Suns trade out of 21

[JS22]

Good thing you guys dont run the Suns.

 

[NastyOne]

So 3 years and counting now without selecting a player in the first round, and just about everytime we trade the pick its for a future pick which we then trade the next year too!

And we wonder why we have no real depth.

Atleast make the picks apart of a trade that will help us in the upcoming season.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Suns passed on two legit PGs. One who has a history of being unselfish and hitting big shots and another who would be a massive upgrade over Nash defensively right now for a couple million bucks.

Looks like Stevie better get used to logging 35 minutes per game again. Not to worry Sarver, Nash isn't getting older or anything.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Good thing you guys dont run the Suns.

It's kinda hard to get pumped up when this **** happens three drafts in a row. I'm a Sarver defender, but I really don't like the direction the drafts have gone. Shannon Brown on the clock, Marcus Williams on the clock, Josh Boone on the clock, Jordan Farmar on the clock, plenty of talent was there. Any one of them would have made a big impact for the Suns, yet they're going to trade the chance to get these guys for what?? Hopes that they can free up cash to re-sign Tim Thomas? Sounds like the same used up excuse that they put on us last year with Joe Johnson.

 

[NastyOne]

The Suns can still use their MLE too.

I'll believe it when i see it.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I know, signing Tim Thomas is "top priority", but how are we to know he's not going to revert back to pre-Suns form with a new contract in hand? Obviously the guy is going to put his best foot forward making the bare minimum because he's going to want to make an impression on the other teams out there in hopes that one of them will throw a decent chunk of change at him, thinking he's finally lived up to those lofty draft expectations, and hoping that he's finally showing that he's capable of playing up to the max level contract he was signed to several years ago.

So, question looms.. Thomas is from Jersey.. Suppose the Nets want to throw some cash at him, and the Suns are stuck holding the bill? This is all for naught.

 

[NastyOne]

I hope Tim Thomas signs with another team for more money just so this trade bites Sarver in the ass.

 

[Billy Bob]

D'antoni made the trades not Sarver.
bitch all you want, but anyone who follows closely knows the past three years of trades know this will take us to the next level by clearing cap space to sign free agents with less risk...... this was a weak draft.

 

[Bada0Bing]

D'antoni made the trades not Sarver.
bitch all you want, but anyone who follows closely knows the past three years of trades will take us to the next level by clearing cap space to sign free agents with less risk...... this was a weak draft.

How does this clear cap space? We're already over the cap without these picks.

 

[TBaslim]

You guys are pretty funny...

Look - the draft is fun as a fan and all, but this is not a great draft year. There are some nice future NBA players throughout, but only a handful who could really make an impact on the Suns next year.

Face it - we are absolutely in a win now mode. And, in win-now mode with a fairly young team with a bright, bright future (Amare, Diaw, Barbs, for example).

A vet like TT can make a huge difference next year. We know Barbs and Diaw can play (last I saw them, they were getting burn in the WCF, which = experience).

Would you rather get a possible contributor like Marcus Williams or something, with all the normal draft unknowns, or have the $$ to keep this team together for a title?

The Suns mgmt are not idiots. Yes, they have traded out of the back end of the last two drafts. But a few years before that, they got studs like Marion and Amare. In this draft, they liked a few guys and tried to get them, but were not willing to sell the farm for them (Carney, Thabo, etc).

They now have a great position in next year's deeper draft to find some other good young talent. Or, they could use them as assets to find other players.

My point is, the last two years of draft do not prove Sarver cheap like Bidwill, and do not prove the Suns have decided to never build the team via the draft again. Quite the opposite. If the see a player they like, they make something happen if possible to get him (like Barbs via Spurs).


My only bitch of Suns draft the last few years is trading the #7 - I think that was a miss, but understand the financial reasons BC did it. Also, last year Nate Robinson would have been nice, but I'd rather give Barbs the burn (which we did).

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Is there any chance the Suns could trade in to the second round and get someone like Hasaan Adams?

 

[NastyOne]

D'antoni made the trades not Sarver.
bitch all you want, but anyone who follows closely knows the past three years of trades will take us to the next level by clearing cap space to sign free agents with less risk...... this was a weak draft.

That makes no sense at all

We cannot get any free agents in here unless its by using the MLE which everyone knows Sarver won't use, or the Vet min and no one good signs for the vet min.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Is there any chance the Suns could trade in to the second round and get someone like Hasaan Adams?

Nope. The trade fee of $500 would be too much.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

All I can say is we could have had Marcus Williams at #21 who is a top 10 talent to back up steve nash and eventually our starting point guard for years to come

 

[az1965]

My point is, the last two years of draft do not prove Sarver cheap like Bidwill, and do not prove the Suns have decided to never build the team via the draft again. Quite the opposite. If the see a player they like, they make something happen if possible to get him (like Barbs via Spurs).

Its Bidwill and he was not cheap, just wasn't a smart spender...

 

[TBaslim]

Its Bidwill and he was not cheap, just wasn't a smart spender...

I was refering to someone's earlier comment that said Sarver was the 'new Bidwill'. I don't follow football much, so apologies for the inaccuracy...

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You guys are pretty funny...

Look - the draft is fun as a fan and all, but this is not a great draft year. There are some nice future NBA players throughout, but only a handful who could really make an impact on the Suns next year.

Here's where the issue lies with all of us who are against these trades (sales as I'll call them).. The Suns are in a position to where they can draft a young PG and let Nash groom him, while giving the kid valuable PT in the meantime. Steve Nash is an incredible player, no question.. However, how many years do you continue to ride him at 37-40 minutes a game?

Obviously, there's not a player in this draft that would have stepped in and made an immediate impact. However, again the team had a perfect opportunity to grab a young set of legs at the PG or PF/C position that they could have built up. To squander it for Tim Thomas.. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Face it - we are absolutely in a win now mode. And, in win-now mode with a fairly young team with a bright, bright future (Amare, Diaw, Barbs, for example).

Win now.. Perhaps. However, you CAN be in WIN NOW mode while building for the future. It can and has been done.

A vet like TT can make a huge difference next year. We know Barbs and Diaw can play (last I saw them, they were getting burn in the WCF, which = experience).

Maybe so, but two things

A) What's the guarantee Thomas is going to re-sign? If we've learned nothing else from the Joe Johnson "fiasco", we all have learned that when it comes to retaining free agents, there are absolutely no guarantees.

B) Who's to say that Tim Thomas is going to be the player we all saw in the last two months? Face it, there's a reason the guy was paid a boat load of money to stay home by the Bulls. I'm not being pessimistic, but what if Thomas gets his money and reverts back to pre-Suns form?? The Suns cut money to re-sign him, when they could have drafted a very good young PG to groom or a young C to groom for a guy who at best can be described as an underachiever and an enigma?
Would you rather get a possible contributor like Marcus Williams or something, with all the normal draft unknowns, or have the $$ to keep this team together for a title?

The Suns mgmt are not idiots. Yes, they have traded out of the back end of the last two drafts. But a few years before that, they got studs like Marion and Amare. In this draft, they liked a few guys and tried to get them, but were not willing to sell the farm for them (Carney, Thabo, etc).

They now have a great position in next year's deeper draft to find some other good young talent. Or, they could use them as assets to find other players.

My point is, the last two years of draft do not prove Sarver cheap like Bidwill, and do not prove the Suns have decided to never build the team via the draft again. Quite the opposite. If the see a player they like, they make something happen if possible to get him (like Barbs via Spurs).


My only bitch of Suns draft the last few years is trading the #7 - I think that was a miss, but understand the financial reasons BC did it. Also, last year Nate Robinson would have been nice, but I'd rather give Barbs the burn (which we did).[/QUOTE]

 

[JS22]

You guys are pretty funny...

Look - the draft is fun as a fan and all, but this is not a great draft year. There are some nice future NBA players throughout, but only a handful who could really make an impact on the Suns next year.

Face it - we are absolutely in a win now mode. And, in win-now mode with a fairly young team with a bright, bright future (Amare, Diaw, Barbs, for example).

A vet like TT can make a huge difference next year. We know Barbs and Diaw can play (last I saw them, they were getting burn in the WCF, which = experience).

Would you rather get a possible contributor like Marcus Williams or something, with all the normal draft unknowns, or have the $$ to keep this team together for a title?

The Suns mgmt are not idiots. Yes, they have traded out of the back end of the last two drafts. But a few years before that, they got studs like Marion and Amare. In this draft, they liked a few guys and tried to get them, but were not willing to sell the farm for them (Carney, Thabo, etc).

They now have a great position in next year's deeper draft to find some other good young talent. Or, they could use them as assets to find other players.

My point is, the last two years of draft do not prove Sarver cheap like Bidwill, and do not prove the Suns have decided to never build the team via the draft again. Quite the opposite. If the see a player they like, they make something happen if possible to get him (like Barbs via Spurs).


My only bitch of Suns draft the last few years is trading the #7 - I think that was a miss, but understand the financial reasons BC did it. Also, last year Nate Robinson would have been nice, but I'd rather give Barbs the burn (which we did).

THANK YOU.

 

[ARZCardinals]

They should have taken Williams - BC - rarely are teams picking in the 20+ able to get a top 10 talent that would have time to learn behind a player like Nash.

It could have been Leinart all over again....the draft said, here I am, and the Suns were blinded by the light.

Boooooo Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Go Cardinals!

 

[NastyOne]

Well once again we'll go into the season with questionable depth if anyone suffers an injury(which is likely with our style of play and the minutes everyone logs)

Great job Saver and Co.

Now we have to pray Nash doesn't break down playing 33+mins per night.

Another wasted draft, another wasted 3 hours of watching the draft.

 

[Evil Ash]

Well once again we'll go into the season with questionable depth if anyone suffers an injury(which is likely with our style of play and the minutes everyone logs)

Great job Saver and Co.

Now we have to pray Nash doesn't break down playing 33+mins per night.

Another wasted draft, another wasted 3 hours of watching the draft.

Questonable depth? We're 9 deep with Amare and KT back

 

[SunsTzu]

Questonable depth? We're 9 deep with Amare and KT back

There is no back-up for Nash. The Suns should be alright while he's resting during games, but what happens if he misses games? I really wish they would have kept Sergio thinking about it, it's not like keeping him would have cost that much and it would be a legit pg for Nash to groom.

 

[jbeecham]

Questonable depth? We're 9 deep with Amare and KT back

We have no guard depth. We've got Nash, Bell & Barbosa. House is expected not to excercise his option, but even if he does he's not great depth. We needed a true backup PG and had our pick of all the PGs in the draft.

 

[TBaslim]

Agreed that they do need a better solution to the Nash back-up situation then they had this past year.

I just don't think this year's draft is the only way to solve that problem.

Look - Coach D's system relies tremendously on the PG involved. My guess is the Suns looked at all the PG's in this draft carefully, and just were not that crazy about them.

He has to find a backup/future PG to groom he likes. If not, he is not gonna play him anyway.

 

[Wally]

Sounds to me like there are some very smart people making the decisions. Good thing it's them & not emotional fans who run the show.