The Absurdity Continues...

Rats

Somanyfreaks,SofewCircus'
Joined
Sep 28, 2002
Posts
4,075
Reaction score
6
Considering that most polls that I have seen had us as the NFL's 12th most popular team and had us in the top 15 in merchandise sales. I would say you are very much mistaken.

Yeah before this season... bet bottom 5 after this year. We released the black Jersey in those numbers as well so that lifted us. We are laughed at by most media. Warner lifted us with his great story. Nothing more.
 

TJ

Frank Kaminsky is my Hero.
Joined
Apr 2, 2005
Posts
34,997
Reaction score
21,110
Location
South Bay
Yeah before this season... bet bottom 5 after this year. We released the black Jersey in those numbers as well so that lifted us. We are laughed at by most media. Warner lifted us with his great story. Nothing more.

Conjecture
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Yet, Green still lost to the worse teams in the league during his entire tenure in Arizona.

I was meaning to ask why Warner wasn't starting vs. the Bears in 2006?

Million Dollar first round bonus baby Leinart. Fans and owners wanted to see him play.

Warner was struggling early in 2006 including a 3int game vs the Rams with that heartbreaking fumble.

Leinart comes in against Atlanta and goes 6-9 for 54 yards then goes 22-35-253 2Td and 1 int vs KC the next week.

That's why Leinart was starting against the Bears.

But Warner was hardly finished. Finally starting again in the last game against SD he goes 22-32 356 yards and 1 TD.
 

Mulli

...
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2004
Posts
52,529
Reaction score
4,601
Location
Generational
Million Dollar first round bonus baby Leinart. Fans and owners wanted to see him play.

Warner was struggling early in 2006 including a 3int game vs the Rams with that heartbreaking fumble.

Leinart comes in against Atlanta and goes 6-9 for 54 yards then goes 22-35-253 2Td and 1 int vs KC the next week.

That's why Leinart was starting against the Bears.

But Warner was hardly finished. Finally starting again in the last game against SD he goes 22-32 356 yards and 1 TD.
So Green was saving Warner as his secret weapon, but Green got fired and didn;t get a chance to unleash him.
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,940
Reaction score
926
Location
In The End Zone
I haven't read through the entire thread, so I don't know what has been said, and what hasn't.

Whiz has shown signs of being a bit dictatorial and seemingly demonstrating his "power" over doing what is best for the team.

Examples:

-The Leinart case is one example, but that has been beat to death so I won't go into it.

-There is absolutely no reason Washington isn't starting other than Whiz pulling the "I make my rookies earn it" card. Was Washington awesome when he was in there? No, but Hayes has been worse. Absolutely terrible. Play Washington and let him grow with experience.

-Same situation with B-Rob. Why in the world is this guy starting? He brings nothing to the table at NT. Can Watson really be any worse?

-Not bringing in any good coordinators also bothers me. Does he feel challenged when other competent coaches are on his staff? Who knows. But him not having an offensive coordinator, and insisting on calling plays, is a rarity around the league for a reason. He can't spend time focusing on the details of the team and game while calling plays. The attention to detail has obviously suffered this season.

I am not on the "FIRE WHIZ" bandwagon. The most telling thing will be to see how he responds this offseason. Will he bring in good offensive and defensive coordinators? Will he hand over the play calling duties?

I think the players like Whiz, and buy into his philosophies, but that fades quickly when your not winning games. He is at risk of losing this team if he doesn't make some serious changes.

Just my thoughts.

You echo my thoughts.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
91,430
Reaction score
68,609
So in his first year, DG won six games with someone else's roster? Then in his final year, he won 5 with his own?

Great job.

seriously. People are lauding Green, who's GOOD teams were PERENNIAL pretenders and would always get their asses handed to them in the playoffs, but think that Wiz is a complete and utter moron, even though he was the OC for a 15-1 team with a rookie QB, then a Super Bowl Champion OC a year later and then took arguably the worst franchise in the history of pro sports and won them 2 straight division titles, multiple playoff games, an NFC Championship and had them within 35 seconds of winning a Super Bowl is, to quote the title of the thread:

ABSURD

That's not to say I think he's a genius. I've got SERIOUS reservations about the guy after this abortion of a season, but he's already accomplished more in three years with the worst franchise in sports than DG accomplished in 20 years with this organization and better ones.
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,940
Reaction score
926
Location
In The End Zone
Some might consider the topic of this thread as a piece of evidence in their greater argument, but in isolation--I just don't see how it's that big a deal. Skelton does not have a pro resume: it's totally fair for the coach to say we want to evaluate you in relation to the alternative. They are battling for this week's starting spot, not to see who gets cut. It also doesn't mean that Whiz doesn't expect Skelton to start or is even 50/50.

I agree with all of this. Especially the first line because that is the reason it pisses me off. I think at this point, the "best players play" and "competition at all areas" mantra has been proven to be sporadic at best (B-rob, Hayes) and throwing it out as some motivational tool just smacks of doing it for the sake of doing it. It really doesn't matter on its own, and yes it is coachspeak and doesn't mean anything, really.

However, it just reinforces the perception that I have of Whis being stubborn for stubborn's sake, and that I don't trust his assessment of talent because he doesn't seem to trust himself. It says more to me about the ability of Whis and company to develop a QB if someone who they traded up to get and has been here all year, late in the season would even have the inkling of having to "compete" with a UFL guy off the street. That's a statement on Whis, not on Skelton, IMO. It's not a good statement, either.
 

Shane

Comin for you!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,075
Reaction score
39,026
Location
Las Vegas
seriously. People are lauding Green, who's GOOD teams were PERENNIAL pretenders and would always get their asses handed to them in the playoffs, but think that Wiz is a complete and utter moron, even though he was the OC for a 15-1 team with a rookie QB, then a Super Bowl Champion OC a year later and then took arguably the worst franchise in the history of pro sports and won them 2 straight division titles, multiple playoff games, an NFC Championship and had them within 35 seconds of winning a Super Bowl is, to quote the title of the thread:

ABSURD

That's not to say I think he's a genius. I've got SERIOUS reservations about the guy after this abortion of a season, but he's already accomplished more in three years with the worst franchise in sports than DG accomplished in 20 years with this organization and better ones.

DING DING DING! Winner!
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,940
Reaction score
926
Location
In The End Zone
Rats weren't you the guy championing Josh McCown?

Whisenhunt could have done literally anything this season and I would have said he deserves next year. You can't just be so change with the wind and expect to be a goot team over the long haul. Longevity and consistency are the end game but different coaches that have become great, took different paths to get there.

I thought Wiz was a great coach the past three years and I think this year was a complete overhaul. He won with Dennys players and now he is changing the team in his image and with his players. He deserves more then one season to complete the job.

Has he made some mistakes? Yes. Does he likely not have enough push back by anyone in the FO, causing him to make mistakes personnel wise? It is sure looking that way.

A good coach makes mistakes, but then takes steps to correct those. I expect a complete overhaul in Arizona this offseason from the quarterback position to the coordinators (hopefully Grimm is swiped by Carolina and we use that money elesewhere on coordinators) to likely some surprise cuts.

If not then I'll reevaluate my faith in him.

I happen to think 3 years of what seemed like good decisions for the most part outweighs one year of mistake after mistake compiling. And I still think had he made a better decision under center, then the defense, and DRC, and the run game, and all those issues would have been less glaring mistakes.

The people who want to fire Wiz now, never really bought into him in the first place because I can't imagine people are so reactionary they flip that quick, and fail to realize how important stability is in the NFL.

I have always been a believer. And one bad year isn't going to make me change that.

But he better get the Quarterback right this offseason, or he might not have that two more years that TJ and Shane said he does earlier in this thread.

I agree with this too.

I still like Whis, but this season sure has dented his halo in my mind.
 

40yearfan

DEFENSE!!!!
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2003
Posts
35,013
Reaction score
456
Location
Phoenix, AZ.
seriously. People are lauding Green, who's GOOD teams were PERENNIAL pretenders and would always get their asses handed to them in the playoffs, but think that Wiz is a complete and utter moron, even though he was the OC for a 15-1 team with a rookie QB, then a Super Bowl Champion OC a year later and then took arguably the worst franchise in the history of pro sports and won them 2 straight division titles, multiple playoff games, an NFC Championship and had them within 35 seconds of winning a Super Bowl is, to quote the title of the thread:

ABSURD

That's not to say I think he's a genius. I've got SERIOUS reservations about the guy after this abortion of a season, but he's already accomplished more in three years with the worst franchise in sports than DG accomplished in 20 years with this organization and better ones.

Emotional and argumentative, but correct as hell.

Vintage Cheese.:thumbup:
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,940
Reaction score
926
Location
In The End Zone
Yeah, I hear ya' but considering that we lost two QBs in less than 5 minutes last week it's hard to say what the right combo is.

I am torn there. I would definitely give the lions share of the reps to Skelton, no thought required....but....the oline is still atrocious and it is likely that John will be limping off the field after his 4th sack in a row.
 

ASUCHRIS

ONE HEART BEAT!!!
Joined
Sep 2, 2002
Posts
16,535
Reaction score
14,718
seriously. People are lauding Green, who's GOOD teams were PERENNIAL pretenders and would always get their asses handed to them in the playoffs, but think that Wiz is a complete and utter moron, even though he was the OC for a 15-1 team with a rookie QB, then a Super Bowl Champion OC a year later and then took arguably the worst franchise in the history of pro sports and won them 2 straight division titles, multiple playoff games, an NFC Championship and had them within 35 seconds of winning a Super Bowl is, to quote the title of the thread:

ABSURD

That's not to say I think he's a genius. I've got SERIOUS reservations about the guy after this abortion of a season, but he's already accomplished more in three years with the worst franchise in sports than DG accomplished in 20 years with this organization and better ones.

Amen...the short sightedness of this board is stunning at times.

Oh, and I can't take anyone seriously who is pining for Dennis Green. Talk about an instant credibility killer.
 

Arizona's Finest

Your My Favorite Mistake
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Posts
9,709
Reaction score
1
seriously. People are lauding Green, who's GOOD teams were PERENNIAL pretenders and would always get their asses handed to them in the playoffs, but think that Wiz is a complete and utter moron, even though he was the OC for a 15-1 team with a rookie QB, then a Super Bowl Champion OC a year later and then took arguably the worst franchise in the history of pro sports and won them 2 straight division titles, multiple playoff games, an NFC Championship and had them within 35 seconds of winning a Super Bowl is, to quote the title of the thread:

ABSURD

That's not to say I think he's a genius. I've got SERIOUS reservations about the guy after this abortion of a season, but he's already accomplished more in three years with the worst franchise in sports than DG accomplished in 20 years with this organization and better ones.

You must be registered for see images attach
 

Shane

Comin for you!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,075
Reaction score
39,026
Location
Las Vegas
Really? Would like to know where you heard that.

He was being facetious. :D

BAsically mocking Rats IMO saying that if Green was so good why weren't you playing Warner.
 

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
553,677
Posts
5,410,680
Members
6,319
Latest member
route66
Top