Suns trade out of 21

[NastyOne]

There is no back-up for Nash. The Suns should be alright while he's resting during games, but what happens if he misses games? I really wish they would have kept Sergio thinking about it, it's not like keeping him would have cost that much and it would be a legit pg for Nash to groom.

Yes we have depth at Forward, but thats it.

No good centers left were on the board, but there was a glut of quality point guards to be taken, and everyone knows we need a backup for Nash.

I'm not talking about anyone great, but someone with potential that can sub for him right now for about 12-15mins per night.

Marcus Williams,Sergio Rodriguez,Shannon Brown,Jordan Farmer or Rajon Rondo would have been perfect for that, but we decided to go the cheap and sell the picks.

 

[NastyOne]

Sounds to me like there are some very smart people making the decisions. Good thing it's them & not emotional fans who run the show.

Yes cause its so smart to save 1.8Million Dollars instead of drafting the best PG in this years draft, when you know you have a 33 year old pointguard that wore down in the playoffs from playing too many minutes.

Thats not smart, its being cheap.

 

[George O'Brien]

For a long time there has a been an issue about whether teams are allowed to talk to their own players who are up for free agency. Supposedly it is against the rules and it is absolutely impossible to enforce. My point is, I am quite sure the Suns already have a deal in place to re-sign TT.

None of the guys on the board were likely to be more than spot role player/projects. Getting Grant off the payroll at $1.8 million and no guaranteed contracts for two first rounders saved the Suns a bit more. Plus, buy getting money from Portland, there is something to pay TT with. (The draft don't make much more than guys with rookie free agent contracts, but they would be on the books in the future) If they don't have a deal in place, they still have their MLE which would not be used without these deals.

It is curious how people were willing to all but give Marion away to save money but get upset when they decide to save money to keep their core together.

 

[SunsTzu]

Sounds to me like there are some very smart people making the decisions. Good thing it's them & not emotional fans who run the show.

I think D'Antoni has one of if not the best basketball minds in the league, that and the faith I have in the scouts the Suns employ are why I wasn't upset when BC left. However not knowing his master plan and looking at the roster you have to admit the Suns have a major need at back up pg/pg of the future and we can't do anything but speculate.

 

[TBaslim]

Here's another way to look at this: draft picks are assets.

Yes, they are exciting potential and young players and stuff. I personally love the draft and following how everyone does over the years.

But from a team roster/cost/cap mgmt perspective, they are assets.

The Suns had the 21 and 27 picks in a draft they felt was 15 players deep. They had to pay for those assets (2 1st round contracts) if they picked players with them. They clearly didn't want to sink that much cap space into those 2 picks in this draft.

So, they tried to sell those assets at fair price to get into that list of 15. Didn't happen, so they sold the assets for essentially their base value - cap cash.

This whole thing is dependant on who they add with the cash value of those assets.

 

[playstation]

For a long time there has a been an issue about whether teams are allowed to talk to their own players who are up for free agency. Supposedly it is against the rules and it is absolutely impossible to enforce. My point is, I am quite sure the Suns already have a deal in place to re-sign TT.

None of the guys on the board were likely to be more than spot role player/projects. Getting Grant off the payroll at $1.8 million and no guaranteed contracts for two first rounders saved the Suns a bit more. Plus, buy getting money from Portland, there is something to pay TT with. (The draft don't make much more than guys with rookie free agent contracts, but they would be on the books in the future) If they don't have a deal in place, they still have their MLE which would not be used without these deals.

It is curious how people were willing to all but give Marion away to save money but get upset when they decide to save money to keep their core together.

here is the problem with this:

the suns can't just trot out 9 players next year. they have to sign SOMEONE, don't they? why not take a guy making damn near the minimum, who is young, and has a chance to improve by playing with a nash rather than just some scrub for the minimum.

 

[Wally]

Sounds to me like there are some very smart people making the decisions. Good thing it's them & not emotional fans who run the show.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

we will have 3 first's next year in a deep draft and maybe as high as #4

don't even bring up the "maybe as high as #4" pick 'cuz we already had that! it does NOT factor into this draft.

the two other picks we'll have next year will be end of the first round worthless - cleveland's pick will be 25th or worse and our's will be worse than that.

and we'll probably trade away all three 'cuz we need to sign someone we already have on our roster.

sarver is continuing to support my contention that he's a boob. i can't wait to see him lose barbs, diaw, or tt, or any combination or all of them. he may prove me wrong, but so far the evidence continues to pile up against his "i wanna win" tag line.

 

[TBaslim]

It is curious how people were willing to all but give Marion away to save money but get upset when they decide to save money to keep their core together.

Draft Day is great. Makes even the calmest fan crazy. I think it's all the pre-draft research that does it...part of the fun part, but most the time it can inflate the value of an average draft pick.

Of course, sometimes the fans are right, like when everyone wanted Amare.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

27 for cash


we saved over 3 mil in this draft

"we?" do i get some of my cash back that i spent on my playoff tickets? boob and his cronies save the cash.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

It is curious how people were willing to all but give Marion away to save money but get upset when they decide to save money to keep their core together.

Chalk me up to one who did not want to see Marion traded, unless the price was worthy. I too got disturbed at how many people wanted to pack this guy off for the first bag of chips they got their hands on.

 

[jlove]

From whats happened and the money gotten in return from the picks and the roster spots that are open, I have a feeling that Marion is going to be traded, bringing in more money in return. Maybe filling out 3-4 roster spots for just him.

 

[Evil Ash]

From whats happened and the money gotten in return from the picks and the roster spots that are open, I have a feeling that Marion is going to be traded, bringing in more money in return. Maybe filling out 3-4 roster spots for just him.

Before this upcoming season? Doubtful

After that I say its possible

 

[jbeecham]

We saved quite a bit more than 3 mil because draft picks are usually paid more than the minimum slotted salary:

Grant: 1.8 mil
#21: 1.2 - 1.5 mil
#27: 0.8mil - 1mil

Min Savings: 3.8 mil
Max Savings: 4.3 mil

Plus more can be saved depending on what House does:

House: Possibly 0.9 mil saved if he doesn't excersize his option

Of course we'll need to sign a vet min PG & SG so that takes some of that savings away.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yet they're going to trade the chance to get these guys for what?? Hopes that they can free up cash to re-sign Tim Thomas? Sounds like the same used up excuse that they put on us last year with Joe Johnson.

ding, ding, ding, ding! give the man a prize. you read my mind. more promises that go unfulfilled? does he really think we'll somehow luck out AGAIN with someone else's trash the way we did with diaw??? how the hell does this boob run a biz successfully? and i ask that full in the knowledge that from a monetary standpoint he's making potentially ('cuz who really knows) wise decisions for the franchise, but in the nba the currency is NOT supposed to be making money, it is supposed to be WINNING and cashing in when you sell the team. capital returns, NOT income. if you want to earn income you go into other businesses, NOT sports ownership.

 

[jlove]

how do expect the Suns to pick up 4-5 roster spots with no money to spend it on? The Suns are 10 deep without House and TT.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've got no problem with this draft IF and ONLY IF all of the following happens:

KT, TT AND LEO are all on the squad come next season.

If we look like this next year:

Nash
Bell
Marion
Amare
KT/Boris

Bench:
Leo
Boris/KT
TT
James Jones

than I'm happy as a clam.

That team has more depth at G than the 2004-5 team with Nash, JJ and Barbosa who couldn't get off the bench and the depth at F/C is just disgusting.

Not to mention the fact that we still have atl's #1 next year in the deepest draft in ages.

This team is loaded up and ready to go next year, with the lure of a high pick next year to start the bridging process to the next era.

However, if all of the abvoe doesn't happen, then Sarver's a freaking chepa ass boob.

 

[CaptainInsano]

The simple fact is, we really REALLY could have used a backup point guard for Nash this year AND to groom for the future. Now with sarver pulling this bull because he doesn't want to go a million or two over the cap we are on a serious timeclock this year for a championship.

The weak draft argument held some weight BEFORE no one selected williams...

Looks like diaw might resume some PG duties, thats our only hope.

 

[George O'Brien]

We saved quite a bit more than 3 mil:

Grant: 1.8 mil
#21: 1.2 - 1.5 mil
#27: 0.8mil - 1mil

Min Savings: 3.8 mil
Max Savings: 4.3 mil

Plus more can be saved depending on what House does:

House: Possibly 0.9 mil saved if he doesn't excersize his option

Actually you don't save all that. Every team MUST carry 13 players, so the real savings is the difference between the salary and the rookie minimum. (The Vet minimum is a bit different but I'm not sure I can explain how it works, but my understanding is that the league subsidizes it a bit).

None the less, the savings for Grant is at least a million to $1.2 - which is worth $2.4 due to luxury tax.

 

[slinslin]

The Suns get a F for this draft.

Failed to trade up to get guys the like.
Failed to find quality that was available.
Failed to PAY, cheap bastards.

The Suns have messed up every draft and draft pick since Shawn Marion the exception being Amare Stoudemire.

How do you pass on Marcus Williams with a cheap pick like that... unbelievable

 

[hsandhu]

The suns have a very good history of scouting. Do you think they passed on Marcus Williams with the thoughts that he could be a really good player?

If they thought he could be good, they would've taken him. Doesn't mean he wont be good, just that they are not very high on him.

 

[George O'Brien]

The Suns kept saying that they did not want to pick up a guy who would not contribute immediately.

BTW, one of the odd parts about this discussion is that I don't think the Suns scouted Marcus Williams much. No one imagined he would fall that far, so they may have been gun shy about a guy they did not really know.

 

[TBaslim]

The Suns have messed up every draft and draft pick since Shawn Marion the exception being Amare Stoudemire.

? So trading to pick Barbs at #28 in 03 was a bad move?

 

[PhxGametime]

Man I think next year, we'll Trade Hawks Pick for a future conditional 2nd Rounder and $3 Million cash...

 

[slinslin]

Man I think next year, we'll Trade Hawks Pick for a future conditional 2nd Rounder and $3 Million cash...

No we will just have to trade our picks to get rid of Kurt Thomas, Shawn Marion etc since next year we will be DESPERATE to get out of the luxury tax territory.