Suns trade for Beal

[taz02]

An owner willing and able to spend is going to be great for us but I still believe we're due for some really bad years not too far down the road. Hopefully though Beal will still be a star level player long enough to minimize those bad years.

The future does look rough. I suspect the thinking is, if we can't win in the next 2-3 years, we will be in full rebuild mode, including trading Booker.

 

[Hoop Head]

The future does look rough. I suspect the thinking is, if we can't win in the next 2-3 years, we will be in full rebuild mode, including trading Booker.

We'll know how Washington fans felt also being stuck with Beal and his No Trade Clause.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The future does look rough. I suspect the thinking is, if we can't win in the next 2-3 years, we will be in full rebuild mode, including trading Booker.

Yeah, the future does look rough but there is a little bit of hope now IMO.

The KD trade put us in serious jeopardy of a horrible stretch for much of the next decade with the idea/dream that we could win it all this year or maybe next year. So, once KD really declines that likely leaves 5 to 8 highly problematic seasons. But that was before the Beal deal. Bradley is injury prone, another risk we just don't need, but a healthy version of him could extend our relevance and greatly reduce our down years. And if we enjoy better than expected health, we won't need to trade Devin to start our rebuild.

 

[Covert Rain]

This new CBA really sucks.

Just our luck we finally have a deep pockets owner and the league drops the new CBA. I am sure Ishbia is dissapointed as well. However, he appears to be willing to blow through the apron.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah, the future does look rough but there is a little bit of hope now IMO.

The KD trade put us in serious jeopardy of a horrible stretch for much of the next decade with the idea/dream that we could win it all this year or maybe next year. So, once KD really declines that likely leaves 5 to 8 highly problematic seasons. But that was before the Beal deal. Bradley is injury prone, another risk we just don't need, but a healthy version of him could extend our relevance and greatly reduce our down years. And if we enjoy better than expected health, we won't need to trade Devin to start our rebuild.

I was a bit more optimistic because we still have 1st round picks every other year but Beal does change everything IMO if he stays healthy. I think this was the Suns looking beyond KD.

 

[Yuma]

I was a bit more optimistic because we still have 1st round picks every other year but Beal does change everything IMO if he stays healthy. I think this was the Suns looking beyond KD.

Beal's and Booker's contracts end the same time. So this gives Book a weapon beyond KD. As you said we still have first round picks, will be developing guys in G League, and this year looks like we are using our Summer League as a mini G League to see if we want to sign any of these guys, plus free agency has not started and almost everyone is saying vet min guys have Phoenix listed as their first destination. We will resign some guys we had last year, too. I have no worries we will be filling out that roster. Can't wait to see what Vogel does with Toumani Camara. Guy looks legit as a defender.

 

[Phrazbit]

The future does look rough. I suspect the thinking is, if we can't win in the next 2-3 years, we will be in full rebuild mode, including trading Booker.

Not an option. We can't blow up the team and start from scratch when we don't control our own picks. They've got to do whatever they can to stay in the mix until 2031.

 

[Hoop Head]

Not an option. We can't blow up the team and start from scratch when we don't control our own picks. They've got to do whatever they can to stay in the mix until 2031.

We also can't deal Beal for much of a return, as seen this off-season. His NTC is in effect through the duration of his extension.

 

[Yuma]

We also can't deal Beal for much of a return, as seen this off-season. His NTC is in effect through the duration of his extension.

We are trading for a player in his prime, probably wouldn't be trying to trade him in four years anyway.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

Saw some questions of what number Beal would wear, he'll be #3 as a Sun. Continuing the lineage Ariza started when he signed. He was dealt for Oubre (#3), who was traded for Paul (#3), who brought us Beal in a trade.

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[JCSunsfan]

Not an option. We can't blow up the team and start from scratch when we don't control our own picks. They've got to do whatever they can to stay in the mix until 2031.

Sure we can. Trade players for picks. Picks with swaps can be traded as well.

 

[Folster]

Question for the cap experts:

How were the Suns able to trade for Beal?

During the KD rumors I recall there being a lot of talk about teams not being able to trade for 2 supermax players which was preventing Brooklyn from being able to trade with Miami for Bam because they already had traded for Simmons who is on the super max.

How were we able to trade for Beal when we already traded for KD? Is it because it only applies to the rookie super max extension or is it because Durant is technically not on a super max or something?

Thanks.

 

[Hoop Head]

Question for the cap experts:

How were the Suns able to trade for Beal?

During the KD rumors I recall there being a lot of talk about teams not being able to trade for 2 supermax players which was preventing Brooklyn from being able to trade with Miami for Bam because they already had traded for Simmons who is on the super max.

How were we able to trade for Beal when we already traded for KD? Is it because it only applies to the rookie super max extension or is it because Durant is technically not on a super max or something?

Thanks.

It has to do with Designated Rookie Max Extensions. I believe they've been eliminated from the new CBA. Before a team could only have 2 at a time but now Beal and KD are longer on their Rookie Max Extensions. Those were deals signed after rookie deals. Those 5 years created issues around the league and it won't be an issue any longer.

 

[Proximo]

We also can't deal Beal for much of a return, as seen this off-season. His NTC is in effect through the duration of his extension.

He gets much more tradeable the closer his contract gets to concluding - CP3 being able to be moved is an example.

Basically we just have to think of the team being locked in for the next 3 years, but after that KD and Ayton's deals expire, and Beal is tradeable. As long as Phoenix can remain attractive to free agents we aren't totally screwed even without our picks. Now of course to do that will probably require a fair amount of success.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He gets much more tradeable the closer his contract gets to concluding - CP3 being able to be moved is an example.

Basically we just have to think of the team being locked in for the next 3 years, but after that KD and Ayton's deals expire, and Beal is tradeable. As long as Phoenix can remain attractive to free agents we aren't totally screwed even without our picks. Now of course to do that will probably require a fair amount of success.

Beal will be harder to deal because of his no trade clause. I suppose it's not that he will be hard to move, but that we likely won't get any value in return.

 

[Mainstreet]

Beal will be harder to deal because of his no trade clause. I suppose it's not that he will be hard to move, but that we likely won't get any value in return.

If and when that time comes, let's hope Beal gives the Suns a longer list of teams to choose from.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He gets much more tradeable the closer his contract gets to concluding - CP3 being able to be moved is an example.

Basically we just have to think of the team being locked in for the next 3 years, but after that KD and Ayton's deals expire, and Beal is tradeable. As long as Phoenix can remain attractive to free agents we aren't totally screwed even without our picks. Now of course to do that will probably require a fair amount of success.

Beal's injury risks and possible decline, his contract (length and dollars), his no trade clause and Phoenix being his destination of choice created an opportunity that won't often be repeated (if at all).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Beal's injury risks and possible decline, his contract (length and dollars), his no trade clause and Phoenix being his destination of choice created an opportunity that won't often be repeated (if at all).

True. But cp3’s contract was traded not once, but twice within a short span of time. The no trade clause is the big sticker.

 

[AzStevenCal]

True. But cp3’s contract was traded not once, but twice within a short span of time. The no trade clause is the big sticker.

It is, and the timing. I'm not so sure that contract will have the same appeal after everything kicks in with the new CBA.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It is, and the timing. I'm not so sure that contract will have the same appeal after everything kicks in with the new CBA.

It will when it is getting ready to expire. Though it means we would be taking back multi year contracts that add up to Beal's contract anyways.

 

[Absolute Zero]

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Kind of disrespectfull in my view to throw Shamet into the thank you to CP3.

Kind of like saying, we want to thank Abraham Lincoln and Joe Schmoe for their contributions in the emancipation of the slaves.

 

[nashman]

Kind of disrespectfull in my view to throw Shamet into the thank you to CP3.

Kind of like saying, we want to thank Abraham Lincoln and Joe Schmoe for their contributions in the emancipation of the slaves.

Nah Shamet doesn’t deserve a personalized message he’s been stealing from us for long enough good riddance!