The Coronavirus and the NFL Thread - P&R Light

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But Britcard said they wouldn’t get it.
Was optimistic
Here in Europe we have like 10000players or more playing the main leagues
No concern with the virus
If the Athletes keep doing things like before the outbreak then u have a Real issue starting the competitions
I don't know, if our players in Europe are more intelligent (I don't think so) and aware of the situation
 

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Was optimistic
Here in Europe we have like 10000players or more playing the main leagues
No concern with the virus
If the Athletes keep doing things like before the outbreak then u have a Real issue starting the competitions
I don't know, if our players in Europe are more intelligent (I don't think so) and aware of the situation

Most of Europe worked hard to mitigate the virus early while a lot of Americans are still debating whether they should wear a face mask. That's why they are so much further along.
 

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It makes it to where I expect it to be a broken ass season. Especially for fantasy. I'm iffy on even running my league. Losing your buy in because both your quarterbacks get it at the same time would be fristrating

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Really? Too bad.
 

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It’ll be cool seeing the Cardinals play football, but when the virus hits the QB, WR and RB rooms, who will be on the field? Is Jeff George still alive?
 

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The average NFL career is 3.3 years and it is a disservice to the players not to let them play. Let those who want to play the game and take the risk play. Most would. I am fine with no fans in the stands, but the game should be played. College football is a different story because it takes place largely in the center of a massive campus community and the athletes are amateurs. But NFL players are professionals. Let them decide
 

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But how do I or you know how well they prepared for this, this does not go public :)

the players are saying as much. Read an article today about how pissed they are that the NFL hired a group of doctors and scientists to make recommendations for how to have the season... and then ignored all of their findings. I’ll try to track it down.
 

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the players are saying as much. Read an article today about how pissed they are that the NFL hired a group of doctors and scientists to make recommendations for how to have the season... and then ignored all of their findings. I’ll try to track it down.

All I know is this, the NFL is owned by people with a load of money. These people did not make their money by accident and the players' opinion still has no bearing on what their bosses share between themselves. I find it hard to believe these rich guys with such a cash cow and their track record for making money have not had a ongoing thought process among themselves
 

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All I know is this, the NFL is owned by people with a load of money. These people did not make their money by accident and the players' opinion still has no bearing on what their bosses share between themselves. I find it hard to believe these rich guys with such a cash cow and their track record for making money have not had a ongoing thought process among themselves

I’m not saying the players opinion matters to them. I’m saying the players haven’t heard jack squat about what protections are being taken. That doesn’t strike you as odd? The NBA came out with their covid plan a month weeks before players were supposed to report back to camp. The NFL is coming back within a week or two and the players are in the dark.

If you don’t think that’s a little weird, well, that’s a little weird.
 

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They need to cancel the season. It really, really sucks, but it’s needed.
 

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They need to cancel the season. It really, really sucks, but it’s needed.

I doubt it'll be cancelled; and if it can be conducted, it should be conducted obviously under strict guidelines. The NFL's response has been crap, but they have the benefit of time on their hands seeing as the season doesn't start for another 6 weeks, and they could feasibly start the season later as they have the longest offseason of all professional sports. If the league wanted to kick off in mid-to-late October and have the Super Bowl in March, I'd be fine with that outcome.
 

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But Britcard said they wouldn’t get it.

Sigh. What did you say about overstating positions?

What I said was there's no reason you can't play football safely with regular testing and some basic team rules. No partying, no mass gathering outside the team, etc etc

Saying that 72 players that got it outside of football while completely ignoring social distancing and going about their business normally is not a counter argument.

How many of those players died? How many even went to hospital? None.

There's been 3 pandemics in the last 100 years. No lockdowns, no cancelling sports.

In 1957-58 Avian Flu killed 1.1 million people worldwide when the world population was a 3rd of what it is now. Including 116,000 people in the USA when your population was 175m. And that virus killed younger people much more easily. A lot of those deaths were kids, pregnant women and under 50. Much more evenly spread than Covid across age groups.

Our grandparents didn't even blink. They just got on. And the death toll only stopped there because they got a vaccine quickly.

Then in '68 there was Hong Kong flu. 1 million worldwide and 100k in the US with a global population under half was it is now. Half those deaths were under 50. It was only limited because of some immunity rolled over from '57. No lockdown. No cancelling sports. The Packers won the superbowl. The Eagles starting running back lost 15lbs in a week shivering in bed. 5 Eagles players had it the same week and missed games. The only press coverage was a 65 word note by the AP.

4 New York Giants missed the whole of December with it. It didn't even make the news.

Lyndon Johnson had it. The Apollo 8 crew had it. Woodstock went ahead in the middle of all this going on. People just got on. No sports stars died despite the viruses much higher risk to that age group.

Now, I can feel you itching to type "but Covid is more deadly". Is it? The CDC says "The range of estimates put the fatality rate for those showing symptoms between 0.2%-1%, with a "best estimate" of 0.4%". And that's for those "showing symptoms". We now a large percentage are asymptomatic.

That's right there with the fatality rates on those two flu pandemics. And data gathering was infinitely poorer back then. Odds are many more died with it than recorded. And lets remember, both those pandemics killed FAR more children and people under 65 than Covid.

We have become soft as a species, especially in the west. We are pampered and coddled. Where our parents and grandparents would have handled this with a shrug and "get on with it" attitude we are cowering in our homes too scared to go out.

The only difference between those previous pandemics and now is the bombardment of information designed to keep you in your box. X amount tested positive today, X amount died yesterday.

It's as much a crisis of too much information and fear as it is of health.

Yes, Covid is deadly. But not nearly as much as the constant press fear mongering would suggest.
Yes, people should be cautious and sensible.

And at the same time,

Many are overreacting.
Overreacting and cancelling everything can kill as many people (if not more) that just getting on.
Stopping living isn't a solution.

Let's be more like those previous generations that had grit and got on, and not the embarrassment of spineless, pampered, cowards we seem to have become.
 
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there’s an entire world and country upon country upon country outside the US the says proves you don’t have shutdown forever to get control of this thing.

wake up from the xenophobic dreamworld where America is the only country that exists on planet earth.

You think lockdown is the answer? Literally half of America is proving that shutting down isn't the answer and that soon as you open back up it starts again. The press were writing in April about how well California handled it and got ahead of the curve. Look at them now.

So are all the countries that had hard, early lockdowns that only delayed things until they opened up again.

All lockdown does is kill your economy and kill more people in the long run.
 

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Sweden is not doing fine in comparison to its immediate neighbours and trusting in Herd immunity seems to be in error. Large studies (61k in Spain, for example) show that antibodies dissipate as soon as two weeks.

Sweden's death toll per 100,000 is now five times that in neighbouring Denmark, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

Also, while it kept open it did recommend social distancing and now masks.

You know that antibodies aren't the only immune defense right? And that we all have immune responses to hundred of diseases without anti bodies being detectable in your blood?

This is just more fear mongering nonsense when it's clear from actual facts that nobody in the world has been infected twice with Covid.

The virus has been around at least 8 months. You would think of immunity only lasted 2 weeks at least 1 person would have been reinfected. If immunity only lasted 2 weeks (or 2 months) we would see tens of thousands of reinfections by now.

So no, there's absolutely no evidence herd immunity isn't the answer.
 
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I am shocked at how little sense grown adults have in this country. All we had to do was stay inside for a couple of months and wear a mask. But people are so hell bent on acting like children we are going to end up not having a football season.

Americans need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children. I want a football season next year.
 

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You know that antibodies aren't the only immune defense right? And that we all have immune responses to hundred of diseases without anti bodies being detectable in your blood?

This is just more fear mongering nonsense when it's clear from actual facts that nobody in the world has been infected twice with Covid.

The virus has been around at least 8 months. You would think of immunity only lasted 2 weeks at least 1 person would have been reinfected. If immunity only lasted 2 weeks (or 2 months) we would see tens of thousands of reinfections by now.

So no, there's absolutely no evidence herd immunity isn't the answer.

As per usual you overstate your case and fail to understand that this is a "novel" virus and more and more information and analysis is needed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965
 

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They need to cancel the season. It really, really sucks, but it’s needed.
From an Easterner's perspective - the 800 lb gorilla lies in the scary numbers coming out of the state of Arizona compared to the general US population.

Stats and Epidemiology guys - Anyone know whether the bad statewide stats are likely to be replicated in teamwide incidences of infection, fatalities etc. or whether numbers inside the bubble are likely to run independent of trends observed in the general population?
 
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