The Absurdity Continues...

[bg7brd]

Sorry if I like the coach who has made great wholesale changes for this franchise making us irrelevant. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives. You and the other haters just dont get it nor want to even consider this. Would you like Denny Green back? How about Dave McGinnis? And if you want Whis gone, who do you want as a replacement, because Gruden and Cowher arent calling their agents telling them to aggressively pursue the non-vacant Cards' position.

As for both sides of the ball. Whis is an OC by trade and having him call the plays does not bother me the least bit. If he wants to wear that hat, by all means go for it. For defense, he delegates the entire responsibility to the DC as most coaches do, i.e. Rex Ryan giving the OC reigns to B. Schottenheimer. I've been around many coaches who do this. The last team I worked with had the HC making all of the offensive calls and entrusted the entire defensive side of the ball to another coach.

****ing people need to realize that the offensive play calling is not the problem. It's the execution of the plays. When you have DA and a crappy o-line, there isnt much you can do. This recruiting does fall on Whis but in the past, he's done a good job at it, so I think for now he is absolved. The only laurel Ill extend is that if the losing becomes pathological next season, then the knob on the stove needs to be turned on.

In addition to which, people need to stop hanging on every word the man says. Ive never seen so many threads dedicated to press conferences, interviews and word of mouth speech. Attempted mind reading is only going to cause you further anxiety, paranoia and stress.

Ive been on Cards message boards (official site, ASFN, etc.) since 2003 and Ive never seen worse sophomoric analysis of the team and its personnel in my life. There is a good chance Whisenhunt will be here for at least two more years. Get over yourselves.

Nicely put!!!

 

[Shane]

Sorry if I like the coach who has made great wholesale changes for this franchise making us irrelevant. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives. You and the other haters just dont get it nor want to even consider this. Would you like Denny Green back? How about Dave McGinnis? And if you want Whis gone, who do you want as a replacement, because Gruden and Cowher arent calling their agents telling them to aggressively pursue the non-vacant Cards' position.

As for both sides of the ball. Whis is an OC by trade and having him call the plays does not bother me the least bit. If he wants to wear that hat, by all means go for it. For defense, he delegates the entire responsibility to the DC as most coaches do, i.e. Rex Ryan giving the OC reigns to B. Schottenheimer. I've been around many coaches who do this. The last team I worked with had the HC making all of the offensive calls and entrusted the entire defensive side of the ball to another coach.

****ing people need to realize that the offensive play calling is not the problem. It's the execution of the plays. When you have DA and a crappy o-line, there isnt much you can do. This recruiting does fall on Whis but in the past, he's done a good job at it, so I think for now he is absolved. The only laurel Ill extend is that if the losing becomes pathological next season, then the knob on the stove needs to be turned on.

In addition to which, people need to stop hanging on every word the man says. Ive never seen so many threads dedicated to press conferences, interviews and word of mouth speech. Attempted mind reading is only going to cause you further anxiety, paranoia and stress.

Ive been on Cards message boards (official site, ASFN, etc.) since 2003 and Ive never seen worse sophomoric analysis of the team and its personnel in my life. There is a good chance Whisenhunt will be here for at least two more years. Get over yourselves.

All accurate and well posted. Reference the bolded? Probably longer especially when he has us winning again withing those 2 years.

 

[TJ]

Sorry if I like the coach who has made great wholesale changes for this franchise making us relevant. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives. You and the other haters just dont get it nor want to even consider this. Would you like Denny Green back? How about Dave McGinnis? And if you want Whis gone, who do you want as a replacement, because Gruden and Cowher arent calling their agents telling them to aggressively pursue the non-vacant Cards' position.

As for both sides of the ball. Whis is an OC by trade and having him call the plays does not bother me the least bit. If he wants to wear that hat, by all means go for it. For defense, he delegates the entire responsibility to the DC as most coaches do, i.e. Rex Ryan giving the OC reigns to B. Schottenheimer. I've been around many coaches who do this. The last team I worked with had the HC making all of the offensive calls and entrusted the entire defensive side of the ball to another coach.

****ing people need to realize that the offensive play calling is not the problem. It's the execution of the plays. When you have DA and a crappy o-line, there isnt much you can do. This recruiting does fall on Whis but in the past, he's done a good job at it, so I think for now he is absolved. The only laurel Ill extend is that if the losing becomes pathological next season, then the knob on the stove needs to be turned on.

In addition to which, people need to stop hanging on every word the man says. Ive never seen so many threads dedicated to press conferences, interviews and word of mouth speech. Attempted mind reading is only going to cause you further anxiety, paranoia and stress.

Ive been on Cards message boards (official site, ASFN, etc.) since 2003 and Ive never seen worse sophomoric analysis of the team and its personnel in my life. There is a good chance Whisenhunt will be here for at least two more years. Get over yourselves.

*relevant....oops

 

[chickenhead]

Some might consider the topic of this thread as a piece of evidence in their greater argument, but in isolation--I just don't see how it's that big a deal. Skelton does not have a pro resume: it's totally fair for the coach to say we want to evaluate you in relation to the alternative. They are battling for this week's starting spot, not to see who gets cut. It also doesn't mean that Whiz doesn't expect Skelton to start or is even 50/50.

 

[Shane]

Well said

Oh for heaven sake will you make up your mind? He said he isnt in the "fire Whiz" bandwagon?

How on earth could you agree with it?

 

[TJ]

All accurate and well posted. Reference the bolded? Probably longer especially when he has us winning again withing those 2 years.

Exactly. My point was hes probably not getting fired next season. I could do another soliloquy on that except I have two crying children driving me nuts

 

[Shane]

Exactly. My point was hes probably not getting fired next season. I could do another soliloquy on that except I have two crying children driving me nuts

Gotta love twins

 

[Rats]

Sorry if I like the coach who has made great wholesale changes for this franchise making us irrelevant. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives. You and the other haters just dont get it nor w ant to even consider this. Would you like Denny Green back?

Your quote not mine. He has made us irrelevant and once he swept DG players from the roster we are again the doormat of the league. More and more send me messages that say you had this called right. I would kill to have DG back. They pulled the plug to soon on him. He inherited a Triple A roster and was rebuilding it. Whisenhunt just showed up at the right time. Now he has to stand on his own and has not been able to. We will see if it is because he is overated or the Front office hamstrings him. I think it is a bit of both. Either way defend him if you must but eat the crow if he never turns it around here. I will if he does with his own guys.

 

[TJ]

Sorry if I like the coach who has made great wholesale changes for this franchise making us irrelevant. The positives FAR outweigh the negatives. You and the other haters just dont get it nor w ant to even consider this. Would you like Denny Green back?

Your quote not mine. He has made us irrelevant and once he swept DG players from the roster we are again the doormat of the league. More and more send me messages that say you had this called right. I would kill to have DG back. They pulled the plug to soon on him. He inherited a Triple A roster and was rebuilding it. Whisenhunt just showed up at the right time. Now he has to stand on his own and has not been able to. We will see if it is because he is overated or the Front office hamstrings him. I think it is a bit of both. Either way defend him if you must but eat the crow if he never turns it around here. I will if he does with his own guys.

That was a freudian slip on my part. I corrected myself. But this shows youll find anything to beef up your piss poor argument. You know this as well as I. You and the others are embarrassing yourselves. My suggestion: take a leave of absence and come back to ASFN next season.

BTW....Ill let someone else tear you apart about the assertion that DG is a better coach than Whis

 

[Mulli]

Fired Green too soon? What? Whether it was Haley or Whiz that got Warner back to being Warner, it wasn't Green. And it wasn't going to be him.

 

[Rats]

That was a freudian slip on my part. I corrected myself. But this shows youll find anything to beef up your piss poor argument. You know this as well as I. You and the others are embarrassing yourselves. My suggestion: **** and come back to ASFN next season.

So as it stands today we are not irrelevant? We are the worst team in the NFC Worst. We are near the bottom in most every catagory that has a stat including the one that counts, Wins. The Headcoach made blunder after blunder and yet you continue to defend him as if he is Lombardi himself. The only saving grace for Whis is that I hope he is being hampered by a known quantity( the front office)that is historically bad because I just find it hard to believe he is as stupid as some of the moves he has made this season. Get a OC, hire a real DC and find away to get more than has beens on the roster. This should have been a mild rebuild not a full blown meltdown like we have witnessed. And by the way I have been a Cards fan my entire life spanning 45 years. I will say what ever I like with regards to them I believe I have earned it as many here have so don't offer advice unless you are willing to take your own.

 

[john h]

Yea maybe DA can teach em how to get maimed and not die. I like players to compete too, but this is Johns job already, He beat out Matt Leinart as the 3rd cards QB.

Matts the luckiest sapp in the world right now.

Yes Matt is lucky. He makes millions for sitting on the bench as a 3rd string QB who likely will not make one pass this year. I think he is on a one year deal so it will be interesting to see who or if anyone will sign him. I still think with his looks and size he is a perfect guy for Hollywood or even on a soap opry. That may be your real calling Matt.

 

[Rats]

Fired Green too soon? What? Whether it was Haley or Whiz that got Warner back to being Warner, it wasn't Green. And it wasn't going to be him.

BS.....DG brought him here. Kurt Warner convinced them he could play. I was told by the coaches on the staff he was the guy. I was trying to defend McCown as more upside and they said Kurt was the real deal. I knew they were right. His re-emergence did not begin with a new coaching staff. Haley recognized what good coaches do and exploited it with a good relationship with Kurt. Kurt given free reign on O was going to light it up in a pass first offense no matter what happened. You WHizzers give him to much credit for Kurts comeback IMO

 

[Mulli]

BS.....DG brought him here. Kurt Warner convinced them he could play. I was told by the coaches on the staff he was the guy. I was trying to defend McCown as more upside and they said Kurt was the real deal. I knew they were right. His re-emergence did not begin with a new coaching staff. Haley recognized what good coaches do and exploited it with a good relationship with Kurt. Kurt given free reign on O was going to light it up in a pass first offense no matter what happened. You WHizzers give him to much credit for Kurts comeback IMO

I give you it might have been Haley. It certainly wasn't the Nutty Professor.

 

[bg7brd]

Exactly. My point was hes probably not getting fired next season. I could do another soliloquy on that except I have two crying children driving me nuts

azsouthendzone and rats?

 

[john h]

Dont see what's wrong with him battling it out with another QB.

On the surface, it may sound absurd; however, I see the inner workings of this. It's to see if he can handle pressure and to not take this opportunity for granted. Whis admitted last week that Skelton is raw and being groomed to play down the road. Now this situation is thrown in his lap and has little choice but to play the guy. Sounds like a great opportunity to test his mental toughness. Skelton will probably start though so for us fans this should mean very little.

In addition, you harped on this all the time with Matt Leinart and approved of St. Pierre pushing him for the #2 spot last season when it seemed more than obvious he had no chance of supplanting him. What's the difference between those two situations? Very little.

I am not interested about either of these two QBs. Neither are likely to take us anywhere. I want to know the plan for the future. This season was lost weeks ago. Everyone who watches football knew back early on we had major QB problems. He made one telling comment the other day when he said management refused to sign on NFL QB because they did not want to be PAYING for three QBs at one time (Matt, Anderson, and the QB Whiz wanted to add). Money did in fact enter into the QB equation. It always does with the Cards.

I do not like saying it but I hope we lose out for the rest of the season. When I watch the games I really cheer for the Cards but my brain knows we are better off in the long run if we lose out and are able to get a potential QBOTF.

 

[Rats]

azsouthendzone and rats?

Now that is damn funny....and I do find that my naps refresh me...

 

[earthsci]

I give you it might have been Haley. It certainly wasn't the Nutty Professor.

Not that it has anything to do with the coaching aspect but I do know that Warner and Fitz both like Whiz a lot. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to bet that if Whiz is the coach when Fitz and the Cards negotiate a new contract, he will stay. If Whiz is gone, so is Fitz.

 

[Mulli]

Not that it has anything to do with the coaching aspect but I do know that Warner and Fitz both like Whiz a lot. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to bet that if Whiz is the coach when Fitz and the Cards negotiate a new contract, he will stay. If Whiz is gone, so is Fitz.

 

[john h]

Thank you, I've come in off the ledge.

It doesn't really sound like Whis is as dumb as mitch made it seem...just sounds like Skelton is saying nothing it being handed to him. A far cry from the insinuation that he's going to have to battle a nobody off the street in order to start. It seems more like the kid is being humble.

Good interview.

I did leave my shoes out on the ledge though in case Bartel is the starter.

Edit: Oh, I skimmed over the QB coach saying EXACTLY that. shoes are on...ledge looks inviting...

Saying Skelton is going to have to battle the no name does not bother me at all. Skelton should clean the floor with him any way you look at it. The question to me if Anderson is well do you start him or Skelton. If Whiz is true to his past statements Anderson will start as in Whiz thought process he gives us the best chance to win.

If you entered your final season game in which if you lost you get the #1 pick in the draft and take a potential great QB do you go into the tank or play as hard as you can to win and end up losing the potential great QB like a Peyton Manning? The coach can say to the team what he wants but the players may look at it and see losing is a better long term option for their careers and play just like they want. I know it is great to think you always give it 100% but in the real world people are going to act in their own best interest in most cases. How many of you out there would like for the Cards to lose out and then be able to draft Luck or whoever you think is the answer to our QB problem? You can be assured the bookies would take such scenarios into establishing a line on such a game.

 

[Rats]

Not that it has anything to do with the coaching aspect but I do know that Warner and Fitz both like Whiz a lot. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to bet that if Whiz is the coach when Fitz and the Cards negotiate a new contract, he will stay. If Whiz is gone, so is Fitz.

I agree that they like him. He allowed them to recreate the "Greatest Show" in the desert. What is not to like when the HC turns the keys to the Porsche over to you and says step on the gas son. I wouldn't hate on a coach like that, as a player, but I would be cautious after the fact when things are coming unraveled not to say to much about the current direction and coaches that have been brought in and players that are discarded. Warner wants a future with the Cards and the NFL here in the valley. IMO he will not let out how he really feels or felt. Not for years ala Dan Dierdorf in STL. It was much later that he began bad mouthing the Cards ownership publically because he liked being on TV. Even though everything he said was true and was said off camara. Kurt may never engage in any of that because the Cards gave him a shot when no one else would. He is the eptimom of what a Qb and leader should be IMO. Fitz will find an offense to play in here or somewhere else. He is a gamer and wants some NFL records. Hope that Whiz takes the Porsche back out of the garage and steps on the gas again or Fitz is gone no matter how much he likes Whis.

 

[TJ]

I am not interested about either of these two QBs. Neither are likely to take us anywhere. I want to know the plan for the future. This season was lost weeks ago. Everyone who watches football knew back early on we had major QB problems. He made one telling comment the other day when he said management refused to sign on NFL QB because they did not want to be PAYING for three QBs at one time (Matt, Anderson, and the QB Whiz wanted to add). Money did in fact enter into the QB equation. It always does with the Cards.

This I agree with. Organizations dont draft QBs in the 5th round expecting them to become the next Tom Brady. If they pan out, it is a huge bonus and a feather in the cap. But like you said, the season is lost. Why not take a shot with Skelton. Who knows what we have in him. He may have the tools we need to operate the offense.

I do not like saying it but I hope we lose out for the rest of the season. When I watch the games I really cheer for the Cards but my brain knows we are better off in the long run if we lose out and are able to get a potential QBOTF.

Disagree. You never say "lose out to get a QBoF." It doesnt make sense. All you are doing is pissing off fans and setting yourself up for a potential colossal failure. There never are guarantees in the draft. For example, in 2007, it seemed all but certain Joe Thomas would drop to us. He didnt and Graves ended up reaching for Levi Brown.

If we dont get the #1 pick and Luck isnt there when we select, then the organization just set itself up to possibly stretch for another talent not worth the slot he would be in and have to pay a premium. Not good for a team notorious for being frugal and not signing 1st rounders in time for TC.

 

[Duckjake]

I give you it might have been Haley. It certainly wasn't the Nutty Professor.

The Cards had the #1 passing offense in the NFL in 2005.

It was everything else on the team that was nutty.

Just like having the highest ypc average rushing by their two lead backs since 2002 in 2009. Only the 2nd time since the early 1990s going over 4ypc as a team rushing. Scoring 16 rushing TDs, the 2nd highest total since 1984, and allowing only 24 sacks....

And then completely redoing the offensive line because Gandy wasn't coming back including moving Levi Brown to LT a similar mistake to what the Nutty Professor had made in 2004.

Now that's nutty.

 

[Mulli]

The Cards had the #1 passing offense in the NFL in 2005.

It was everything else on the team that was nutty.

Just like having the highest ypc average rushing by their two lead backs since 2002 in 2009. Only the 2nd time since the early 1990s going over 4ypc as a team rushing, scoring 16 rushing TDs, and allowing only 24 sacks.

And then completely redoing the offensive line because Gandy wasn't coming back including moving Levi Brown to LT a similar mistake to what the Nutty Professor had made in 2004.

Now that's nutty.

Yet, Green still lost to the worse teams in the league during his entire tenure in Arizona.

I was meaning to ask why Warner wasn't starting vs. the Bears in 2006?

 

[Rats]

The Cards had the #1 passing offense in the NFL in 2005.

It was everything else on the team that was nutty.

Just like having the highest ypc average rushing by their two lead backs since 2002 in 2009. Only the 2nd time since the early 1990s going over 4ypc as a team rushing. Scoring 16 rushing TDs, the 2nd highest total since 1984, and allowing only 24 sacks....
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And then completely redoing the offensive line because G andy wasn't coming back including moving Levi Brown to LT a similar mistake to what the Nutty Professor had made in 2004.

Now that's nutty.

Amazing the speed the Whizzers abandoned the thread when facts show up. DG got that while rebuilding after inheriting a roster devoid of talent (save Q). Had been allowed to continue we would have won many division titles with more than 9-7 records. He did elsewhere and would have here except for ownership and his Monday night tirade. No way they were getting out of the way of hais ego. But at least he had the eye for talent to back it up.