Langhi??
LOL Harsh man.
Suns to trade Marbury, according to KDUS
- Thread starter Krangodnzr
- Start date
Langhi??
LOL Harsh man.
I don't consider myself to be much of a scout. I'm merely looking at the situation and the Suns' need, which is a player who's good enough to play and big enough to play center (perimeter skills are a bonus), and who might turn out to be a steal at #5. (Forgot about Charlotte there, sorry).
Zarko doesn't have the frame to support 30 extra pounds (even if the weight wouldn't kill his quickness) and Amare isn't going to get any taller; neither player should be playing heavy minutes at center. Splitter has the height and is young enough that he might be able to put on the weight to play center.
The fact that Phoenix got Lampe in the deal too makes me less certain that the Suns have a particular player in mind for next year's draft, though.
If we were talking about the Knicks, I would agree with you that Vujanic will spend at least another year in Europe. However, the Suns have a great deal of experience with international contracts.
I'll be very surprised if Vujanic isn't wearing a Suns uniform next year.
My point is, if the Suns need to clear and extra $5m for Kobe or Tracy McGrady, they'll be able to get it done. If nothing else, they now have three tradeable first-round picks.
I agree that Okur is more available than Ginobili, but there have been whispers that the Spurs might try to bring Manu back next year at the MLE so they can go after another max player, and if that's the case, the Suns might have an opportunity to steal him.
thegrahamcrackr
Registered User
thegrahamcrackr
Registered User
lol, its alright, I didnt notice it earlier either
I actually posted a copy a few pages back in this thread too
I actually posted a copy a few pages back in this thread too
i read it when it was posted (the thread) but after checking again the espn website i thought there has to be a lot more on kobe in this article.
nevermind
so tonite it's stephon's last game in a phoenix uni. can't wait to see the box score....
nevermind
so tonite it's stephon's last game in a phoenix uni. can't wait to see the box score....
jbeecham
ASFN Addict
I doubt he or Hardaway play tonight.
thegrahamcrackr
Registered User
Definitely not. Especially since the trade is supposed to be approved tonight.
However, the knicks play on TNT on Thursday. So we will all get a chance to see him play either his first (next game is tomorrow, dunno if he will play) or second game then
However, the knicks play on TNT on Thursday. So we will all get a chance to see him play either his first (next game is tomorrow, dunno if he will play) or second game then
George O'Brien
ASFN Icon
What a wild day. Posts were being added faster than I could read them.
1. A few weeks ago someone was complaining about the financial disaster the Suns were facing in about 5 years when the tag end of the contracts of Marbury and Marion kick in. Perhaps the C's had second thoughts about how much Marbury is making and decided to cut their losses.
2. Marbury's play has been erratic this year. Several people on this board have suggested that he is not really a super star along the lines of AI, Kolbe, T-Mac, Ray Allen, etc. He takes too many ill advised 3's, he dribbles around too much, he doesn't push the ball on the break, and he is not a lock down defender. He gets a lot of assists, but he is not considered to be especially creative and makes bad passes on the break.
I liked a lot of what Marbury brought to the game, but maybe he really is overpaid.
3. Almost everyone on this board agreed that Penny was overpaid and his contract was a huge albatross. He can still play, but is at least $9 to 10 million too expensive. We don't know what the market is, but no one was going to take him unless they got a an awful lot along with him.
4. Charlie Ward is shooting 44.2% from the field including 42.8% for 3 pointers. He had 8.7 ppg and 4.9 apg in 23.6 minutes. He is supposed to be an excellant defender. There is a buyout clause, but I doubt they will use it.
5. Eisley is only hitting about 40% from the field but he gets 4.7 apg in 22.1 minutes. He is way too expensive, but might get moved with a pick.
6. Lampe was considered to be lottery pick until questions came up about his contractual status in Spain. His situation in New York was hopeless in that they had a lot of power forwards.
7. McDyess has been complaining about pain in his knee, but when he has played he is hitting 45.8% from the field and grabbing 6.6 rpg. In his last game against the Nets, he was 6-13 with 11 rebounds in 26 minutes.
8. By clearing up future future cap space, the Suns could afford to trade Googs, Eisley, & picks to a team looking to move an expensive player. Moving Googs made no sense before because they really needed his cap space.
9. CBS Sports Line reports that Trybanski will also be moved. Since his $1.7 million for next year was dead weight, this is a major plus.
Its a crap shoot. Milos Vujanic may not even join the team for a couple of years and Lampe is very young. If these guys are as good as the Suns think, then it will be a brilliant trade. If not, they all they will get is some cap space.
1. A few weeks ago someone was complaining about the financial disaster the Suns were facing in about 5 years when the tag end of the contracts of Marbury and Marion kick in. Perhaps the C's had second thoughts about how much Marbury is making and decided to cut their losses.
2. Marbury's play has been erratic this year. Several people on this board have suggested that he is not really a super star along the lines of AI, Kolbe, T-Mac, Ray Allen, etc. He takes too many ill advised 3's, he dribbles around too much, he doesn't push the ball on the break, and he is not a lock down defender. He gets a lot of assists, but he is not considered to be especially creative and makes bad passes on the break.
I liked a lot of what Marbury brought to the game, but maybe he really is overpaid.
3. Almost everyone on this board agreed that Penny was overpaid and his contract was a huge albatross. He can still play, but is at least $9 to 10 million too expensive. We don't know what the market is, but no one was going to take him unless they got a an awful lot along with him.
4. Charlie Ward is shooting 44.2% from the field including 42.8% for 3 pointers. He had 8.7 ppg and 4.9 apg in 23.6 minutes. He is supposed to be an excellant defender. There is a buyout clause, but I doubt they will use it.
5. Eisley is only hitting about 40% from the field but he gets 4.7 apg in 22.1 minutes. He is way too expensive, but might get moved with a pick.
6. Lampe was considered to be lottery pick until questions came up about his contractual status in Spain. His situation in New York was hopeless in that they had a lot of power forwards.
7. McDyess has been complaining about pain in his knee, but when he has played he is hitting 45.8% from the field and grabbing 6.6 rpg. In his last game against the Nets, he was 6-13 with 11 rebounds in 26 minutes.
8. By clearing up future future cap space, the Suns could afford to trade Googs, Eisley, & picks to a team looking to move an expensive player. Moving Googs made no sense before because they really needed his cap space.
9. CBS Sports Line reports that Trybanski will also be moved. Since his $1.7 million for next year was dead weight, this is a major plus.
Its a crap shoot. Milos Vujanic may not even join the team for a couple of years and Lampe is very young. If these guys are as good as the Suns think, then it will be a brilliant trade. If not, they all they will get is some cap space.
Last edited:
Goldfield
Formally known as BEERZ
Lampe is 18 years old. He is a guy who "might" be the center alot of people think we need. A guy who can shoot the 18 footer, he is 7' tall, who is big enough to grab afew rebounds.
He wont plug up the paint on "O" leaving more room for Amare to work.
Adding Milos Vujanic, a Steve Nash type PG that is 6'4", our team will be a much better shooting team.
Marbury, is very talented, but he hurt this athletic team when it comes to the fast break. That should be a strong point for this team. Marbury also does way too much dribbling. That alows the other team to set up their defence and get ready for Marbury to begin his move to the hoop.
I like Marbury, but I dont think he is what we need at PG.
He wont plug up the paint on "O" leaving more room for Amare to work.
Adding Milos Vujanic, a Steve Nash type PG that is 6'4", our team will be a much better shooting team.
Marbury, is very talented, but he hurt this athletic team when it comes to the fast break. That should be a strong point for this team. Marbury also does way too much dribbling. That alows the other team to set up their defence and get ready for Marbury to begin his move to the hoop.
I like Marbury, but I dont think he is what we need at PG.
Phill11
The Payphone Man
I'm disgusted with this trade. We trade our only hopefull all-star. I mean this is a DECENT Trade. I personally dont like it, since there really is nobody in the draft I'd really be intrested in going after, unless Ike and that High School kid enter. Bad trade, for now, IMO.
Look at this lineup...
PG- Joe Johnson
SG- Shawn Marion
SF- Zarko
PF- Antonio McDyess(sp?)
C- Amare Stoadmare
I would like to see this lineup. I mean, yeah nobody can really "Handle" the ball but, look thats 4 good young guys. This lineup would give us some hope for the future.
Look at this lineup...
PG- Joe Johnson
SG- Shawn Marion
SF- Zarko
PF- Antonio McDyess(sp?)
C- Amare Stoadmare
I would like to see this lineup. I mean, yeah nobody can really "Handle" the ball but, look thats 4 good young guys. This lineup would give us some hope for the future.
slinslin
Welcome to Amareca
We could likely not drop Eisley on Utah but don't you think the Jazz would probably take Jahidi White, Casey Jacobsen and the Knicks conditional pick in return for nothing or very little?
elindholm
edited for content
I'm visiting relatives and had to beg a laptop for this, so you'd all better appreciate my comments! 
This organization needs to make up its mind, find a plan, and stick with it. Every other move contradicts the direction of the previous one. They deal away Robinson to save some money, then decide they need Outlaw. They deal away Outlaw to save some money, then decide they need White.
They deal Kidd away to secure Marbury as their long-term star point guard, then sign him to a ridiculous extension when he unexpectedly leads the team to the playoffs, then dump him as soon as the team falters. They announce that Marion is part of their youthful core, then trade away the players that have helped him succeed.
The core is in place, the core isn't in place. They're saving money, they're trying to win now. Which is it?
Well, now we know for sure. This team is in for major, highly speculative rebuilding. My guess is that Marion will be traded this summer, once it becomes clear that he can't cut it as a primary option. I wouldn't get excited about either Lampe or Vujanic (?) -- Lampe couldn't earn time on the Knicks, and Vujanic may never come over to the NBA.
And the Bryant rumor? I doubt it. Why would Bryant want to come to the Suns? They have only one player who has the look of a winner, Stoudemire, and he's hardly a bankable commodity at this point.
The worst insult of all has to be the re-acquisition of McDyess. Sure, he'll probably spend most of his time on the IR and be gone at the end of the season. But still. It's as though the Suns organization is completely fixated on "what could have been" with the Kidd/McDyess core, and they've been running around like headless chickens ever since.
I was skeptical of the Suns' future, given their many huge contracts for not-quite-top talent. But at least they had talent, and at least the team wasn't going to be a long-term joke. Had Stoudemire emerged as a superstar, the Marbury/Stoudemire/Marion unit could have amounted to something. But now I fear that the pressure on Stoudemire will be too great for even his impressive heart.
Right now, this looks like the beginning of the end of the franchise. It will be years before the Suns are credible again. If fans weren't supporting the club before, they certainly aren't going to now.
And finally, I don't want to see a trade for McGrady. His career has "chronic back problems" written all over it.
It is a very sad day for Suns fans.
This organization needs to make up its mind, find a plan, and stick with it. Every other move contradicts the direction of the previous one. They deal away Robinson to save some money, then decide they need Outlaw. They deal away Outlaw to save some money, then decide they need White.
They deal Kidd away to secure Marbury as their long-term star point guard, then sign him to a ridiculous extension when he unexpectedly leads the team to the playoffs, then dump him as soon as the team falters. They announce that Marion is part of their youthful core, then trade away the players that have helped him succeed.
The core is in place, the core isn't in place. They're saving money, they're trying to win now. Which is it?
Well, now we know for sure. This team is in for major, highly speculative rebuilding. My guess is that Marion will be traded this summer, once it becomes clear that he can't cut it as a primary option. I wouldn't get excited about either Lampe or Vujanic (?) -- Lampe couldn't earn time on the Knicks, and Vujanic may never come over to the NBA.
And the Bryant rumor? I doubt it. Why would Bryant want to come to the Suns? They have only one player who has the look of a winner, Stoudemire, and he's hardly a bankable commodity at this point.
The worst insult of all has to be the re-acquisition of McDyess. Sure, he'll probably spend most of his time on the IR and be gone at the end of the season. But still. It's as though the Suns organization is completely fixated on "what could have been" with the Kidd/McDyess core, and they've been running around like headless chickens ever since.
I was skeptical of the Suns' future, given their many huge contracts for not-quite-top talent. But at least they had talent, and at least the team wasn't going to be a long-term joke. Had Stoudemire emerged as a superstar, the Marbury/Stoudemire/Marion unit could have amounted to something. But now I fear that the pressure on Stoudemire will be too great for even his impressive heart.
Right now, this looks like the beginning of the end of the franchise. It will be years before the Suns are credible again. If fans weren't supporting the club before, they certainly aren't going to now.
And finally, I don't want to see a trade for McGrady. His career has "chronic back problems" written all over it.
It is a very sad day for Suns fans.
Phill11
The Payphone Man
Why trade Casey?!?! He's youngt, can shot the three, and is a guard, which is what we need after trading Steph.
Absolutely heartbroken today...
Why trade Stephon???
When the other 11 guys on the active roster couldn't score, who did??? STEPHON.
Who was the only big time offensive threat who could get you 40+ points a game and give 8-10 assists??? STEPHON
Who was the guy who other teams knew they had to stop to win??? STEPHON
I don't understand at all. I guess this is part of yet another rebuilding project. Can't say that I understand it. I just never thought Stephon was the problem with this team, but maybe I'm biased.
Just got back from Phoenix and I even bought a new orange Suns' Stephon Marbury jersey on Saturday...
Still in shock, hope I'm dreaming
Why trade Stephon???
When the other 11 guys on the active roster couldn't score, who did??? STEPHON.
Who was the only big time offensive threat who could get you 40+ points a game and give 8-10 assists??? STEPHON
Who was the guy who other teams knew they had to stop to win??? STEPHON
I don't understand at all. I guess this is part of yet another rebuilding project. Can't say that I understand it. I just never thought Stephon was the problem with this team, but maybe I'm biased.
Just got back from Phoenix and I even bought a new orange Suns' Stephon Marbury jersey on Saturday...
Still in shock, hope I'm dreaming
George O'Brien
ASFN Icon
Trading Stephon was the price of getting rid of Penny's contract. I suspect that the Suns will have to give up picks and even a player to unload Eisley. That's cap economics.
Penny's contract was strangling the team. It is one thing to overpay by a couple of million, but he is overpaid by about $10 million a year. The Suns were no where close to being able to pay for a free agent - and certainly not if the luxury tax remained in place. When you are expected to pay $55 million plus next year for a team that can't make the playoffs, something is wrong.
The other issue is just how valuable Marbury is. For example,
1 How much are the Suns current problems a function of the team being too dependent on Marbury breaking down opponents and getting to the basket? Even weak defensive teams like Toronto have figured out how to stop that.
2. On offense, he dribbled around too much. Everybody in the arean knows what he is trying to do and he was always slow at passing out of the double team.
3. Marbury is not a very good outside shooter, yet he takes an awful lot of long jumpers in the early offense. On a team with Marbury, Marion, and Johnson all being better at going to the basket, everyone just packed it in the paint. Stephon should benefit a lot from playing with Houston who is a great jump shooter.
4. Marbury never learned how to run the break. He is OK as a closer, but usually passed too early or too late when handling the ball. Often he would pull it back, rather than push into the paint.
Don't get me wrong, I wish he was still with the team. But his play can be awfully frustrating.
Penny's contract was strangling the team. It is one thing to overpay by a couple of million, but he is overpaid by about $10 million a year. The Suns were no where close to being able to pay for a free agent - and certainly not if the luxury tax remained in place. When you are expected to pay $55 million plus next year for a team that can't make the playoffs, something is wrong.
The other issue is just how valuable Marbury is. For example,
1 How much are the Suns current problems a function of the team being too dependent on Marbury breaking down opponents and getting to the basket? Even weak defensive teams like Toronto have figured out how to stop that.
2. On offense, he dribbled around too much. Everybody in the arean knows what he is trying to do and he was always slow at passing out of the double team.
3. Marbury is not a very good outside shooter, yet he takes an awful lot of long jumpers in the early offense. On a team with Marbury, Marion, and Johnson all being better at going to the basket, everyone just packed it in the paint. Stephon should benefit a lot from playing with Houston who is a great jump shooter.
4. Marbury never learned how to run the break. He is OK as a closer, but usually passed too early or too late when handling the ball. Often he would pull it back, rather than push into the paint.
Don't get me wrong, I wish he was still with the team. But his play can be awfully frustrating.
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2003
- Posts
- 221
- Reaction score
- 0
And what happens if you don't get Kobe Bryant this summer? Let's say the Lakers win a 4th championship this year, Kobe resigns, and does what will probably happen. Then what?
The bottom line is, the Suns were one of the worst teams record wise with the second best point guard in the NBA. Now, they have one of the lower echelon starting point guards, JJ at the two, Marion at the three, Amare at the 4, and a Scott Williamsless center position because D'Antoni thinks anybody that can legally drink in the US is too old.
For those of you who think you got McDyess back, think again. You thought Penny was slow.. Antonio used to be one of the most athletic forwards in the game, but no longer. He is still experiencing pains in his knee, and is, well, Penny Hardawayesque when it comes to leaping ability.
I'm glad the Suns are going to have a lot of cap space at the end of this season so now Jerry Colangelo can wipe his a$$ with 100 dollar bills instead of 50s and 20s rolled together, but that's all they're going to be doing with that money. Even if JC wanted to spend some of his money, which is unlikely, why would anybody want to come to the Phoenix Suns. This is the same Suns team, mind you, who bamboozled Stephon Marbury into signing off the rest of his career to this franchise only to be traded away. Yeah, right, I can see it now:
BC: Hey Kobe, you wanna come sign with us? You can sign a 7 year deal, then we'll ask you the place you'd least like to go, based on old relationships with players (Van Horn, anyone?) and climate conditions, so you can spend the rest of your playing days there in misery.
Kobe: Where do I sign?
The bottom line is, the Suns were one of the worst teams record wise with the second best point guard in the NBA. Now, they have one of the lower echelon starting point guards, JJ at the two, Marion at the three, Amare at the 4, and a Scott Williamsless center position because D'Antoni thinks anybody that can legally drink in the US is too old.
For those of you who think you got McDyess back, think again. You thought Penny was slow.. Antonio used to be one of the most athletic forwards in the game, but no longer. He is still experiencing pains in his knee, and is, well, Penny Hardawayesque when it comes to leaping ability.
I'm glad the Suns are going to have a lot of cap space at the end of this season so now Jerry Colangelo can wipe his a$$ with 100 dollar bills instead of 50s and 20s rolled together, but that's all they're going to be doing with that money. Even if JC wanted to spend some of his money, which is unlikely, why would anybody want to come to the Phoenix Suns. This is the same Suns team, mind you, who bamboozled Stephon Marbury into signing off the rest of his career to this franchise only to be traded away. Yeah, right, I can see it now:
BC: Hey Kobe, you wanna come sign with us? You can sign a 7 year deal, then we'll ask you the place you'd least like to go, based on old relationships with players (Van Horn, anyone?) and climate conditions, so you can spend the rest of your playing days there in misery.
Kobe: Where do I sign?
Yeah Mr. Whitlock. The Phoenix Suns "bamboozled" Marbury into signing that contract. He should be thanking the hell out of them because it was too much to pay him.
Joe mama
Joe mama
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
wow, hello bitterboy. kobe is a POSSIBILITY, not a probability. but that's a good gamble. high upside. and you think steph is mad at being sent to nyc . . . HIS HOME? c'mon man, wake up. besides, phx was ALWAYS a free agent destination. or do you not remember the days of free agents signing here for less?
also, mcdyess' only value is his expiring contract. no one expects anything other than that from him.
why such hatred towards the colangeli? they've always tried to balance making money and putting a winner on the floor. are you a disgruntled former employee?
CardsFan88
ASFN Addict
- Joined
- May 28, 2002
- Posts
- 7,642
- Reaction score
- 4,742
I don't know what to think of this trade.
It all is based on "potential"
We get rid of a guy in steph who is always #2 or #3 in assists behind kidd, yet can score too.
We get rid of a guy who is playing rather well and is a good role player in Penny, but with his contract...good ridance, sorry it didn't work out...good luck being overpaid elsewhere.
What we get.
2 first round picks. One potential lottery pick, one protected pick....Of course we have our own pick too, which has a chance to be #1-#9, besides the bobcats pick.
We seem to have one of the best drafting track records over the last ten years. Ceballos, Stephen Jackson (a little early), Nash, Finley, Amare, Marion, Zarko, Barbosa, Jacobsen (is servicable), etc....And remember we traded away about 4 first round picks too.
So we now may be able to have 2 lottery picks (ours and NY's) if NY stinks it up the rest of the season, and possibly clevelands if they make the playoffs.
With our track record of picking great players stateside, and with our expansion into europe by hiring people who know the europe game and its best players, we have a great shot at drafting well...At the same time, the picks haven't been made yet, you could be 1 spot back of the player you want at each pick, and with the string of successes, we are due for some failure. But of course with the talent scouts we have this risk is still minimal.
Now, with the players.
Someone had a I wanna kll fortson signature, well, most of us probably feel the same or close to the same about McDeuche.
I hope we boo and boo and boo him, make him feel unwanted....then after a while maybe we let up, but I don't know..I'll reserve final judgement for later....Pretty much because of him we scrambled to get penny and googs....Plus mcDeuche's injury was freak if I remember so he wouldn't have necessarily pennied his career with injuries. So the oh he got hurt thing doesn't fly with me. If we resign him, it better be a 3 year 3 million dollar contract, and he better like it, and agree to do all the janitorial duty too.
Ok now...
Lampe or whatever is 18 years old, 19 in feb. so he can possibly grow another inch, and add on close to 30-40 lbs if we want from his current 6'11 240 lbs frame. Guy was supposed to be picked about 4th to 7th overall but contract issues dropped him to round two...Could be a great, great, great steal, or could be a bust.
Milos pg guy from europe is 23 and like everyone has been saying is the best european player....No logjam at point guard here, which is the rumored reason for not playing for the knicks, so he could be here next year. Could be a great, great, monumental steal, or could be a bust.
Ward and Eisley...well ward is probably gone....he is a good player, eisley is pretty good too. He may be overpaid, but not nearly as penny.
Trybanski makes 1.7 mill a year, could be talented but we never really saw him....I'd much rather have lampe than trybanski, by a FAR FAR FAR margin.
So in essence we give up an Allstar, and a has been, and a probably never will be.
For
A benedict Arnold
Decent guard in eisley
Potential perrenial Allstar PG in Milos
Potentail great player in Lampe
Potential greatness-roleplayers in the 2 picks based on our draft recordd
Plus cap space to sign a top flight guy
This could turn out to be the best trade ever in the NBA...for us.
Or it could turn out to be a very good trade for NY.
It all depends on potential, which is why I'm shaking my head a bit...and don't know what to think.
Plus when you think of the expansion draft....I'm not sure the specifics but generally speaking you can keep 9 or 10 players protected, and then the rest are open. (One thing that could put a cog in this next analysis is when the expansion draft is held...before or after the draft?)
With
Amare
Marion
Barbosa
Zarko
Lampe
Milus
Jacobsen
Joe Johnson
Voshkul
2-3 first round picks
+ whoever we sign with the cap space
Does anyone see a problem here...I don't wanna lose one of these guys. If we do, we lose the equity from any of the trades we made to get these guys, which other than jacobsen is everyone on that list besides who we sign this offseason or who we pickup in free agency
Where to eisely or Mcdueche fit in?
And even if we don't lose our best players then its bye bye harvey, jahidi, etc basically nullifying our recent trades involving brevin knight, outlaw, 2nd round pick etc.
There HAS to be another trade around the corner, because otherwise we may needlessly lose some pretty good talent.
Only time will tell. We may hate this trade in two years, we may love it. I'll trust the management right now.
Anyways go SUNS!!!!
It all is based on "potential"
We get rid of a guy in steph who is always #2 or #3 in assists behind kidd, yet can score too.
We get rid of a guy who is playing rather well and is a good role player in Penny, but with his contract...good ridance, sorry it didn't work out...good luck being overpaid elsewhere.
What we get.
2 first round picks. One potential lottery pick, one protected pick....Of course we have our own pick too, which has a chance to be #1-#9, besides the bobcats pick.
We seem to have one of the best drafting track records over the last ten years. Ceballos, Stephen Jackson (a little early), Nash, Finley, Amare, Marion, Zarko, Barbosa, Jacobsen (is servicable), etc....And remember we traded away about 4 first round picks too.
So we now may be able to have 2 lottery picks (ours and NY's) if NY stinks it up the rest of the season, and possibly clevelands if they make the playoffs.
With our track record of picking great players stateside, and with our expansion into europe by hiring people who know the europe game and its best players, we have a great shot at drafting well...At the same time, the picks haven't been made yet, you could be 1 spot back of the player you want at each pick, and with the string of successes, we are due for some failure. But of course with the talent scouts we have this risk is still minimal.
Now, with the players.
Someone had a I wanna kll fortson signature, well, most of us probably feel the same or close to the same about McDeuche.
I hope we boo and boo and boo him, make him feel unwanted....then after a while maybe we let up, but I don't know..I'll reserve final judgement for later....Pretty much because of him we scrambled to get penny and googs....Plus mcDeuche's injury was freak if I remember so he wouldn't have necessarily pennied his career with injuries. So the oh he got hurt thing doesn't fly with me. If we resign him, it better be a 3 year 3 million dollar contract, and he better like it, and agree to do all the janitorial duty too.
Ok now...
Lampe or whatever is 18 years old, 19 in feb. so he can possibly grow another inch, and add on close to 30-40 lbs if we want from his current 6'11 240 lbs frame. Guy was supposed to be picked about 4th to 7th overall but contract issues dropped him to round two...Could be a great, great, great steal, or could be a bust.
Milos pg guy from europe is 23 and like everyone has been saying is the best european player....No logjam at point guard here, which is the rumored reason for not playing for the knicks, so he could be here next year. Could be a great, great, monumental steal, or could be a bust.
Ward and Eisley...well ward is probably gone....he is a good player, eisley is pretty good too. He may be overpaid, but not nearly as penny.
Trybanski makes 1.7 mill a year, could be talented but we never really saw him....I'd much rather have lampe than trybanski, by a FAR FAR FAR margin.
So in essence we give up an Allstar, and a has been, and a probably never will be.
For
A benedict Arnold
Decent guard in eisley
Potential perrenial Allstar PG in Milos
Potentail great player in Lampe
Potential greatness-roleplayers in the 2 picks based on our draft recordd
Plus cap space to sign a top flight guy
This could turn out to be the best trade ever in the NBA...for us.
Or it could turn out to be a very good trade for NY.
It all depends on potential, which is why I'm shaking my head a bit...and don't know what to think.
Plus when you think of the expansion draft....I'm not sure the specifics but generally speaking you can keep 9 or 10 players protected, and then the rest are open. (One thing that could put a cog in this next analysis is when the expansion draft is held...before or after the draft?)
With
Amare
Marion
Barbosa
Zarko
Lampe
Milus
Jacobsen
Joe Johnson
Voshkul
2-3 first round picks
+ whoever we sign with the cap space
Does anyone see a problem here...I don't wanna lose one of these guys. If we do, we lose the equity from any of the trades we made to get these guys, which other than jacobsen is everyone on that list besides who we sign this offseason or who we pickup in free agency
Where to eisely or Mcdueche fit in?
And even if we don't lose our best players then its bye bye harvey, jahidi, etc basically nullifying our recent trades involving brevin knight, outlaw, 2nd round pick etc.
There HAS to be another trade around the corner, because otherwise we may needlessly lose some pretty good talent.
Only time will tell. We may hate this trade in two years, we may love it. I'll trust the management right now.
Anyways go SUNS!!!!
