The Atlanta Pick is starting to look really scary for us

[ma_falaa_50]

If he cant play for Don nelson's offense what makes you think he can play under dantoni's offense?

thrs a reason he has been benched for most of his career. His number in ASU was inflated becuase 90 percent of all the plays were run strictly for him.

he may halp us rebound but dantoni doesnt really give many minutes to his bench so he wont diogu wont help.

 

[F-Dog]

ah yes....but they would have also had the opportunity to draft Darko or Kaman.

No way Darko was going to slip to #4, and no way Kaman would have been drafted over Bosh. Kaman was considered a reach at #6 at the time.

The reason I use 2003 is that this draft is considered to be deep. Even in a deep draft, there's a good chance the quality is gone by #9 or #10.



I think the Suns have done a decent job recently in avoiding whiffs--even Diogu is a solid player for #21 overall, which is where the Suns wanted to draft him. The problem IMO is that they've been too selective, repeatedly showing up on draft day with only one name on their card.

As things stand now, if the Suns really are looking at Noah with Yi as the backup pick (or Yi with Noah as the backup), they need to get to at least #7 overall (#6 overall would be better). Anything below that and they're begging for another Thabo Sefolosha situation.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

I dont understand why people like Yi so much. If I had a pick between Noah and Yi; I would pick Noah. We have seen what Noah can do whether or not the gators repeat it doesnt really matter. Noah has shown what he can do during pressure games (NCAA tournament). what has YI done? His team guandong lost- they won the last 3 titles. They lost cost Wang zhizhi was posting him up.

we dnt really need another tweener that does not know hwo to play defense.

I think the dantoni should be more open to other players and not just get enamoured wiht one player. They have a lot of holes to address getting better offensively isnt really one of them.

D'antoni is very stubborn though I doubt he will pick a defensive player if the suns get atlanta's pick.

 

[TBaslim]

Given the success the Suns have had reading the draft recently, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I'm less than enthused by their (supposed) confidence.

What's the basis of that statement?

They had the right talent pegged in last year's draft (Thabo - who will keep getting better) - just couldn't make it happen for the price they wanted.

Previous years - well...Marion and Amare drafted at #9 and Barbs with #29 seem like pretty savvy moves to me.

The Suns draft record on the whole in the last 15 years is much better then most of the league. Does not mean they don't make mistakes, but that's why the draft is more art then science.

EDIT: On the mistake side - definately trading #7 couple years back. But still - great draft record overall.

 

[slinslin]

Just root for Milwaukee to go 1-10 in their last 11 and Atlanta cant get top3 odds even if they lose every game they have left.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

brendan wright is very raw but if he declares he prolly be gone. If the suns do get atlanta's pick - I would hate to see them draft YI.

 

[Muggum]

Let's say we get the best of all worlds, and Atlanta finishes third from the bottom and someone leapfrogs them, so we end up picking #4.

My feeling is this... no way does D'Antoni bring anyone in who can't shoot with range. I just think he's too in love with offense to play 4 on 5 at that end of the floor, not matter how defensively impressive a player is.

Consequently, I think Noah is out. Hibbert is out. Brandan Wright is out. Thabeet and Hawes are out. Horford may be the guy, because he certainly has touch, but we already have two low-post players in Stoudemire and Diaw.

Jeff Green is terrific. Like Marion, he has the ability to guard almost anyone on the floor. And he can score. But I don't think he has the 3 point range D'Antoni would want from a 3. And we already have Marion, of course.

Which brings us to Yi Jianlian. Bottom line... something about this guy screams 'Suns' to me. Can shoot from anywhere, apparently. Deep range. Quick, athletic, can handle the ball, and loves to run. And the Suns have had great success with foreigners recently, so they're going to be more inclined to lean that direction.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have the foggiest idea who the Suns *should* take. I was totally depressed when they took Stoudemire, having fallen in love with Wilcox while watching Maryland. So I'm a huge idiot. I just can't shake the idea that Jianlian *reads* like a Sun when you check out his profile.

 

[CaptainInsano]

For anyone who wants to keep an eye on the picks current position this is a link of the entire leage rated from worst to best:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stand...gue&column=winPercent&order=true&seasontype=2

 

[Mainstreet]

Which brings us to Yi Jianlian. Bottom line... something about this guy screams 'Suns' to me. Can shoot from anywhere, apparently. Deep range. Quick, athletic, can handle the ball, and loves to run. And the Suns have had great success with foreigners recently, so they're going to be more inclined to lean that direction.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have the foggiest idea who the Suns *should* take. I was totally depressed when they took Stoudemire, having fallen in love with Wilcox while watching Maryland. So I'm a huge idiot. I just can't shake the idea that Jianlian *reads* like a Sun when you check out his profile.

I find your thought process very logical, not that I agree that the Suns would select Yi. IMO, Yi is a player the Suns would consider drafting with the Atlanta pick if they get it and stand pat in the draft (but out of the say top four or five). However, indications are the the the Suns would try to move up in the draft if possible to get the player they want and I'm just thinking Yi is not that player.

Your description of Yi brought back memories of Zarko, however, it is not fair to compare these two players. In regard to Wilcox, I was wanting the Suns to get Wilcox and Nene before Stoudemire so you have some company. However, the Suns made a no brainer where they selected Stoudemire at number #9 (or whatever). Let's just be glad the Suns did not get a chance to draft Skita.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

see I never followed the draft quite like I have this year. Whenever there were suns draft coverage on fox 10 stoudemire , wilcox , and skita were who they were looking at.

 

[Muggum]

Oh yeah, I also wanted Skita more than Amare... lol!

Here's my question... is scouting SUCH an inexact science that people couldn't see that Amare Stoudemire was tremendously better than Skita? Or Wilcox? Or Mike Dunleavy Jr.? Or Drew Gooden? Or DeJuan Wagner, for God's sake?!

What did Jerry Colangelo sneak into the Horchata at the 2002 general manager pre-draft fiesta?!

And let's not forget, Carlos Boozer went #35 in that draft!

Talk about some GMs and scouts who needed firing...

 

[Muggum]

And let's not forget, we took Casey Jacobsen over Tayshaun Prince, Nenad Kristic and Boozer.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

lets hope dantoni would fare better than jerry colangelo

 

[AZBALLER]

If he cant play for Don nelson's offense what makes you think he can play under dantoni's offense?

thrs a reason he has been benched for most of his career. His number in ASU was inflated becuase 90 percent of all the plays were run strictly for him.

he may halp us rebound but dantoni doesnt really give many minutes to his bench so he wont diogu wont help.

He can score inside or he can drain an outside jumper plus he can rebound a little.
I think that's the kind of player Mike likes?

He's been benched for half of his career because he's been hurt for a majority of his career.

The only real question with him is if he could run with the Suns.

Trust me, his #'s weren't inflated at ASU, 90% of the plays weren't run for him, to the dismay of all ASU fans. He should have gotten way more touches on those bad teams.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

sarver said they wont hold onto all 3 picks if they get it. they want to trade up.

the question is who are they anamoured with?

 

[ma_falaa_50]

He can score inside or he can drain an outside jumper plus he can rebound a little.
I think that's the kind of player Mike likes?

He's been benched for half of his career because he's been hurt for a majority of his career.

The only real question with him is if he could run with the Suns.

Trust me, his #'s weren't inflated at ASU, 90% of the plays weren't run for him, to the dismay of all ASU fans. He should have gotten way more touches on those bad teams.

all good points. He is till an nab bust in my book.

 

[Muggum]

It also wouldn't surprise me if we were secretly starting to covet Mike Conley. His stock is soaring, and D'Antoni has long been desperate for his PG of the future. Who knows whether he considers Barbosa that guy or not. Banks certainly isn't.

 

[JCSunsfan]

sarver said they wont hold onto all 3 picks if they get it. they want to trade up.

the question is who are they anamoured with?

I think there is another question. Do they want 1 or 2 players?

Let's say they want 1 player from this draft, and the Atlanta pick ends up at 5.
They will have the 5 pick, and (say) 21, and 29. They will also have players they can deal--almost anyone except Nash, Marion, and Amare. So how far up will that get you. It seems to me that they could move up as high as #3. The #1 and #2 picks are pretty much unattainable. The #3 is a hot potato pick because the talent is really close from 3 to 7 or 8.

Conclusion. If the Suns want to deal, and they only want one pick in this draft, they will likely pick 3.

But let's say they really want 2 players. I can see Acie Law as a player that DAntoni would really like. He runs, he's a floor general, and he can shoot. Could they package, say 21, 29, and James Jones (or someone else), to move up and take Law somewhere around 13?

 

[elindholm]

I don't follow college basketball, but my hunch is that Oden is staying in school. Just a gut feeling, based on what I've read about his personality and development.

 

[F-Dog]

What's the basis of that statement?

Well, last year they went into the draft looking to package their picks and move up to #15 or so, where they would draft Sefolosha. They had trouble moving up on draft day, and then Sefolosha was gone before their target picks even came up.

Two years ago, the Suns executed their classic 'lockdown' maneuver on Ike Diogu, hoping he would drop to #21 as a result. Diogu wound up getting picked 9th overall--he lasted less than halfway to their pick.

Three years ago, the Suns traded away the #7 pick the night before the draft, after deciding that Andre Iguodala would be already be taken by that pick. Iguodala would up lasting until the #9 pick.


As I said, they can't read the draft.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

Well, last year they went into the draft looking to package their picks and move up to #15 or so, where they would draft Sefolosha. They had trouble moving up on draft day, and then Sefolosha was gone before their target picks even came up.

Two years ago, the Suns executed their classic 'lockdown' maneuver on Ike Diogu, hoping he would drop to #21 as a result. Diogu wound up getting picked 9th overall--he lasted less than halfway to their pick.

Three years ago, the Suns traded away the #7 pick the night before the draft, after deciding that Andre Iguodala would be already be taken by that pick. Iguodala would up lasting until the #9 pick.


As I said, they can't read the draft.

the question really is, who had the last say on who gets drafted. This time its dantoni thats in the war room. did he okay trading those other picks?

I always Knew Bryan Colangelo was an idiot by the way he treated the Dan majerle situation, trading 3 picks for Mcdyess and not signing him back, and trying to outwit robert sarver (pay me more or else ill leave for toronto).

Although these suns team has enough talent to compete for an NBA championship, personally I dont think they are going to win it this yr. they have to get some sense of responsibility and commitment to play defense.

If I were dantoni I would pick whomever is the most talented player left on the board and be more open to drafting other players rather than be infatuated with one certain player.

Experts say this draft is going to be a deep draft but the chances of drafting an impact player is still the same.

Dantoni shold take this serously and for once not be so cocky. Its good to have swagger but he is cocky(check out the lame excuses after we lost to GS).

 

[Sunshooter]

Childress out for season

I don't konw Hawks how to win a game.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

It doesnt matter Phx has the talent to win the championship but they dont play like it. look no further from the grizzles game. Dont be surprised when they lose.

 

[TBaslim]

I always Knew Bryan Colangelo was an idiot...

And your credibility reaches zero.

 

[sunsfn]

the question really is, who had the last say on who gets drafted. This time its dantoni thats in the war room. did he okay trading those other picks?

I always Knew Bryan Colangelo was an idiot by the way he treated the Dan majerle situation, trading 3 picks for Mcdyess and not signing him back, and trying to outwit robert sarver (pay me more or else ill leave for toronto).

Although these suns team has enough talent to compete for an NBA championship, personally I dont think they are going to win it this yr. they have to get some sense of responsibility and commitment to play defense.

If I were dantoni I would pick whomever is the most talented player left on the board and be more open to drafting other players rather than be infatuated with one certain player.

Experts say this draft is going to be a deep draft but the chances of drafting an impact player is still the same.

Dantoni shold take this serously and for once not be so cocky. Its good to have swagger but he is cocky(check out the lame excuses after we lost to GS).

D'Antoni needs to get serious with the draft!!! Do you really think he is not serious about this draft!?

Bryan Colangelo an idiot! Bryan Colangelo this year is up for another GM of the year award for what he did in Toronto!

You posted something like this the other day and I just let it go instead of getting in an arguement with you, but you just keep it up!

This is one of the most lame posts ever on this board!!