The Bleacher Report 10-07-2010 The possible truth about our Head Coach

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Is Ken Whisenhunt The Problem In Arizona?
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/482786-ken-whisenhunt-is-the-reason-for-the-arizona-cardinals-downfall

Please go to this site if you have the courage to read what I have been saying all along.


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I stopped reading as soon as he said Whisenhunt brought discipline to the Cardinals and Clancy Pendergast was a "great DC."
 

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What the hell is the Bleacher Report the Onion of sports news? I'm disappointed in Wiz this year, but he will turn it around. Leinart did not have a rapport with players according to the coaching staff and it's not "impossible" to imagine an offense putting 41 points on a defense with DRC and AW because AW can't cover in man and it's hard for DRC to do his job when the opposing QB has all day to throw. That article was pure crap and included absolutely nothing that was already discussed in here. I want 5 minutes of my life back.
 

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The thing you have to understand about the bleacher report is it's essentially a bunch of fans like us, who are "writing" stories that are posted on the website.

Here's the author of that article's self description, his name is Ronnie Hampston:

"Welcome to my sports world. I am from Columbus, Ohio and I currently live in College Station, Texas. I am a sports addict I plan on providing a wide variety of sports articles. I graduated from the University of Cincinnati in 2009 I am currently working on my Master's Degree at the University of Phoenix. I like to travel, play basketball, and enjoy life. Follow me on twitter @sportsgossip247"

So he's from Ohio, went to school in Texas, but he is taking classes from UOP so I guess that qualifies him as an "insider" with the Cards?

Some of what he says is plausible, much of it is just conjecture or guesswork. It's no more credible than virtually any post on this board.

He's not working for ESPN, SI etc.

He may in fact be right but only by guessing, he doesn't have some inside access.
 

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The thing you have to understand about the bleacher report is it's essentially a bunch of fans like us, who are "writing" stories that are posted on the website.

Here's the author of that article's self description, his name is Ronnie Hampston:

"Welcome to my sports world. I am from Columbus, Ohio and I currently live in College Station, Texas. I am a sports addict I plan on providing a wide variety of sports articles. I graduated from the University of Cincinnati in 2009 I am currently working on my Master's Degree at the University of Phoenix. I like to travel, play basketball, and enjoy life. Follow me on twitter @sportsgossip247"

So he's from Ohio, went to school in Texas, but he is taking classes from UOP so I guess that qualifies him as an "insider" with the Cards?

Some of what he says is plausible, much of it is just conjecture or guesswork. It's no more credible than virtually any post on this board.

He's not working for ESPN, SI etc.

He may in fact be right but only by guessing, he doesn't have some inside access.

Exactly. You can find any number of fools that have the same opinion of you on any subject online. Doesn't make you right.
 
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Sorry but some people are having a very hard time accepting the fact that Whiz is human and being so has a lot of faults just like we all do; accept it guy's. These concerns are just not the Bleacher Reports but other venues.

If the NFL had a salary Cap this year we would be +/- $42 million under he cap. A great coach would have bitched and moaned about this long ago, and wouldn't have re-signed with this team.

Clancy as DC was a lot better than Davis. he helped to get us to the Super Bowl. One bad drive should not determine a mans career.

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Clancy as DC was a lot better than Davis. he helped to get us to the Super Bowl. One bad drive should not determine a mans career.

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Clancy is a crap d coordinator. Anyone with half a brain knows this. That's why he was fired, and no longer has a job.
 

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Clancy is a crap d coordinator. Anyone with half a brain knows this. That's why he was fired, and no longer has a job.

And, how many Super Bowls have we gone to without Clancy as DC?

DAMN that Whisenhunt!
 

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Sorry but some people are having a very hard time accepting the fact that Whiz is human and being so has a lot of faults just like we all do; accept it guy's. These concerns are just not the Bleacher Reports but other venues.

If the NFL had a salary Cap this year we would be +/- $42 million under he cap. A great coach would have bitched and moaned about this long ago, and wouldn't have re-signed with this team.

Clancy as DC was a lot better than Davis. he helped to get us to the Super Bowl. One bad drive should not determine a mans career.

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We all realize he's human. What I'm saying is that Ronnie Hampson doesn't know any better than anybody on this board. He's not someone that has inside access.

Remember everyone here mocking Lombardi saying Leinart might get cut on NFL Net? Everyone ripped him, until Matt got cut. He wasn't just guessing, he very clearly had a source in our organization who told him it's quite possible Matt will get cut. And I'm guessing that source told him that knowing full well he'd report it, they were probably trying to get an idea of how Leinart would handle things if he knew he wasn't likely to start.

Whiz is not perfect, no coach is, a coach that gets along with all of his players won't succeed in the NFL, that's what got Pete Carroll fired his first 2 times and it's why Seattle made a point when interviewing him of trying to make sure he wouldn't be that same guy if he got another NFL job.
 
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Clancy is a crap d coordinator. Anyone with half a brain knows this. That's why he was fired, and no longer has a job.

He has a job, he's Cal's DC. What you think Cal got blown out by Nevada and beaten by UA because Tedford can't coach?
 

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That UofA-Cal game was ugly.

Cal's defense was much better in that game though. Against Nevada they kept tackling everyone but the guy who had the ball. Clancy even admitted after the game they had a tough time with "ball recognition" against the pistol, which was a polite way of saying tackle the guy with the ball.

They play UCLA saturday who also runs the pistol, we'll see if Clancy has figured it out yet.
 

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Entering this season, I realized that we would struggle and rebuild.......I'm fine with us, despite the fact that we suck.

I have faith that we'll sign an upgraded QB in either Donovan or draft one in Luck (hopefully).
 

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The Bleacher Report is fan-written and not written well. I'm hoping that Ronnie's next "report" will find an editor before it finds print. Then, maybe, he could find someone who actually knows sports to help him write the rest of it.
 

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I have faith that we'll sign an upgraded QB in either Donovan or draft one in Luck (hopefully).

The Cards have never had the #1 pick & I can't see them not winning 1 more game to get it in 2011, though I would be giddy if we did. I like Luck but think Mallet & the kid from Washington will be failures. Robert Griffin from Baylor is interesting as a prospect.
 
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Clancy as DC was a lot better than Davis. he helped to get us to the Super Bowl. One bad drive should not determine a mans career.

Hmm, so what should define Clancy's career? Our 2004 defense was the only one worth a ____ while he was on the team. After that he never had a D that ranked better than #26 in the league in PPG. Oh yeah, he really had a strong body of work outside of that one drive. Give me a break. Davis comes in and our D suddenly jumps to #14 in the league in PPG. The D played awful in the post season, but any team that can spread us out with talented receivers is going to give us fits because we had no corner talent behind DRC and then lost him vs NO. Don't sit here and act like we got to the SB all thanks to clancy, we got there in spite of him. We had the 3rd ranked offense and 28th ranked defense in the league. Thank god for clancy, he really put the team on his shoulders!

And for the record I absolutely want Davis gone after this season.
 

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If the NFL had a salary Cap this year we would be +/- $42 million under he cap. A great coach would have bitched and moaned about this long ago, and wouldn't have re-signed with this team.


Sigh.

People still making the same mistakes. Cap does not equal how much a team is spending on players. For example last year the Cowboys had a cap of 120 mill or so but only actually spent 90 mill in player salary. Because of cap accounting the Cowboys cap number was actually inflated compared to how much they actually spent. Note that the opposite can be true, a team could be spending only 90 mill in cap space but actually be spending 120 mill in total player salary. CAP amounts have absolutely ZERO say in how much a team is spending their money.

So until you can tell me how much the Cards are spending in total player SALARY, then compare it to the rest of the leagues player SALARY expenditures you have zero legs to stand on concerning this point you are trying to make.

Lots of things to complain about, without a doubt but can we at least all agree to stick with stuff we can backup with facts or at least rumor from reputable sources(of which this article is not)?
 
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Clancy is a crap d coordinator. Anyone with half a brain knows this. That's why he was fired, and no longer has a job.

Just for arguments sake, let's compare Pendy to Billy Davis....Whisenhunt's hand picked DC. I am curious what the fans that have half a brain, with 96% substance and 4% emotion, think of the two side by side. I'm not so sure Pendy was such a "crap d coordinator." Maybe he was a little better than some remember.

PENDY

For the five-year period from 2004-08, his Arizona teams ranked eighth in the NFL by forcing 148 turnovers (77 interceptions, 71 fumbles).

During Arizona's Super Bowl run following the 2008 regular season, the Cardinals led all teams by forcing 13 turnovers in the playoffs. The performance of the Arizona defense played a key role in post-season victories over Atlanta, Carolina and Philadelphia as the Cardinals limited the three highly-regarded offenses to an average of 20.7 points per game.

During the 2008 regular season, Arizona led the NFL with 17 fumble recoveries and ranked tied for fifth in the league with 30 takeaways. Arizona was also third in the NFL with opponents facing an average of 8.16 yards to go on second down and sixth by permitting 4.97 yards per play on first down.

The 2007 edition of the Cardinals ranked ninth in the NFL in run defense, allowing only 97.9 yards per game. On November 11, 2007, Arizona set a modern-day NFL record by holding the Detroit Lions to -18 rushing yards. The 2007 team also set single-season franchise records with six interception returns for touchdowns and 551 interception return yards. The club's 18 total interceptions tied for 10th in the league.

In 2006, Pendergast's defense forced 33 turnovers (16 interceptions, 17 fumbles), the most by the Cardinals since 1998 and tied for fifth in the NFL. The 17 fumble recoveries ranked fourth in the league.

The Cardinals were eighth in the NFL in total defense (295.6 ypg) in 2005, as well as fourth in third-down efficiency (34.2%), seventh in first downs allowed (272) and tied for 10th in fumble recoveries (13).

In Pendergast's first season with Arizona in 2004, the Cardinals improved to 12th in the NFL in both total defense and scoring defense after being ranked 26th and 32nd in those two respective categories the year before Pendergast arrived. In addition, the team forced 30 turnovers to rank tied for 13th in the NFL, compiling seven more takeaways than the season before his arrival when the Cardinals were 24th in the league with 23 takeaways. The 2004 squad was also second in the NFL in red zone TD percentage (45.0%), fourth in third-down defense (31.6%) and tied for fifth in fumble recoveries (15).

During his tenure in Arizona, Pendergast also worked with the secondary and coached Arizona safety Adrian Wilson to a pair of Pro Bowls in 2006 and 2008. Defensive end Bertrand Berry (2004) and defensive tackle Darnell Dockett (2007) also earned their first Pro Bowl selections playing in Pendergast's defense.

Prior to Pendergast's arrival in Arizona, the Cardinals had been mired as one of the NFL's lowest-ranking defensive clubs. In the five seasons prior to Pendergast joining the club in 2004, Arizona had ranked in the top 10 of a major defensive statistical category on only one occasion when the Cardinals were 10th in passing yards allowed in 1999.

In those five seasons, Arizona was 20th or lower in the final NFL rankings in points allowed, total yards allowed, rushing yards allowed, passing yards allowed, yards allowed per play, opponents third-down percentage, sacks, interceptions and fumbles recovered a combined 37 times in 45 opportunties.


BILLY DAVIS

San Francisco 49ers

On February 6, 2005, Billy Davis was hired by San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan to be the defensive coordinator on the team after a six hour interview. One of the reasons Davis got the job was because he had experience with the 3-4 defense that Coach Nolan wanted to implement in San Francisco's defense and a recommendation Nolan got from New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis.

2005 Season

However, Davis seemed to have difficulty improving the defense. In his first season as the 49ers defensive coordinator, the team ranked last in the NFL in total defense in 2005, averaging 25.8 points a game, a 44.4 % third-down efficiency, and allowing 428 points that season.

2006 Season

In 2006, Davis' defense was ranked 26th in the NFL.Monte Poole of the Oakland Tribune criticized Davis in October, saying "the defensive coordinator Billy Davis, who drifts between the 4-3 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, not only has been incapable of masking these deficiencies but also seems to find ways to accentuate them."

As soon as early November, rumors began to swirl that Davis could be fired at the end of the season, if not earlier.

Although the second half of the season saw strong performances from cornerback Walt Harris and linebacker Brandon Moore, by the end of the season, the 49ers defense had allowed 412 points in 16 games.

On January 3, 2007, Nolan announced the Davis had been fired stating that "After an evaluation period, we felt this was the right time to make this move". He was replaced by San Diego Chargers linebackers coach Greg Manusky.

Arizona Cardinals

On January 19, 2007, just 15 days after he was fired from the 49ers, Davis was hired as the linebackers coach for the Arizona Cardinals. On February 18, 2009, Davis was named the team's defensive coordinator after former defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast was fired.

2009 Defense Rank

Points: 14th
Yards: 20th
Pass: 23rd
Rush: 17th


2010 Defense Averages and Rank

Points: 29.5 (31st)
Yards: 388 (29th)
Pass: 233 (23rd)
Rush: 154.8 (30th)
 
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Just for arguments sake, let's compare Pendy to Billy Davis....Whisenhunt's hand picked DC. I am curious what the fans that have half a brain, with 96% substance and 4% emotion, think of the two side by side. I'm not so sure Pendy was such a "crap d coordinator." Maybe he was a little better than some remember.

PENDY

For the five-year period from 2004-08, his Arizona teams ranked eighth in the NFL by forcing 148 turnovers (77 interceptions, 71 fumbles).

During Arizona's Super Bowl run following the 2008 regular season, the Cardinals led all teams by forcing 13 turnovers in the playoffs. The performance of the Arizona defense played a key role in post-season victories over Atlanta, Carolina and Philadelphia as the Cardinals limited the three highly-regarded offenses to an average of 20.7 points per game.

During the 2008 regular season, Arizona led the NFL with 17 fumble recoveries and ranked tied for fifth in the league with 30 takeaways. Arizona was also third in the NFL with opponents facing an average of 8.16 yards to go on second down and sixth by permitting 4.97 yards per play on first down.

The 2007 edition of the Cardinals ranked ninth in the NFL in run defense, allowing only 97.9 yards per game. On November 11, 2007, Arizona set a modern-day NFL record by holding the Detroit Lions to -18 rushing yards. The 2007 team also set single-season franchise records with six interception returns for touchdowns and 551 interception return yards. The club's 18 total interceptions tied for 10th in the league.

In 2006, Pendergast's defense forced 33 turnovers (16 interceptions, 17 fumbles), the most by the Cardinals since 1998 and tied for fifth in the NFL. The 17 fumble recoveries ranked fourth in the league.

The Cardinals were eighth in the NFL in total defense (295.6 ypg) in 2005, as well as fourth in third-down efficiency (34.2%), seventh in first downs allowed (272) and tied for 10th in fumble recoveries (13).

In Pendergast's first season with Arizona in 2004, the Cardinals improved to 12th in the NFL in both total defense and scoring defense after being ranked 26th and 32nd in those two respective categories the year before Pendergast arrived. In addition, the team forced 30 turnovers to rank tied for 13th in the NFL, compiling seven more takeaways than the season before his arrival when the Cardinals were 24th in the league with 23 takeaways. The 2004 squad was also second in the NFL in red zone TD percentage (45.0%), fourth in third-down defense (31.6%) and tied for fifth in fumble recoveries (15).

During his tenure in Arizona, Pendergast also worked with the secondary and coached Arizona safety Adrian Wilson to a pair of Pro Bowls in 2006 and 2008. Defensive end Bertrand Berry (2004) and defensive tackle Darnell Dockett (2007) also earned their first Pro Bowl selections playing in Pendergast's defense.

Prior to Pendergast's arrival in Arizona, the Cardinals had been mired as one of the NFL's lowest-ranking defensive clubs. In the five seasons prior to Pendergast joining the club in 2004, Arizona had ranked in the top 10 of a major defensive statistical category on only one occasion when the Cardinals were 10th in passing yards allowed in 1999.

In those five seasons, Arizona was 20th or lower in the final NFL rankings in points allowed, total yards allowed, rushing yards allowed, passing yards allowed, yards allowed per play, opponents third-down percentage, sacks, interceptions and fumbles recovered a combined 37 times in 45 opportunties.


BILLY DAVIS

San Francisco 49ers

On February 6, 2005, Billy Davis was hired by San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan to be the defensive coordinator on the team after a six hour interview. One of the reasons Davis got the job was because he had experience with the 3-4 defense that Coach Nolan wanted to implement in San Francisco's defense and a recommendation Nolan got from New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis.

2005 Season

However, Davis seemed to have difficulty improving the defense. In his first season as the 49ers defensive coordinator, the team ranked last in the NFL in total defense in 2005, averaging 25.8 points a game, a 44.4 % third-down efficiency, and allowing 428 points that season.

2006 Season

In 2006, Davis' defense was ranked 26th in the NFL.Monte Poole of the Oakland Tribune criticized Davis in October, saying "the defensive coordinator Billy Davis, who drifts between the 4-3 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, not only has been incapable of masking these deficiencies but also seems to find ways to accentuate them."

As soon as early November, rumors began to swirl that Davis could be fired at the end of the season, if not earlier.

Although the second half of the season saw strong performances from cornerback Walt Harris and linebacker Brandon Moore, by the end of the season, the 49ers defense had allowed 412 points in 16 games.

On January 3, 2007, Nolan announced the Davis had been fired stating that "After an evaluation period, we felt this was the right time to make this move". He was replaced by San Diego Chargers linebackers coach Greg Manusky.

Arizona Cardinals

On January 19, 2007, just 15 days after he was fired from the 49ers, Davis was hired as the linebackers coach for the Arizona Cardinals. On February 18, 2009, Davis was named the team's defensive coordinator after former defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast was fired.

2009 Defense Rank

Points: 14th
Yards: 20th
Pass: 23rd
Rush: 17th


2010 Defense Averages and Rank

Points: 29.5 (31st)
Yards: 388 (29th)
Pass: 233 (23rd)
Rush: 154.8 (30th)

What is your point here? That Bill Davis sucks too? You really need to type all that out for all of us to know that?

BTW, hilarious that you decided to cut and paste that from a Cal fluff piece in their program info. (http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pendergast_clancy00.html) Talk about painting an inaccurate picture. Looking at that, it's a wonder that the guy failed out of the NFL, sounds like based on the Cal press piece he's the second coming of Belichick.
 
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Is Ken Whisenhunt The Problem In Arizona?
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/482786-ken-whisenhunt-is-the-reason-for-the-arizona-cardinals-downfall

Please go to this site if you have the courage to read what I have been saying all along.


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Yep, it is the same thing you have been saying all along.

You and that author must be drinking the same whiskey.

That article had as much substance as spring water. Four paragraphs of woulda, shoulda, coulda, and assumptions that "if Whiz and the Cardinals did this, it would have all worked out."

LOL, I love the fact that whenever Leinart is brought up, it is always a 100% FACT he would be tearing it up right now.

Again, I ask you and this author, where would the Cardinals be if Leinart was still here, had been playing the last 4 games, and was TERRIBLE.

What if we were JUST putting Anderson into the starting role ?

Hey, if you can assume, I can assume.
 

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Just for arguments sake, let's compare Pendy to Billy Davis....Whisenhunt's hand picked DC. I am curious what the fans that have half a brain, with 96% substance and 4% emotion, think of the two side by side. I'm not so sure Pendy was such a "crap d coordinator." Maybe he was a little better than some remember.

Can we say both are pretty poor ?

:D
 

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