The Official KVB Injury Update thread....

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Stout
Let me ask you a simple question, since this isn't terribly hard, but you're making it so: If many people feel the same way about something, what can you do to summarize that feeling?

What?

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
So would I. Heck every team in the NFL has at least one defensive end that's better than him.

So would I! If every team has at least 1 more and there are 2 DE starting spots on a team that would mean he would start for some of them...hmmmm thats not what you just said a couple posts ago.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
What about shipp, starks, wilson, jones, Big.

Who was available for the free jersey give away?

Boston, Plummer, KVB.
The reason there's so many KVB jerseys in the crowd is because of the % of the people that actually go to the games are... season ticket holders.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I think KVB's loss is huge, too.

But along the duration of a season, every NFL team will experience huge losses.

The good ones find a way to overcome.

I think we can.

You're right on all counts.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
KVB is not a good defensive end, in fact he is a below average defensive end. Has he ever proved otherwise???

Krang:

O.K., let's keep this simple.

There is no question that Kyle VandenBosch was one of the starters at defensive end, correct? The only thing to be determined was which one, LDE or RDE. One side or the other, KVB was gonna start against the Lions. No question.

Presumably, you start because you're the best player at that position on the roster, in the opinion of the coaching staff. I've heard nothing, on this board or anywhere else, to imply that anyone was making a serious push to unseat KVB from that starting role.

Whoever takes his place now will be someone who couldn't win the job in camp, or a free agent who wasn't worth signing a week ago. Either way, this is a worse defensive team than it was before Saturday night's game.

WC

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by EndZone
So would I! If every team has at least 1 more and there are 2 DE starting spots on a team that would mean he would start for some of them...hmmmm thats not what you just said a couple posts ago.

Honestly I can't think of a single team that has a worse starting defensive end, except for Dallas' Ebenezer Ekuban or other teams that start really bad defensive ends.

The fact remains that KVB is not a starting caliber defensive end.

He is not even an average starting defensive end in this league.

 

[AZCB34]

Pssst. Jake threw ann INT against CHI thhis weekend.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Pssst. Jake threw ann INT against CHI thhis weekend.

NOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALL RALLY AROUND!

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Honestly I can't think of a single team that has a worse starting defensive end, except for Dallas' Ebenezer Ekuban or other teams that start really bad defensive ends.

The fact remains that KVB is not a starting caliber defensive end.

He is not even an average starting defensive end in this league.

But, he is a starter on this team. Again, it doesn;t matter what the rest of the league is or isn't. He was a starter here. therefore the loss is big because we lost a starter...regardless of league wide measuring sticks.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
KVB is not a good defensive end, in fact he is a below average defensive end. Has he ever proved otherwise???

"Returned from reconstructive knee surgery to lead Arizona with four quarterback sacks and nine hurries … also shared team lead with linebacker Ray Thompson with seven/eight tackles for loss … overall in 16 starts collected 66 tackles (35 solos), 4 sacks, 9 hurries, 8 tackles for loss, and 1 fumble recovery "

yeah he lead the team in Sacks and tackles for a loss. That's really below average.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
"Returned from reconstructive knee surgery to lead Arizona with four quarterback sacks and nine hurries … also shared team lead with linebacker Ray Thompson with seven/eight tackles for loss … overall in 16 starts collected 66 tackles (35 solos), 4 sacks, 9 hurries, 8 tackles for loss, and 1 fumble recovery "

yeah he lead teh team in Sacks and tackles for a loss. That's really below average.

4 sacks is pathetic.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by EndZone
What?

Okay, so either you're just trying to be a funny smart azz or you didn't even bother to read the rest of my post. Either way, it makes you look stupid.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
But, he is a starter on this team. Again, it doesn;t matter what the rest of the league is or isn't. He was a starter here. therefore the loss is big because we lost a starter...regardless of league wide measuring sticks.

But do you really think that Wakefield is that much worse? Or even Wakefield platooned with Kenny King?

I think that they will easily do just as well.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
4 sacks is pathetic.

And the total defense wasn't last year?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But do you really think that Wakefield is that much worse? Or even Wakefield platooned with Kenny King?

I think that they will easily do just as well.

This very well could be.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
And the total defense wasn't last year?

Simeon Rice, a legitimate pass rusher, still got his sacks no matter how pathetic the players around him were.

Yes, the total defense was pathetic, but was KVB able to elevate that defense at all? OR was he part of the problem.

I think he was part of the problem, and I'm not alone in that thinking. KVB would be a nice backup, but he is not a good starter.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But do you really think that Wakefield is that much worse? Or even Wakefield platooned with Kenny King?

I think that they will easily do just as well.

Wakefield alone is worse to me...maybe not drastically worse...but still worse. A platoon deal...who knows. A rookie and a tweener guy. Maybe they can equal or better overall.

My argument on this has been the outcry was more because a starter was lost than a white overachiever.

In fact, I said in my initial post on this thread both sdies are right. Losing a starter is a big loss. But KVB statistically speaking isn't as big a loss as is being suggested.

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Stout
Okay, so either you're just trying to be a funny smart azz or you didn't even bother to read the rest of my post. Either way, it makes you look stupid.

Actually I didn't understand what you were trying to ask me. I understand that you said I am Generalizing. Summerize what feeling?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Actually I agree with what Krang is saying.

It happens for the Suns as well. If you listen to the local radio...Casey Jacobsen already has his own radio commercials. Casey Jacobsen sucks. Big time. I always laugh when he says "Negotiating with them is as smooth as one of my 3 point jump shots"

Uhhh..Casey you shot 31% from three...

Bo Outlaw is the hardest working guy on the Suns. I love his work ethic...and if he were a white guy...more people would appreciate it as well. It isn't fair or cool, but it is the reality. Think of how many people loved Joe Kleine.


Now it would be really silly to say that everyone's reason for liking him has something to do with him being white, but I would certainly say that it is a percentage...perhaps even a significant one.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
This very well could be.

Which is why I don't think this is as big a loss as people are making it out to be.

Between Pace, Wakefield, Ken King, Alton Moore/DJ/whoever, we won't miss KVB's production at all.

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Simeon Rice, a legitimate pass rusher, still got his sacks no matter how pathetic the players around him were.

Yes, the total defense was pathetic, but was KVB able to elevate that defense at all? OR was he part of the problem.

I think he was part of the problem, and I'm not alone in that thinking. KVB would be a nice backup, but he is not a good starter.

I don't think anyone was thinking KVB was a sack specialist. Most projected him getting about 10 sacks becuase of moving to the Left and having good pressure from the Right because of Pace.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But do you really think that Wakefield is that much worse? Or even Wakefield platooned with Kenny King?

I think that they will easily do just as well.

Wakefield doesn't come close to pressuring the QB like KVB. I think King has the potential to pressure the QB and may have eventually replaced KVB in a couple of years. However he still is very raw.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Actually I agree with what Krang is saying.

It happens for the Suns as well. If you listen to the local radio...Casey Jacobsen already has his own radio commercials. Casey Jacobsen sucks. Big time. I always laugh when he says "Negotiating with them is as smooth as one of my 3 point jump shots"

Uhhh..Casey you shot 31% from three...

Bo Outlaw is the hardest working guy on the Suns. I love his work ethic...and if he were a white guy...more people would appreciate it as well. It isn't fair or cool, but it is the reality. Think of how many people loved Joe Kleine.


Now it would be really silly to say that everyone's reason for liking him has something to do with him being white, but I would certainly say that it is a percentage...perhaps even a significant one.

Exactly. The NBA is the best example of this. A lot of white fans, especially older white fans, pull for the white players no matter how bad they stink.

Casey Jacobsen flat out sucks, yet he has more advertising than any other Suns player.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Simeon Rice, a legitimate pass rusher, still got his sacks no matter how pathetic the players around him were.

Yes, the total defense was pathetic, but was KVB able to elevate that defense at all? OR was he part of the problem.

I think he was part of the problem, and I'm not alone in that thinking. KVB would be a nice backup, but he is not a good starter.

Except he hadn;t fully come back from the knee last year so clearly he wasn;t close to 100%. This year he would have been finally. Would it make a difference this year...we will never know.

He was part of the problem for sure...nobody escapes blame for last years fine defensive efforts.

You keep saying he is not that good a starter. Maybe but the coaches seemed to think so, so in the picture of the team he was a starter. Or do you think the dropoff to Wakefield/King is negligible?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Wakefield doesn't come close to pressuring the QB like KVB. I think King has the potential to pressure the QB and may have eventually replaced KVB in a couple of years. However he still is very raw.

HUH? KVB had FOUR sacks last year. He very rarely got any pressure, and this preseason, he was getting NO pressure.