Terrence Cody is moving up Mike Mayock's board.

[WildBB]

The Vikes would still have the best. Then the Ravens. Then we'd be in the discussion with the Jets and maybe the Texans.

If Cody pans out.

There are more space eaters that can be had much cheaper (later). Torrell Troup being one. Cam Thomas the other. I'd really be intruiged getting one of those two.

Linval Joseph should be available in the 3rd round as well.

All could be rotational space eaters along with Watson who should be much further along from his injury this year.

 

[DoTheDew]

The issue I have with Cody is that there is no way he's a better football player and will have a more dynamic impact on an NFL game than the likes of Rolando McClain, Golden Tate, Sergio Kindle, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher.

If you draft any player you are drafting on potential and hopes that they work out.

McClain could be out of football from Chron's.
Tate might never overcome his shortness.

Could go on and on every draft pick has question marks if they didn't they'd be promised the #1 pick automatically.

Drafting Cody would kind of be like drafting a top G or C like Steve Hutchinson. He won't show up much on the stat sheet but that does not mean he is not having a huge impact. As for a "two down player" you could make that argument about any NT. Could also make that argument about a WR since they don't have any impact on a run play unless its an outside run to their side of the field. Heck you could even make that argument about a QB for some teams.

Whiz comes from a "football is won in the trenches" background. If he chooses to add talent to either line I will fully respect that even if the player isn't the most flashy, stat filling player on the board and you should to.

 

[WildBB]

If you draft any player you are drafting on potential and hopes that they work out.

McClain could be out of football from Chron's.
Tate might never overcome his shortness.

Could go on and on every draft pick has question marks if they didn't they'd be promised the #1 pick automatically.

Drafting Cody would kind of be like drafting a top G or C like Steve Hutchinson. He won't show up much on the stat sheet but that does not mean he is not having a huge impact. As for a "two down player" you could make that argument about any NT. Could also make that argument about a WR since they don't have any impact on a run play unless its an outside run to their side of the field. Heck you could even make that argument about a QB for some teams.

Whiz comes from a "football is won in the trenches" background. If he chooses to add talent to either line I will fully respect that even if the player isn't the most flashy, stat filling player on the board and you should to.

That's why you don't need a NT stuffer that high. Get one later, they're just about as good.

I wouldn't target him at all in the 1st. No way.

Comparing him to Hutch....Lol....he's got a long way to go to even sniff his toughness.

 

[HookemCards]

That's why you don't need a NT stuffer that high. Get one later, they're just about as good.

I wouldn't target him at all in the 1st. No way.

Comparing him to Hutch....Lol....he's got a long way to go to even sniff his toughness.

I agree, he's way too risky for me in the 1st, but would be all over him somewhere in the 2nd through a trade down. If worst comes to worst take a flyer on this guy in the 6th or 7th.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/02/24/bright/index.html

If i'm sitting there at 26 and Williams, Thomas, Graham, Kindle, McClain, Weatherspoon are gone (probably about a 5 percent chance of one of them being there), I try to trade down to somewhere in the 40 to 45 range, pick up and extra 2nd or 3rd and take Cody there.

My ideal draft:
1. McClain, ILB
2. Cody, NT
3. Cox, CB
3b. McCoy, QB (Think Drew Brees, just a little weaker arm).
4. J. Graham, TE
6. Spikes, ILB
7. Ulatoski, OT (yearly homer pick)

Most of these will probably go about 10 to 20 picks before we pick, but stranger things have happened.

More realistic draft:
1. Witherspoon, ILB
2. McCourty, CB
3. Veldheer, OT (not completely sold we have a LT on the roster still)
3b. J. Graham, TE
4. Spikes, ILB (more of a backup for Hayes)
6. Brown, QB
7. Bright, NT

 

[kerouac9]

That's why you don't need a NT stuffer that high. Get one later, they're just about as good.

I wouldn't target him at all in the 1st. No way.

Comparing him to Hutch....Lol....he's got a long way to go to even sniff his toughness.

Sigh. This isn't the case. Again, look at the top 2-gap NTs in the NFL:

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Shaun Rogers, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams, Ryan Pickett, Kelly Gregg.

Do your research and tell me where most of those guys were drafted. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the answer if you truly believe that you can get an NT later in the draft, and "they're just about as good."

If NT isn't a valuable position, why were guys like Arybuo Frankling and Ryan Pickett getting franchise tagged? Do you think that the Green Bay Packers didn't think that they had better use for $7 million after drafting B.J. Raji last year? After all we've talked about the Steeler way of not signing overpriced free agents, do you think that Pittsburgh just gave Casey Hampton 3 years, $21 million and $11 million guaranteed because they were feeling generous? Guy's 32 years old and only had 43 tackles last season.

 

[bg7brd]

That's why you don't need a NT stuffer that high. Get one later, they're just about as good.

I wouldn't target him at all in the 1st. No way.

Comparing him to Hutch....Lol....he's got a long way to go to even sniff his toughness.

I think you're underestimating how important the NT position is to the 3-4 defence.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

One of the all time classic pro-days. Why his agent let him run with his shirt off is beyond me. However it must have worked seeing as he still ended up going #6 overall.

Have to wonder why he didn't wear a tight shirt.

 

[HookemCards]

Sigh. This isn't the case. Again, look at the top 2-gap NTs in the NFL:

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Shaun Rogers, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams, Ryan Pickett, Kelly Gregg.

Do your research and tell me where most of those guys were drafted. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the answer if you truly believe that you can get an NT later in the draft, and "they're just about as good."

If NT isn't a valuable position, why were guys like Arybuo Frankling and Ryan Pickett getting franchise tagged? Do you think that the Green Bay Packers didn't think that they had better use for $7 million after drafting B.J. Raji last year? After all we've talked about the Steeler way of not signing overpriced free agents, do you think that Pittsburgh just gave Casey Hampton 3 years, $21 million and $11 million guaranteed because they were feeling generous? Guy's 32 years old and only had 43 tackles last season.

I agree if you think Cody will play at the same level as those guys. If NFL scouts think he will, more than likely he won't be there at 26.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

3. John Skelton, Fordham.


6-foot-5, 243 with a cannon, Skelton delivers the football powerfully from an array of release points but lacks polish and carries level-of-competition concerns coming from the non-scholarship D-IAA ranks.


Draft Prediction: Cardinals, No. 89 overall.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/2010-draft-quarterback-rankings/

 

[kerouac9]

I agree if you think Cody will play at the same level as those guys. If NFL scouts think he will, more than likely he won't be there at 26.

How convenient for you. Sounds like a classic catch 22. Couldn't you say that about any player? If NFL scouts thought Big Ben was going to win 2 SBs and Eli 1, he would've gone earlier. If McClain is so good, why would he fall to 26?

 

[kerouac9]

3. John Skelton, Fordham.


6-foot-5, 243 with a cannon, Skelton delivers the football powerfully from an array of release points but lacks polish and carries level-of-competition concerns coming from the non-scholarship D-IAA ranks.


Draft Prediction: Cardinals, No. 89 overall.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/2010-draft-quarterback-rankings/

I'd be excited. Skelton = Josh McCown.

 

[HookemCards]

How convenient for you. Sounds like a classic catch 22. Couldn't you say that about any player? If NFL scouts thought Big Ben was going to win 2 SBs and Eli 1, he would've gone earlier. If McClain is so good, why would he fall to 26?

Not convenient at all, I like Cody, just not at 26. Like I said I'd try to get him in the 40 to 45 range. I just don't think he's as good as most of those players listed, you do apparently. Also I don't think there is any chance McClain falls to 26, if you would have read what I wrote, you'd have seen that I predicted most of those guys in my first mock would be drafted 10 to 20 spots higher than where I had them mocked.

 

[WildBB]

I think you're underestimating how important the NT position is to the 3-4 defence.

Some of you may be overestimating T. Cody, IMO. UNderestimating what Watson should be able to contribute this year. Along with a rotational pick...I believe it would suffice. Might work out even better.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I'd be excited. Skelton = Josh McCown.

Just wondering why that would excite you.

 

[WildBB]

Sigh. This isn't the case. Again, look at the top 2-gap NTs in the NFL:

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Shaun Rogers, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams, Ryan Pickett, Kelly Gregg.

Do your research and tell me where most of those guys were drafted. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the answer if you truly believe that you can get an NT later in the draft, and "they're just about as good."

If NT isn't a valuable position, why were guys like Arybuo Frankling and Ryan Pickett getting franchise tagged? Do you think that the Green Bay Packers didn't think that they had better use for $7 million after drafting B.J. Raji last year? After all we've talked about the Steeler way of not signing overpriced free agents, do you think that Pittsburgh just gave Casey Hampton 3 years, $21 million and $11 million guaranteed because they were feeling generous? Guy's 32 years old and only had 43 tackles last season.

Yes there is not a surplus of 320+ lb. stuffers. That could be because before now , not enough teams employed the 3-4. Now more teams are going that way and the NT's are at a premium at this moment. Doesn't mean you can't get a decent stuffer later on in the draft. Some former 3-4 teams have had success in finding later picks....it's not an impossible skill set to find prospects. Cam Thomas and Torrell would be two prime candidates, and I'm sure there may be a few others. I'll also bet that Watson makes positive strides again.

 

[Stout]

It all boils down to two points.

1-Do you think we'd be better off trying to keep a rotation and 'getting by' like that.

2-Do you think Mt. Cody will be a really good fatty in the middle.

For my money, if you hold with #1, you're nuts. We need an absolute monster in the middle, and Watson isn't that guy. He didn't seem to be turning into a monster either, before his injury. I wish we could go out and get a beast this year and help solidify our 3-4 defense.

I also believe that Mt. Cody will be an incredible space-eater, will command double-teams, and will be a great NT.

We have a problem, though, in that our team has painted itself into a corner. We MUST have an ILBer. We'll take either Weatherspoon or McClain if one of them is available, and we might reach for Lee if they aren't. Otherwise, I want Mt. Cody.

 

[DoTheDew]

That's why you don't need a NT stuffer that high. Get one later, they're just about as good.

I wouldn't target him at all in the 1st. No way.

Comparing him to Hutch....Lol....he's got a long way to go to even sniff his toughness.

Yes comparing an interior OL who was drafted in the mid 20s and wasn't considered a glamor pick to an interior DL who some are mentioning in the mid 20s and isn't a glamor pick. Nothing wrong with that comparison. I never said they were equal talent.

 

[kerouac9]

Just wondering why that would excite you.

Because Josh McCown was a wild ride where some people here thought that we had the next Brett Favre. He was a great physical specimen who looked great when the pressure was off and in training camp but who couldn't be depended on in the clutch. He was like the opposite of Jake Plummer.

I'm not interested in ever having Skelton play for a team that I like. There's a reason that kid went to Fordham, and I've heard that has to do with a real, real lack of any leadership ability--even at the college level. That's how I saw Josh McCown, as well. That's the reason that I make the comparison?

Yes there is not a surplus of 320+ lb. stuffers. That could be because before now , not enough teams employed the 3-4. Now more teams are going that way and the NT's are at a premium at this moment. Doesn't mean you can't get a decent stuffer later on in the draft. Some former 3-4 teams have had success in finding later picks....it's not an impossible skill set to find prospects. Cam Thomas and Torrell would be two prime candidates, and I'm sure there may be a few others. I'll also bet that Watson makes positive strides again.

Who? If you want to look at bad defenses that run the 2-gap 3-4, they usually have one thing in common--including our 3-4 defense: They have no one dependable at the nose tackle position. Who is playing NT for the Browns, Chiefs, Bills (now), and Broncos? I'll tell you: guys whose general managers thought that they could "get by" with free agent garbage or mid- to late-round picks.

I sincerely hope that Watson makes strides and becomes the player he was before the knee injury. But hope is not a plan. It'd be different if we'd gotten anyone to help out at the position in free agency. I really advocated that we look at Fred Robbins (now with the Rams) or Jimmy Kennedy (stayed with the Vikes), but right now we're hoping that Gabe Watson can stay healthy for the 2/3 of defensive downs where the NT is at work. Again: hope is not a plan.

 

[Zeno]

Who? If you want to look at bad defenses that run the 2-gap 3-4, they usually have one thing in common--including our 3-4 defense: They have no one dependable at the nose tackle position. Who is playing NT for the Browns, Chiefs, Bills (now), and Broncos? I'll tell you: guys whose general managers thought that they could "get by" with free agent garbage or mid- to late-round picks.

I sincerely hope that Watson makes strides and becomes the player he was before the knee injury. But hope is not a plan. It'd be different if we'd gotten anyone to help out at the position in free agency. I really advocated that we look at Fred Robbins (now with the Rams) or Jimmy Kennedy (stayed with the Vikes), but right now we're hoping that Gabe Watson can stay healthy for the 2/3 of defensive downs where the NT is at work. Again: hope is not a plan.

Well said. We can't ignore a guy because he isn't "flashy"...I believe Cody would have a bigger impact on our defense than someone like Golden Tate would on our offense and return game.

 

[Garthshort]

Skelton would come with a great nick name, Big Red Skelton. And if you think his namesake was funny (you old people), wait until you see this kid play QB. (Just kidding, I never have).

 

[Mitch]

Skelton would come with a great nick name, Big Red Skelton. And if you think his namesake was funny (you old people), wait until you see this kid play QB. (Just kidding, I never have).

Will he play like Big Red or Clem Kadiddlehopper?

Yup, showing the age here!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

With all this talk on NT's how come the FO didn't go after Jamal Williams in FA?

Filling a need like that allows us to be more focused on draft day. And you know what you are getting. Didn't he have an injury last year? I can't remember. Denver must have seen something in him.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Because Josh McCown was a wild ride where some people here thought that we had the next Brett Favre. He was a great physical specimen who looked great when the pressure was off and in training camp but who couldn't be depended on in the clutch. He was like the opposite of Jake Plummer.

I'm not interested in ever having Skelton play for a team that I like. There's a reason that kid went to Fordham, and I've heard that has to do with a real, real lack of any leadership ability--even at the college level. That's how I saw Josh McCown, as well. That's the reason that I make the comparison?

You may have to pardon my ignorance, but that didn't explain to me at all why you would be excited about us drafting him. You said you wouldn't want him to play for a team that you liked... am I missing something? Are you not a Cards' fan?

 

[joeshmo]

With all this talk on NT's how come the FO didn't go after Jamal Williams in FA?

34 year old coming off of a major injury and didn't even play football last year could be a reason.

 

[WildBB]

Gabe Watson can stay healthy for the 2/3 of defensive downs where the NT is at work. Again: hope is not a plan.

Won't b the ONLY plan, just a big part of it.