs.

we give up a servicable penny, who was overpaid.

we may end up smelling like a rose outta this yet.

We got cash from NY that can buyout Eisley

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown


our team will suck much more this year, so we get a better pick.

Pfft...Cardinals fan!

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
hmm, finding out that lampe is included WITH the 2 first rounders makes me much more intrigued. look at it this way:

our team will suck much more this year, so we get a better pick.

we get out from under penny's contract.

we get vujanic's rights, possibly a stud.

we get lampe, possibly a stud.

we get two expiring contracts (though that's tempered by eisley's contract)

we get two first round picks.

we give up a top 3 pg. yes, i'll miss marbs.

we give up a servicable penny, who was overpaid.

we may end up smelling like a rose outta this yet.

another great post IMO your two for two

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Pfft...Cardinals fan!

classic. my mentality has carried over.