Surprise! Ross injured

[joeshmo]

Here is a list of OT's i don't think have been signed:

Marc Columbo
Makoa Freitas
Ethan Brooks
Orlando Brown
Victor Rodgers
Victor Riley
Tony Pashos

Yikes!

I thought Orlando Brown was decent just a few years ago.
However it always seems like Denny likes to sign no name UDFA when he have an injury

Victor Riley is a pretty good run blocker as his days in Texas can attest to. But as his days in Texas can attest to he is a really bad pass blocker, probably just as good as Ross last year but that isnt a good thing.

 

[arthurracoon]

we're still sitting on a good deal of cap space, aren't we? Sigh. If the above is true, then it's just pathetic. And I don't want to hear about having money left for contract extensions - we're supposedly going to be, what 65 million under the cap next year, projected? They could have shorn up depth somehow better than having an undrafted FA DE converted to a RT as our backup.

were around 10 mil under the cap? maybe?

 

[justAndy]

maybe the Cards can use some of tha 12 MILLION that they are under the cap.
Why the hell ARE they 12 million under???
Don't they have new revenue streams?

 

[BACH]

who cares

he cant be worse than wakefield

I actually didn't think Wakefield was that bad. Below average as a starter -yes, but better than I expected for a guy playing OL for the first time. I actually thinks there a decent chance Wakefield could be a solid back-up, but clearly not an option as starter.

First, let's not panic yet. Ross is reportedly only out for three weeks, so he'll be really for opening day. Meanwhile, Wakefield/Well/Brown will some reps in the next three weeks, and we'll get a chance to see if they're capable of starting at RT.

Second, IMO the front office couldn't have solved this in the off-season. There were NO OTs available in FA. Okay, okay.. There were some available, but supply couldn't match the demand, which drove the market up to insane salaries. Ashworth was one of the only options - a below average starter (he was benched last year) with a history injuries, yet the Seahawks had to pay him $4,5M a year to sign him. That's insane, and Graves made the right decision not to sign an OT under those circumstances. The only option would have been drafting an OT, but a rookie wouldn't solve this problem.

Meadow has been out out football for 2 years and quit because of injury - not an option!

 

[General Chaos]

Last year I often commented that an empty barrel would make for a better RT than who was playing there, that may be an option.

 

[joeshmo]

we're still sitting on a good deal of cap space, aren't we? Sigh. If the above is true, then it's just pathetic. And I don't want to hear about having money left for contract extensions - we're supposedly going to be, what 65 million under the cap next year, projected? They could have shorn up depth somehow better than having an undrafted FA DE converted to a RT as our backup.

About 8 Mill left after the rookies signed.

Over 35 Mill in cap space for next year with about 40 players under contract and the rookies signed this year. Depending on incentives reached by Fitz, Rolle, Matt, Wilson, and Boldin.

MJ was saying that Mike Bidwill is still looking for more control of the team but his Dad still wont give it up. Daddy is still asserting his control. MJ stated that if Mike had full control of this team he wouldnt doubt for a second this team would be a playoff type team every year because the kid wants to win bad.

Remember we had interviews set up with McQuarters, another CB, and MLB Bart Scott before we Signed Edge. And none of those players came to town after that. We had interviews set up with all 3 before they were to go to the respective teams that signed them, but we canceled their visits after it looked like we could sign Edge.

Again not sure if true, just some rumors coming from a few media sources.

 

[joeshmo]

maybe the Cards can use some of tha 12 MILLION that they are under the cap.
Why the hell ARE they 12 million under???
Don't they have new revenue streams?

They are not 12 they are 8. I know Jurecki keeps saying 12 but he keeps forgetting to take out what we spent on the rookies. The 12 Mill # was before the rookies not after.

But the point is the same 8 Mill is still a lot.

Also if the last source I saw is still correct about 75% of the teams in the league have 5+ Mill in cap space left. That is how much the cap went up after the new CBA. It is also why you will see a lot players re-signed from now till next offseason. It is also why next years UFA period isnt going be so great.

 

[JC_AZ]

My Dad is in Flag for practices today and tomorrow morning...he is saying that the D-Line looks so dominating it is scary.. either our D-Line is awesome or our O-Line is VERY FAR behind...he said Navarre was very accurate and very strong...surprisingly and that Shipp, McCoy, Rolle and JJ all looked very good...except that Rolle should give up on return duties and stick to D...

 

[justAndy]

thanks, Joeschmoe - you are the capologist!

 

[AzWins23]

I don't like the sound of our o-line being far behind. I understand its the 3rd day and all, but i would atleast like to hear something good about it.

 

[Evil Ash]

My Dad is in Flag for practices today and tomorrow morning...he is saying that the D-Line looks so dominating it is scary.. either our D-Line is awesome or our O-Line is VERY FAR behind...he said Navarre was very accurate and very strong...surprisingly and that Shipp, McCoy, Rolle and JJ all looked very good...except that Rolle should give up on return duties and stick to D...

I wouldn't worry about how the Oline looks in practice just yet. Year after year the defense is FAR ahead of the offense.

If the Oline is getting dominated in the 3rd game of the preseason then its time to worry

 

[joeshmo]

My Dad is in Flag for practices today and tomorrow morning...he is saying that the D-Line looks so dominating it is scary.. either our D-Line is awesome or our O-Line is VERY FAR behind...

That happens every year with every team. The Defense is always farther along then the Offense in every way. The dont even out till half way through preseason it would seem.

 

[arthurracoon]

well, the OL did good on day 2

 

[football karma]

I just went through the Sporting News depth charts for all of the teams to see if anybody had a backup tackle of reasonable ability the Cards could attempt to trade for.

If its any solace, there are only 10 teams in the league that wouldnt be totally screwed if one of their starting tackles went down for a long period of time.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Whatever.

Can you say Duane Starks ? So far Oliver Ross has accomplished sucking real bad at run blocking, and pass blocking....and he keeps getting injured.

I believe he signed a 3 year deal so next year we can cut him or trade him without getting hit with a huge cap hit. He is a worthless to this team anyway. We should get huge tutus for him and Hodgins and they can be our water girls for the team.

Hopefully Elton Brown, or Lutui takes the job from him. Fred Wakefield is definately not the answer tho.

Peace

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Last year I often commented that an empty barrel would make for a better RT than who was playing there, that may be an option.

I am on that wagon.

Get the barrel.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As if Edge's HOF hopes hinged on the performance of Oliver Ross. Ross sucked last year. This will be a blessing in disguise.

yeah, you're right. losing a starter (which means according to our player personnel evaluator none on the team are better) on an atrocious offensive line that has no depth should make no difference to edge's numbers. i totally overlooked those facts.

 

[arthurracoon]

I am on that wagon.

Get the barrel.

my last name is barrel

:bringmeincanthurt:

im also willing to play for the min

 

[Pariah]

Meadow has been out out football for 2 years and quit because of injury - not an option!

I agree he's not an option--but ony because he's already been signed by the Broncos and is expected to push George Foster for the starting spot.

He's head and shoulders better than Wakefield.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm not surprised it happened. Injuries are inevitable. It's seldom a matter of "whether." It's more a matter of who and when?

Amazing how the majority on this board (who seldom had anything good to say about Oliver Ross and allowed themselves to, once again, be talked into believing we were solid on the O-line) are suddenly reaching for Dr. Kevorkian's phone number on the roladex.

Ross nothwithstanding - anyone familiar with our offseason depth chart knew that we were thin at OT. On the bright side, we shored up depth at OG with the addition of Lutui and Milford Brown and would have faced a logjam at OG anyway. Some of these extra guys have the size to move over to OT.

Loney will just have to (pardon the pun) reshuffle the deck with Elton Brown, Milford Brown and Lutui figuring to compete for the two starting spots on the right side.

If Ross was as bad as he seemed to be last year, any of these three guys should be able to do as well or better at RT. (Better this happened early rather than after the line had begun to jell).

Regarding Wells - He's still slotted at LG. If he were to move to RT, who would start at LG? Also he's never struck me as a mauler - more of a nimble-footed guy who could be counted on to screw up his run-blocks. Why would anyone want to see him lining up at a smashmouth position like RG?

Finally, there will be more injuries. It's a fact of pro football. Just hope we have backups who can step up to replace anyone who goes down.

 

[Pariah]

For all those claiming that Ross is no good: You're right, he's not. But, what does that say about the guy who can't beat him out for a starting position?

 

[arthurracoon]

For all those claiming that Ross is no good: You're right, he's not. But, what does that say about the guy who can't beat him out for a starting position?

yup

im with JeffGolin

might have to move a G over

 

[Crazy Canuck]

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Regarding Wells - He's still slotted at LG. If he were to move to RT, who would start at LG? Also he's never struck me as a mauler - more of a nimble-footed guy who could be counted on to screw up his run-blocks. Why would anyone want to see him lining up at a smashmouth position like RG?

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I believe the suggestion is Wells at RT because he's "nimble-footed". As for who would replace him at LG... Lutui. He was a monster at the position in college. May be lacking in pass blocking at the NFL level initially, but has the tools an attitude to be a heck of a run blocker, teamed with Big,

Big
Lutui
Leckey?
M. Brown
Wells

 

[NuttinButTDs]

I wouldn't worry about how the Oline looks in practice just yet. Year after year the defense is FAR ahead of the offense.

If the Oline is getting dominated in the 3rd game of the preseason then its time to worry

amen to that - the defense is always reacting and will seem faster initially, while the offense is based on timing. The offense will need to gel before they show improvement. Along with the new coaching, the timings will need to work out.

 

[red desert]

Okay, please don't yell at me, but...

How about BJ and "whatever it takes" to philly for Winston Justice.

Can Justice even be traded at his point in the process????