The Official Derek Anderson Dump Thread

[Cheesebeef]

Who's the idiot headcoach that had him playing in the 4th quarter of a meaningless preseason game that got his knee injured? Either way Whiz is that guy. I was pissed then and now for that.

griping about that i have no problem with. makes sense. griping about him not playing so far isn't.

No way The Bean should have been in there with guys that were just trying to get some one to notice. Recipe for disaster and that is what happened.

completely agreed.

Then shows his "character" by lying and saying it was a bone bruise when several of us said it was much more serious than that. Talk about the critics coming out of the woodwork if Whiz had actually been honest and said he got our top RB hurt in a meaningless 4th Qt preseason game.

hmm... you maybe have a point here... or it could be that he's lying to screw with other teams so they have to prepare for both guys, something bellichick is famous for. i tend to think it's more that then he was embarassed. i mean, do you REALLY think wiz cares what other people think of him after having the balls to make the decision he made at qb? i sure as hell don't.

i like what wiz did because he was throwing opposing coaches off the scent, even if he was bending the rules. bottom line, i look at it this way... win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat.

 

[Shane]

Who's the idiot headcoach that had him playing in the 4th quarter of a meaningless preseason game that got his knee injured? Either way Whiz is that guy. I was pissed then and now for that. No way The Bean should have been in there with guys that were just trying to get some one to notice. Recipe for disaster and that is what happened. Then shows his "character" by lying and saying it was a bone bruise when several of us said it was much more serious than that. Talk about the critics coming out of the woodwork if Whiz had actually been honest and said he got our top RB hurt in a meaningless 4th Qt preseason game.

What are you talking about? He had 2 carries in the game and they weren't in the 4th QTR they were in the first freaking half of the game. He was hurt on his 2nd carry. More drivel from you.

 

[Rats]

What are you talking about? He had 2 carries in the game and they weren't in the 4th QTR they were in the first freaking half of the game. He was hurt on his 2nd carry. More drivel from you.

So your saying he was not injured in a meaningless preseason game that he should not have been in with the second team offense? He was playing against 3rd string guys that were just trying to make a play to get noticed. Did you get a brain cramp and forget this. We all commented as to why he was still in the game. It was poor coaching decision that put him in the position to get hurt. You are unbelieveable in your ignorance dude. Go have a donut.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So your saying he was not injured in a meaningless preseason game that he should not have been in with the second team offense? He was playing against 3rd string guys that were just trying to make a play to get noticed. Did you get a brain cramp and forget this. We all commented as to why he was still in the game. It was poor coaching decision that put him in the position to get hurt. You are unbelieveable in your ignorance dude. Go have a donut.

I guess we should be thankful you didn't claim he suffered a broken neck in the OT of a meaningless preseason game. No reason we should expect anything resembling accuracy from someone when they're busy ranting and raving.

He was hurt in the 2nd quarter and he'd had very little work to date and at some point players need time on the field. His injury was unfortunate and it's not unreasonable to argue he shouldn't have been out there but putting him out there wasn't all that unreasonable either.

Steve

 

[Shane]

So your saying he was not injured in a meaningless preseason game that he should not have been in with the second team offense? He was playing against 3rd string guys that were just trying to make a play to get noticed. Did you get a brain cramp and forget this. We all commented as to why he was still in the game. It was poor coaching decision that put him in the position to get hurt. You are unbelieveable in your ignorance dude. Go have a donut.

Yes he was in with the 2nd string. He is the 2nd string RB last I checked so makes sense.

It occured in the first half and not late in the first half either not in the 4th Qtr as you stated above. Like I said more incorrect idiotic drivel from you as usual.

Lots of people get injured in pre-season games. Do you have a point?

 

[Shane]

I guess we should be thankful you didn't claim he suffered a broken neck in the OT of a meaningless preseason game. No reason we should expect anything resembling accuracy from someone when they're busy ranting and raving.

He was hurt in the 2nd quarter and he'd had very little work to date and at some point players need time on the field. His injury was unfortunate and it's not unreasonable to argue he shouldn't have been out there but putting him out there wasn't all that unreasonable either.

Steve

Truth!

 

[Cheesebeef]

So your saying he was not injured in a meaningless preseason game that he should not have been in with the second team offense? He was playing against 3rd string guys that were just trying to make a play to get noticed. Did you get a brain cramp and forget this. We all commented as to why he was still in the game. It was poor coaching decision that put him in the position to get hurt. You are unbelieveable in your ignorance dude. Go have a donut.

why did you say 4th quarter? i heard other people say this back in the pre-season and just assumed it was truth. good lord people. this doesn't completely undercut your point, but it sure does make it much less weighty.

and shane, get me a donut while you're at it!

 

[desertdawg]

So your saying he was not injured in a meaningless preseason game that he should not have been in with the second team offense? He was playing against 3rd string guys that were just trying to make a play to get noticed. Did you get a brain cramp and forget this. We all commented as to why he was still in the game. It was poor coaching decision that put him in the position to get hurt. You are unbelieveable in your ignorance dude. Go have a donut.

I am kinda with you on this one. At the same time he wanted to see Beanie get some reps. If you really want to think about it, he had a higher chance of getting hurt against the other teams first string. Just can't predict injuries. When ever any body gets hurt in pre season, its ultra hard to swallow.

 

[Shane]

and shane, get me a donut while you're at it!

Absolutely!

I'll get you 2 dozen my friend!

 

[O]

and shane, get me a donut while you're at it!

Me too!



















A chocolate glazed.




















Thanks Shane.

 

[Rats]

why did you say 4th quarter?

Basically I am on vacation in Maui and didn't have any resources to look up the time of the game he was injured. Sue me. At the time we all were outraged that he was in the game, outraged that he was 2nd string and outraged that the injury was going to effect our season when we thought we were finally going to get a meaningful running game only to have our best back go down in meaningless preseason time. Of course rather than argue the point being made (as you did) Shane made it about a clerical error rather than the point of WHY THE HELL WAS BEANIE IN THERE COACH??!! IT was a mistake to leave him out there with guys trying to make a name for themselves.

 

[Shane]

Me too!
A chocolate glazed.
















Thanks Shane.

You only get a half dozen. Still recouping from the bill on that night out with all the Irish car bombs you and I consumed

 

[Shane]

Basically I am on vacation in Maui and didn't have any resources to look up the time of the game he was injured. Sue me. At the time we all were outraged that he was in the game, outraged that he was 2nd string and outraged that the injury was going to effect our season when we thought we were finally going to get a meaningful running game only to have our best back go down in meaningless preseason time. Of course rather than argue the point being made (as you did) Shane made it about a clerical error rather than the point of WHY THE HELL WAS BEANIE IN THERE COACH??!! IT was a mistake to leave him out there with guys trying to make a name for themselves.

How about because he needed the damn work? Whether you like it or not that is Whiz's philosophy. Starters even play in pre season game #4. That's what he does and who he is. Very evident as this is season 4 as head coach.

Again I don't have a problem with it. You do as usual with everything else he says or does.

But then again you think he is no better than coach Mcginnis so anything you say in reference to Whiz can be just disregarded and you labeled a hater. Because at this point that's all you are and you will find any reason to criticize the guy. You lost all credibility with comments like that. JMO!

:iwin:

 

[O]

You only get a half dozen. Still recouping from the bill on that night out with all the Irish car bombs you and I consumed

 

[Rats]

Truth!

Why do you always have to do this?? Are you that insecure in your points that you have to get an affirmative from a co-hort and add a seperate post that acknowledges his acknowledgment of your position??? Childish....but it is just a messageboard

 

[Shane]

Why do you always have to do this?? Are you that insecure in your points that you have to get an affirmative from a co-hort and add a seperate post that acknowledges his acknowledgment of your position??? Childish....but it is just a messageboard

I had already stated what he repeated so kind of irrelevant.

 

[desertdawg]

Timmy played the whole preseason, didn't get hurt, had a 80 yard run, provides great pass protection. This whole conversation has me thanking the football gods for Hightower. I Iove Beanie as much as anyone. Props to Shane for all the Timmy love.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Basically I am on vacation in Maui and didn't have any resources to look up the time of the game he was injured. Sue me. At the time we all were outraged that he was in the game, outraged that he was 2nd string and outraged that the injury was going to effect our season when we thought we were finally going to get a meaningful running game only to have our best back go down in meaningless preseason time. Of course rather than argue the point being made (as you did) Shane made it about a clerical error rather than the point of WHY THE HELL WAS BEANIE IN THERE COACH??!! IT was a mistake to leave him out there with guys trying to make a name for themselves.

first, the clerical error actually makes a difference, especially for a guy who the team still thinks needs to get pass protection down and needs to see game action considering he's just a second year guy. there's a BIG difference between being in the game in the fourth quarter and the beginning of the second.

second, and more important, why the hell are you wasting time on this board while your on vacation in maui?

 

[Rats]

How about because he needed the damn work? Whether you like it or not that is Whiz's philosophy. Starters even play in pre season game #4. That's what he does and who he is. Very evident as this is season 4 as head coach.

Again I don't have a problem with it. You do as usual with everything else he says or does.

But then again you think he is no better than coach Mcginnis so anything you say in reference to Whiz can be just disregarded and you labeled a hater. Because at this point that's all you are and you will find any reason to criticize the guy. You lost all credibility with comments like that. JMO!

:iwin:

What may I ask do you have a problem with that Whiz has done? Are you on the Cheese train that he gets a pass because we went to the Super Bowl, playoffs and now are a shell of a team that should have better options? He has had 4 years on the job and should have gotten talent at the positions we need it and he hasn't. He rested on the fact that he inherited good talent that was not yet up to NFL speed and did nothing to bring in good replacements at key positions. He surely wasn't expecting Warner, Berry, Dansby, Boldin to all be back after there contracts expired. Where are the decent replacements that we have that Whiz evaluated and put in place? They are non existent. We are relying on guys he can fix and over the hill guys that do not have it any longer. We are on the down slope and picking up speed. Whis is the one with no clothes. He has allowed talent to leave( or be driven away) with no one decent to replace them.

 

[Rats]

second, and more important, why the hell are you wasting time on this board while your on vacation in maui?

It is a down day after 3 days on the water and sun burned. So I figure I can't get much redder in the face so I might as well argue a few points with other Cards fans. It is a disease. Met another Cards fan from Tennessee on a boat yesterday and had a good talk about things. He had a lot to say that made sense and was glad to see another life long fan over here. Our wives think we are both nuts. As I am sure several around here do as well....but whatever.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What may I ask do you have a problem with that Whiz has done? Are you on the Cheese train that he gets a pass because we went to the Super Bowl, playoffs and now are a shell of a team that should have better options?

wa? first you "misremember" about what happened to beanie and now you're putting words in my mouth. me senses a trend. i've got A LOT of problems with various things Wiz has done (the complete overhaul of the o-line, not featuring beanie more, hiring bill davis just to a name a few). i'm not going to even comment further for fear of what you'll say next so i'm done with this convo.

have fun typing on the message board while you're in maui dude.

 

[Shane]

What may I ask do you have a problem with that Whiz has done? Are you on the Cheese train that he gets a pass because we went to the Super Bowl, playoffs and now are a shell of a team that should have better options? He has had 4 years on the job and should have gotten talent at the positions we need it and he hasn't. He rested on the fact that he inherited good talent that was not yet up to NFL speed and did nothing to bring in good replacements at key positions. He surely wasn't expecting Warner, Berry, Dansby, Boldin to all be back after there contracts expired. Where are the decent replacements that we have that Whiz evaluated and put in place? They are non existent. We are relying on guys he can fix and over the hill guys that do not have it any longer. We are on the down slope and picking up speed. Whis is the one with no clothes. He has allowed talent to leave( or be driven away) with no one decent to replace them.

I certainly do not believe Whiz to be infallible. However he is the BEST coach bar none that I have seen in 22 years of watching this team and rooting for this team.

I don't agree with the starting of DA. However with the chemistry issues on the team and Matt I am willing to live with it. An interview I saw of Joey Porter where they asked him how he felt of him as a leader was very telling to me. It was enough for me to say OK I can deal with this.

I don't concur with the decision that was made to get rid of Q. I think that was a huge mistake especially with the WR injuries we seem to be having right now. I don't agree with the way he stuck his nose into the business side of Q's affairs either.

I believe he should have had a better option in place other than DA if he had any inkling that Leinart just wasn't going to work out. He and the team failed miserably in that aspect.

I didn't like the trade of Mcfadden for Skelton. I thought that was horrible. You could have still started Toler and had Mcfadden as a decent nickle. With our pass rush the more talent the CB can have the better.

But I fully subscribe to the theory that sometimes you have to take a step or two or three backward before you can move forward. It happens. You cant control everything or bring in everyone that you want.

He has made mistakes he will make more. But he absolutely has built up some leeway with his accomplishments. They are bar none nothing less than incredible especially when you consider the organization he accomplished them with. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see where this team is not only at the end of this year but in the next 2 years. I believe we will be headed in the right direction.

Oh yea like Cheesy not a fan of the Bill Davis hire either.

 

[Rats]

wa? first you "misremember" about what happened to beanie and now you're putting words in my mouth. me senses a trend. i've got A LOT of problems with various things Wiz has done (the complete overhaul of the o-line, not featuring beanie more, hiring bill davis just to a name a few). i'm not going to even comment further for fear of what you'll say next so i'm done with this convo.

have fun typing on the message board while you're in maui dude.

What trend? You did say in another thread that he gets a pass from you this season but if we are like this next year you will be there to 'tar and feather him" but again whatever.

 

[Rats]

I certainly do not believe Whiz to be infallible. However he is the BEST coach bar none that I have seen in 22 years of watching this team and rooting for this team.

I don't agree with the starting of DA. However with the chemistry issues on the team and Matt I am willing to live with it. An interview I saw of Joey Porter where they asked him how he felt of him as a leader was very telling to me. It was enough for me to say OK I can deal with this.

I don't concur with the decision that was made to get rid of Q. I think that was a huge mistake especially with the WR injuries we seem to be having right now. I don't agree with the way he stuck his nose into the business side of Q's affairs either.

I believe he should have had a better option in place other than DA if he had any inkling that Leinart just wasn't going to work out. He and the team failed miserably in that aspect.

I didn't like the trade of Mcfadden for Skelton. I thought that was horrible. You could have still started Toler and had Mcfadden as a decent nickle. With our pass rush the more talent the CB can have the better.

But I fully subscribe to the theory that sometimes you have to take a step or two or three backward before you can move forward. It happens. You cant control everything or bring in everyone that you want.

He has made mistakes he will make more. But he absolutely has built up some leeway with his accomplishments. They are bar none nothing less than incredible especially when you consider the organization he accomplished them with. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see where this team is not only at the end of this year but in the next 2 years. I believe we will be headed in the right direction.

Oh yea like Cheesy not a fan of the Bill Davis hire either.

How could anyone be a fan of that Hiring so I agree. We just look at things differently. You say you cant bring in everyone that you want and I say with the losses we sustained there should have been a plan that addressed better the loss of Pro Bowl talent. Again he has been here for 4 years. His plan and Graves( lets not allow him to escape blame) has been poor. DA, Toler, Porter, Haggens, Faneca, a rookie starter at LB, B. Robinson at DT??!!! All tough to swallow when better options were available. So give him a pass but be willing to give him a boot in the ass if they don't pan out. He is fully on the clock this season.

 

[Shane]

How could anyone be a fan of that Hiring so I agree. We just look at things differently. You say you cant bring in everyone that you want and I say with the losses we sustained there should have been a plan that addressed better the loss of Pro Bowl talent. Again he has been here for 4 years. His plan and Graves( lets not allow him to escape blame) has been poor. DA, Toler, Porter, Haggens, Faneca, a rookie starter at LB, B. Robinson at DT??!!! All tough to swallow when better options were available. So give him a pass but be willing to give him a boot in the ass if they don't pan out. He is fully on the clock this season.

That's just it with all the young talent getting this experience they will likely be much improved next year. Add another FA or two in key positions and maybe just maybe draft a QBOF and things will be looking up. Even though you would need to give a QBOF time to mature.

Its impossible to replace that much talent in one off season. Yet they made a serious push to get Dansby back but he just didn't want to be here. It was from no lack of effort or a terrible offer. All of which came right from Dansby's mouth.

Can't be a crystal ball and make up for a HOF QB it just isn't that easy. I know and most did that there would be a significant drop back this year that's a given when you go from KW to anyone's save maybe getting Mcnabb. But then again what do you give up to get him? More young talent risking the future in other areas as well.

This team is not lacking in talent in many areas and with a few good moves here and there we will be right back where we were completing for the NFCW champs year in and year out IMO.

There is just only so much you can do in one off season when the turnover is this large. I also beg to differ that there were plenty of more options that could be had.

Like it or not this is still a small market team and you can't just go out and go Dan Snyder on the league.