The 2022 NBA Play-In Tournament + Playoffs Thread

[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

IMO, it was definitely a flagrant 1 foul and by definition it could it could have easily been a flagrant 2. I don't understand how it's a no call.

They should review it and give Lowry a flagrant.

Flagrant Fouls

Referees may use replay whenever they are not reasonably certain whether a foul meets the criteria for a flagrant foul. Previously, the foul had to be called flagrant on the floor in order to initiate instant replay. The definition for a flagrant foul is: Flagrant Foul Penalty 1: Unnecessary...

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I don't believe I've ever seen a flagrant called in a moment like that. It was a bump to try and elicit a response.

Flagrants are for when there is excessive or deliberate contact that could cause harm to another player.

That's how I've always understood it. Lowry was flopping, which I've seen called for technicals in the past.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I don't believe I've ever seen a flagrant called in a moment like that. It was a bump to try and elicit a response.

Flagrants are for when there is excessive or deliberate contact that could cause harm to another player.

That's how I've always understood it. Lowry was flopping, which I've seen called for technicals in the past.

Agree, flagrant isn't appropriate. Offensive foul and tech for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't believe I've ever seen a flagrant called in a moment like that. It was a bump to try and elicit a response.

Flagrants are for when there is excessive or deliberate contact that could cause harm to another player.

That's how I've always understood it. Lowry was flopping, which I've seen called for technicals in the past.

Well IMO that COULD cause harm to another player. You're not expecting that, Hunter could have easily lost his balance and gotten hurt falling.

It's one thing to have the ball and stop in front of another player to draw a foul, it's borderline but players have been doing it for ages it's part of the game. Running alongside a guy and essentially dipping your shoulder in front and diving into him is something else entirely.

An aside but that's the primary reason so many non arizona fans can't stand Kerr Kriisa in college, he just jumps in front of people running downcourt, without the ball, completely uninvolved in the play and tries to get a charge. Very dangerous.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't believe I've ever seen a flagrant called in a moment like that. It was a bump to try and elicit a response.

Flagrants are for when there is excessive or deliberate contact that could cause harm to another player.

That's how I've always understood it. Lowry was flopping, which I've seen called for technicals in the past.

If that's not the part in bold I don't know what is.

Lowry was locking up his arms and could have easily knocked him down and caused injury.

It was a rear end collision and appears deliberate.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree, flagrant isn't appropriate. Offensive foul and tech for unsportsmanlike conduct.

teh reason I say flagrant is I want a player fined for a play like that.

 

[Superbone]

I agree with you. Call a double technical to get it under control and move on.

No, you don't penalize the other guy. That should be a flopping fine for Lowry. Isn't that a thing? It used to be. You never hear about it being enforced.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Hmm, after reviewing the criteria for a flagrant, I take back my earlier stance: https://official.nba.com/trigger/review-of-called-foul/

The definition for a flagrant foul is:

• Flagrant Foul Penalty 1: Unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent
• Flagrant Foul Penalty 2: Unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent

I think that fits the criteria for flagrant 1.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well IMO that COULD cause harm to another player. You're not expecting that, Hunter could have easily lost his balance and gotten hurt falling.

It's one thing to have the ball and stop in front of another player to draw a foul, it's borderline but players have been doing it for ages it's part of the game. Running alongside a guy and essentially dipping your shoulder in front and diving into him is something else entirely.

An aside but that's the primary reason so many non arizona fans can't stand Kerr Kriisa in college, he just jumps in front of people running downcourt, without the ball, completely uninvolved in the play and tries to get a charge. Very dangerous.

Also Lowry came from behind Hunter to grabble him.

 

[Covert Rain]

If that's not the part in bold I don't know what is.

Lowry was locking up his arms and could have easily knocked him down and caused injury.

It was a rear end collision and appears deliberate.

At no point in time did I feel like anybody was going to get hurt on that. Get nominated for a razzie? Sure. Technically under #1 it could be called but they usually reserve that for when players don't go for the ball.

Again, no big deal IMO. Call double technicals to warn players to clean it up and move on.

 

[Chaplin]

At no point in time did I feel like anybody was going to get hurt on that. Get nominated for a razzie? Sure. Technically under #1 it could be called but they usually reserve that for when players don't go for the ball.

Again, no big deal IMO. Call double technicals to warn players to clean it up and move on.

Why would they call a technical on Hunter? He did nothing.

 

[Covert Rain]

No, you don't penalize the other guy. That should be a flopping fine for Lowry. Isn't that a thing? It used to be. You never hear about it being enforced.

If you watch the video he threw his arm out there to get in the way of the other player and did a bit of acting of his own. It's not really about who was more at fault or who was more dramatic about it. Refs do this type of thing all the time. They see two players getting into or if they look like they are going to be at it all night? I have seen refs call double technicals a TON of times to send a message. It's more about the message than anything else. It usually works.

 

[Covert Rain]

Why would they call a technical on Hunter? He did nothing.

Hunter did a bit of acting of his own after putting his arm out there and flailing his arms back like it was a big deal.

 

[Russ Smith]

At no point in time did I feel like anybody was going to get hurt on that. Get nominated for a razzie? Sure. Technically under #1 it could be called but they usually reserve that for when players don't go for the ball.

Again, no big deal IMO. Call double technicals to warn players to clean it up and move on.

Why would Hunter get a T there? He's the victim

 

[Chaplin]

What Hunter did was a basketball move, what Lowry did wasn't. That's it, end of discussion.

 

[AzStevenCal]

At no point in time did I feel like anybody was going to get hurt on that. Get nominated for a razzie? Sure. Technically under #1 it could be called but they usually reserve that for when players don't go for the ball.

Again, no big deal IMO. Call double technicals to warn players to clean it up and move on.

Just for myself, I despise the double technical. IMO it's a lazy call that often treats one player unfairly (in this case, it would be Hunter). There is a time and place for it, this play was not the time and place IMO. Pre-Silver that could be called a technical for trying to elicit the wrong call from the ref but the league did away with the call I believe.

 

[Mainstreet]

At no point in time did I feel like anybody was going to get hurt on that. Get nominated for a razzie? Sure. Technically under #1 it could be called but they usually reserve that for when players don't go for the ball.

Again, no big deal IMO. Call double technicals to warn players to clean it up and move on.

There is no reason to call double technical fouls when Lowry was the perpetrator. Hunter didn't do anything wrong.

Hitting someone from behind and locking up their arms is minimally a foul. It should have been a flagrant and I wouldn't have even thought twice about it.

 

[Covert Rain]

What Hunter did was a basketball move, what Lowry did wasn't. That's it, end of discussion.

Maybe for you. Move on. I disagree. I think Hunter flailed his arms trying to act like it was a bigger deal than it was. I am not saying Lowry didn't instigate it. NBA refs call double technicals for less than this or you are not watching the NBA. They do that all the time to send a message.

 

[Covert Rain]

Just for myself, I despise the double technical. IMO it's a lazy call that often treats one player unfairly (in this case, it would be Hunter). There is a time and place for it, this play was not the time and place IMO. Pre-Silver that could be called a technical for trying to elicit the wrong call from the ref but the league did away with the call I believe.

Fair enough but I don't mind it. I have seen way too many times guys getting into with each other and refs don't do it? Leads to something bigger later. I prefer they warn the guys, clean it up and get back to basketball.

 

[Chaplin]

Maybe for you. Move on. I disagree. I think Hunter flailed his arms trying to act like it was a bigger deal than it was. I am not saying Lowry didn't instigate it. NBA refs call double technicals for less than this or you are not watching the NBA. They do that all the time to send a message.

Hunter was literally doing what everyone does running down the court, screen off a defender. That's it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hunter was literally doing what everyone does running down the court, screen off a defender. That's it.

Again, didn't say he instigated it. However, they both did a bit of acting once they "entangled". Again, my opinion is you defuse the situation like Refs have done so many times and move on to play basketball. Both players were hot after the incident.

 

[Chaplin]

Again, didn't say he instigated it. However, they both did a bit of acting once they "entangled". Again, my opinion is you defuse the situation like Refs have done so many times and move on to play basketball. Both players were hot after the incident.

We agree that the refs should have diffused it. We just disagree on how they should do that.

 

[Covert Rain]

We agree that the refs should have diffused it. We just disagree on how they should do that.

Fair enough.

 

[Mainstreet]

Middleton sprained his MCL last night. We'll see what they say after the MRI, but the Bucks chances of returning to the Finals have taken a huge hit.

Unfortunately injuries are a part of the game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Luka Doncic is out for game 3 with Jazz.

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