Suns trade Robin Lopez to Hornets; recieve 1st rd pick, Johnson in 3 team trade

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A first for Lopez while dumping Warrick is great.

Wes Johnson has potential as a catch and shoot guy with hops. Think Marion with a 3 pt jump shot but less defensive ability.

Man... Syracuse players selected in the draft have really struggled since Melo... Warrick, Flynn, Johnson, and now maybe Waiters.
 

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This wouldn't totally restore my faith in the FO but to get basically a 1st rounder for nothing? That would be a steal and would be a step in the right direction.
 

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This wouldn't totally restore my faith in the FO but to get basically a 1st rounder for nothing? That would be a steal and would be a step in the right direction.

If the reports of Beasley's 3rd season not being fully guaranteed are true I think they've done a very good job the past 2 offseasons. The most concerning move this offseason was signing Gordon for the max, but luckily the Hornets matched.

And the only really bad move since Blanks was hired on was the Dragic trade to Houston.
 

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if this deal goes down as advertised, they'll definitely get kudos from me.
 

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NBA Comparison: Eddie Johnson/Shawn Marion

Strengths: Wes has all the tools, and fits the description of your classic athletic small forward ... He's quick and slippery when maneuvering in the lane ... At 6'7, he has a huge wingspan (easily over 7' feet), and tremendous leaping abilities which allow him to rise above traffic around the rim ... He has a smooth and fluent motion on his jump shot, and gets nice elevation ... Has a strong mid-range game that will only get better ... Can spot up from short or deep, but seems to excel at shooting off one dribble after his quick first step enables him to create space between him and his defender... When he doesn't shoot off the dribble, he uses an effective jab step to create separation and get off his shot, a must-have tool for a scoring small forward in the NBA ... Also has deep range with a high and quick release, and his consistency will only improve - his 3 point percentage has gradually risen from 29% to 33% to 39% respectively in each of his 3 years... He shoots 50% from the field overall, and does not need 20 plus shots to be effective ... Extremely unselfish, the offense rarely becomes stagnant when the ball is in his hands, a tendency other teams have when their go-to player tries to isolate himself ... An underrated passer showing excellent vision and passing skills for a 3 ... He moves extremely well off the ball, and does a great job of getting himself open off back screens ... Wes can run the floor and finish effectively in transition ... His quickness, awareness and long wingspan come into play defensively as well, as he is a terrific off-ball and help defender ... Can quickly move from the weak-side to ball-side, and uses those long arms and high leaping abilities to block an average of 2 shots per game ... He's athletic and long enough to play effective on-ball defense at the next level ... His wingspan and leaping abilities also make him an excellent rebounder, and his persistent nature and good nose for the ball make him a pest on theoffensive glass ...

Weaknesses: Sometimes Wes settles or relies too much on his jump shot, and when it's not on that day, he can disappear for long stretches throughout the game ... Needs to bulk up- when guarded by stronger defenders, he tends to pull back for tougher jump shots as opposed to taking it strong and drawing the foul ... Attempts less than 4 free throws per game ... Tries to get out of slumps by shooting jumpers instead of being more aggressive ... Has not developed much of a back-to-the-basket game yet, but his skills, high release and length give him a shot to develop a post game over time ... Has trouble creating off the dribble, most of his opportunities come after one dribble or a catch and shoot ... Not much of a playmaker, his ball handling skills are average, and he tends to throw the ball away too often ... He's 23 years old, so his upside and potential might take a hit when GMs look at guys who are up to 3 years younger ...

Overall: A widely unknown transfer from Iowa State, Wes Johnson had to wait a year on the sidelines before becoming a household name and a star for Syracuse basketball ... Plays a lot of the 4 in college, but will most definitely be a 3 at the next level. At 23 years old already, he should be more NBA ready than most players entering the draft ... The big question with Wes is whether or not his inability to create will prevent him from being a relied upon scorer in the pros ... Regardless, his smile can light up an arena and make him an immediate fan favorite, while his ability to shoot with hands in his face, as well as his defensive potential and rebounding skills, should propel him to the next level, making him a likely high lottery pick in the 2010 NBA Draft.

So potentially we could be the Phoenix Rocketwolves, with 2 starters from Houston, 2 starters from the T Wolves, and Gortat.

Kind of funny :)
 

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So potentially we could be the Phoenix Rocketwolves, with 2 starters from Houston, 2 starters from the T Wolves, and Gortat.

Kind of funny :)

I love the compairson to two Suns EJ and Marion. The kid has a very good shooting motion, not sure why he doesn't shoot a higher % maybe he kicks out to much not sure.
 

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You have to wonder what Beasley said about this guy.
 

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I guess this deal is not done yet. We still don't know exactly which picks go where. But if I'm not mistaken, Minnesota has the Grizzlies first-rounder in 2013 (via Houston, lotto protected until 2016 and then it turns into a second-rounder). It is possible the Suns will receive that pick, or perhaps they will receive either T'Wolves own pick or Grizzlies pick in 2013, whichever is lower. Those are just my guesses.
 

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Uh, signing Blatche, even for free, with Beasley in our locker room (who I am willing to give all the chance in the world to) would be really really really stupid.

Yes, there are many GMs who wisely put a 1 knucklehead limit on a roster. You start putting more than 1 and then they rub off on eachother and on one grows... and perhaps they pull more players into the abyss with them. We saw it with the Wizards in recent years, with the Twolves years back, with the Jail-Blazers...
 

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You really need to let it go.

Back to topic: Evidently this deal is being done by Minn so that they can go after Kirilenko

lol, it was in response to a direct question! I answered it, didnt elaborate and then left it at that. I have made many other posts in this thread and didnt bring that junk up once.
 

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You have to wonder what Beasley said about this guy.

I'm sure it was nothing basketball related, probably something more like, "Wes Johnson? Oh man, he was my Snickers and Sour Patch Kids hookup! Bring him in!"

I'm thrilled with this trade. I honestly can't remember a Suns TRADE that I felt this good about when it happened in recent years.
 

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Here is a quote from a Paul Coro dated 7-24-12 at azcentral. See link below.

The Suns have explored signing Lopez, a restricted free agent, or completing a sign-and-trade deal involving him since July 1. New Orleans, in need of a center, became the recent target. Yahoo! reported that the Suns would send Lopez and Warrick, with two contract years and a non-rotation role ahead, to New Orleans and get a first-round draft pick and Johnson back from Minnesota. The report also said that Minnesota would receive other picks so that could include something from Phoenix.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...hornets-robin-lopez-sign-and-trade-talks.html
 

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Well yet another crazy idea. If this trade goes down and we have a new need for a backup big man - what about signing Greg Oden to a 1 year deal?
 

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Well yet another crazy idea. If this trade goes down and we have a new need for a backup big man - what about signing Greg Oden to a 1 year deal?

I don't know. Is Milicic still available?
 
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I'm thinking we'll sign Garcia from our summer league.
 
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I'm less enthusiastic about this trade than most. I realize that most have given up on Lopez, but he's surely a better prospect than Johnson, who has gotten major minutes in his first two years and still can't shoot better than 40% from the field. A 22-year-old 7-footer is, almost by definition, a better prospect than a 25-year-old 6' 7" guy, especially if neither has yet shown anything to get excited about yet. I'm reminded of when the Suns gave DerMarr Johnson a look several years ago, after he had been a high draft pick (#6 by Atlanta in 2000) and hadn't gotten anywhere after a few years in the league.

So really it's Lopez for whatever the pick turns out to be, and Warrick for Johnson. Warrick for Johnson is a win for the Suns, probably, but we can say only "probably" because in fact Warrick has been the better player so far in their NBA careers -- and furthermore, if the Suns pick up Johnson's fourth-year option, which seems only logical, then the trade is a wash financially.

Is Lopez for a pick a good deal? Well it depends on the pick, of course, but generally one should not expect to get a better prospect than Lopez in the second half of the first round. We all know about the occasional success story, but that does not change the fact that the hit rate for late picks is quite low.

In four or five years, it's fairly likely that this trade will end up being that the Suns gave Lopez away for nothing. That could end up biting them.
 
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