The Official KVB Injury Update thread....

[AZCardsWin]

Someone on the board had mentioned DE Steve White could be signed soon- I would think he is near the top of the list of potential canidates. But don't expect the Cardinals to make a real fast move to get him especially with ALOT of cuts from around the NFL coming in the next 10 days.
One thing is for sure, the fans at ASFN love the Big Red and care about the team. I never thought one of my subject threads would push near "2000" views- Amazing!

Go Cards/ America!
Tim

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Why was Jason Sehorn so highly rated? Anyone who tries to remove race from the sports equation is missing something.

I think it is an issue, whether people want to admit it or not.

Why don't you heed your earlier words re: KVB: "Hmm...I'm not even going to answer that."

 

[JeffGollin]

I think KVB's loss is huge, too.

But along the duration of a season, every NFL team will experience huge losses.

The good ones find a way to overcome.

I think we can.

 

[brews]

As bad a KVB's injury is, we could be in store for more. Don't forget the Cards have a preseason game at Minnesota scheduled. Remember when that effectively ended our season a few years ago?

I think teams set up their own preseason schedules. If so, why the Cards (or anyone) would agree to paly on that lousy field is beyond me.

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by brews
As bad a KVB's injury is, we could be in store for more. Don't forget the Cards have a preseason game at Minnesota scheduled. Remember when that effectively ended our season a few years ago?

I think teams set up their own preseason schedules. If so, why the Cards (or anyone) would agree to paly on that lousy field is beyond me.

Ugh! Anti-curse, anti curse

 

[SECTION 11]

This is such a bummer. I've been following this guy since his freshman year. Wistrom and Co. had set a standard for the defensive line and their offseason program, and KVB stepped in in '98 and immediately kept the standards high, if not higher.
I don't know for sure, but I suspect that he was at least partially responsible for the offseason workout attendance commented on by Jim O (where the hell is Jimbo anyway?).

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by brews
As bad a KVB's injury is, we could be in store for more. Don't forget the Cards have a preseason game at Minnesota scheduled.

That's why this one sucks so bad.....I mean it was on a natural surface that appeared to be in relatively decent shape.

 

[kerouac9]

K-V-B = B-U-S-T

I'm with CBus and Krang on this one. KVB was the worst potential starter on our [EDIT: defensive] line, and never did anything on the field to merit not only his draft status and salary, but also the amount of credit he gets on this board and from the fans and media in general.

After reading all the pub on this board about KVB being "in the best shape of his career" and "ready to break out into the spotlight," I was looking closely at him in the last two preseason games, and noted the same thing: Getting pushed 5 yards behind the QB by the OT on passing downs, and getting sucked in by the OT and having running back after running back speed right by him on passing downs. He did a really good job of being "in the picture" after the tackle had been made, but I'm sure the Cards are going to have no problem finding his 3.5 sacks from last year somewhere on the roster.

The coaches and media talk a lot about KVB being a big contributor on this team, and I assume that this is in the unquantifiable area of "leadership" and "motor." I assume that he can do this from the sideline. I've never seen, except from that Philly game, KVB make an eye-opening play of any type, or collapse the pocket in any way.

This team is worse off without KVB because they're thinner at DE, but this isn't like the Bucs losing Simeon Rice, or the Titans losing Jevon Kearse. KVB wouldn't even be starting this season if we'd signed Vonnie Holliday. I'd estimate that is Wakefield remains the starter on the Right side, it's about a 10% dropoff in production at that position, but Wakefield's arguably better against the run. If we sign someone like Steve White, this team will be fine.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
some of you amaze me with your premature assessments.

Nothing has been stated for sure yet.
A couple of reporters mouth some opinions and judgements, and everybody goes bonkers.

How about you all wait until something is officially determined, one way or the other before writing KVB off in any way.

Amazing, simply amazing.

I haven't heard anything yet either about some supposed gas shortage in Phoenix, so I'll just wait in line for 45 minutes with a smile on my face, laughing at the people claiming such ridiculousness.

 

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Re: K-V-B = B-U-S-T

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm with CBus and Krang on this one. KVB was the worst potential starter on our offensive line, and never did anything on the field to merit not only his draft status and salary, but also the amount of credit he gets on this board and from the fans and media in general.

After reading all the pub on this board about KVB being "in the best shape of his career" and "ready to break out into the spotlight," I was looking closely at him in the last two preseason games, and noted the same thing: Getting pushed 5 yards behind the QB by the OT on passing downs, and getting sucked in by the OT and having running back after running back speed right by him on passing downs. He did a really good job of being "in the picture" after the tackle had been made, but I'm sure the Cards are going to have no problem finding his 3.5 sacks from last year somewhere on the roster.

The coaches and media talk a lot about KVB being a big contributor on this team, and I assume that this is in the unquantifiable area of "leadership" and "motor." I assume that he can do this from the sideline. I've never seen, except from that Philly game, KVB make an eye-opening play of any type, or collapse the pocket in any way.

This team is worse off without KVB because they're thinner at DE, but this isn't like the Bucs losing Simeon Rice, or the Titans losing Jevon Kearse. KVB wouldn't even be starting this season if we'd signed Vonnie Holliday. I'd estimate that is Wakefield remains the starter on the Right side, it's about a 10% dropoff in production at that position, but Wakefield's arguably better against the run. If we sign someone like Steve White, this team will be fine.

I think it is because he is white!

 

[danny l]

Krang I think that you are way off on your flashing the "race card on this situation". I think that we are Cardinal fans. Not white Cardinal fans. I think that race as an issue as to if someone plays or not is long gone. I don't think that anyone cares if a player is white, black, or blue as long as that player can play, produce, and bleed Cardinal RED.
Oh, and by the way Kerouc, KVB was on the defensive line.

 

[AZCB34]

May as well add my 2 cents. Everyone is right. Those who say this is a huge loss are right in that the cards lost a sure starter in KVB. There is no team out there that can afford to lose starters very often so in that respect this does hurt. The question is: Who, if anyone, will step up?

Those who say this isn't a huge loss are...well...right. KVBhas done little on the field to warrant a "season is collapsing" mentality. He will be missed but like kerouac says, it isn't like the Bucs losing Rice.

Krang, I don't know if you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed but I think you are WAAAAAAAAAAAY off on the whole KVB is white so he gets the love routine. He is a starter who is lost for the year (presumably) and there were expectations for him this year...by the Cards organization no less. The response would have been the same no matter what starter (and his corresponding race) went down.

Fortunately, the Cards may get lucky and add a DE with equivalent abilities since I would presume there would be some KVB clone type players cut at TC end around the league. I would not expect any very good players to be cut though so the Cards better have their ducks in a row and their research completed in good fashion IF they plan on moving for a released player come camp end.

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Sure, he plays hard and he's white, but other than that, he isn't a very good starting defensive end.

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What does being white have to do with anything?

Just ignore him it the professional victim syndrome.

 

[Stout]

I think what Krang means here, and what so many people are overlooking, is this: Imagine, if you will, that KVB is a different player. He has similar numbers (5 sacks in 17 healthy games), he isn't looking that good in preseason, but he's supposedly a really hard worker. He might have a fan or two, but not too many.

Now, make that player white, and liftoff! He's all-of-a-sudden the UNDERDOG favorite player. You don't see that many white DEs have the kind of success the black DEs get recently in this league, so he's a fan darling.

I do not think Krang is saying everyone's racist because they think he's actually better BECAUSE he's white, but that they ROOT for him, perhaps just a little bit more, because he is white. That's what it sounds like.

It's valid, too. Hell, I was a KVB fan for a while, and I'll admit that one reason was he was white. I root for underdogs (ahem, I'm a Cards fan, right?) I wanted him to do well because he was too low of a talent for the second round and I wanted him to justify the pick.

So far, for whatever reason, he hasn't. All right, rookie season is a wash. After that season, I can dig saying he had plenty of potential. Potential. His comeback year he showed next to nothing. This preseason, he showed less than nothing. Why, then, is everybody enamored with him? Hmm?

I'll agree this isn't a reason to not be upset with his loss. He may have contributed well this offseason. I'm just glad this isn't one of our other starters that went down for the year.

But please, Krang has brought out a viable point. Let's not crucify him for it.

 

[EndZone]

What a boat load of crap.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm absolutely sick for KVB. The guy worked so hard to rehab his other knee it just doesn't seem fair.

Those who say people like KVB because he is white have no clue. The reason people love KVB is because of his unconditional love of the game of football and the total effort he gives on every play. Please don't insult the rest of us with your ridiculous comments.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KVB's down for the season - injuries in Cardinal camp - the defense being way ahead of the offense - Tango making a mockery of himself - what else is new. All those honestly believing in a playoff run this year need to come back to Earth - your families probably miss you. Fred Wakefield - what a joke - BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE DEPTH!

 

[SECTION 11]

I like him because he's a Husker that I've followed for the last six years.
I like him because those "over valued" qualities such as off-season work ethic are those qualities that bring championships. Talent alone is not enough, and it never will be.
Do you honestly believe the '97 Huskers were more talented than the '97 Volunteers with Manning, Al Wilson, Leonard Little et al? Hell no.
I like him because he's exactly what this defense needed.
Any post that claims "this board" liked him because he was white should have "except Section 11" after it, because that's a steaming pile of crap.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Stout
I think what Krang means here, and what so many people are overlooking, is this: Imagine, if you will, that KVB is a different player. He has similar numbers (5 sacks in 17 healthy games), he isn't looking that good in preseason, but he's supposedly a really hard worker. He might have a fan or two, but not too many.

Now, make that player white, and liftoff! He's all-of-a-sudden the UNDERDOG favorite player. You don't see that many white DEs have the kind of success the black DEs get recently in this league, so he's a fan darling.

I do not think Krang is saying everyone's racist because they think he's actually better BECAUSE he's white, but that they ROOT for him, perhaps just a little bit more, because he is white. That's what it sounds like.

It's valid, too. Hell, I was a KVB fan for a while, and I'll admit that one reason was he was white. I root for underdogs (ahem, I'm a Cards fan, right?) I wanted him to do well because he was too low of a talent for the second round and I wanted him to justify the pick.

So far, for whatever reason, he hasn't. All right, rookie season is a wash. After that season, I can dig saying he had plenty of potential. Potential. His comeback year he showed next to nothing. This preseason, he showed less than nothing. Why, then, is everybody enamored with him? Hmm?

I'll agree this isn't a reason to not be upset with his loss. He may have contributed well this offseason. I'm just glad this isn't one of our other starters that went down for the year.

But please, Krang has brought out a viable point. Let's not crucify him for it.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad that someone else understands!!!!!!!!!!!

If his name was Kareem Johnson from Harlem with 5 career sacks, in 17 healthy games, he would not get the same attention that he has received. And like you said, I'm not accusing anyone of being racists, only liking players that are more like "us".

I'm guilty of it myself; I like white players too, because I can identify with them more.

KVB has never done anything, but from reading this board, you would think he was the second coming of Deacon Jones. Sure he is a try hard type, but that only goes so far, especially if the player isn't productive.

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad that someone else understands!!!!!!!!!!!

If his name was Kareem Johnson from Harlem with 5 career sacks, in 17 healthy games, he would not get the same attention that he has received. And like you said, I'm not accusing anyone of being racists, only liking players that are more like "us".

I'm guilty of it myself; I like white players too, because I can identify with them more.

KVB has never done anything, but from reading this board, you would think he was the second coming of Deacon Jones. Sure he is a try hard type, but that only goes so far, especially if the player isn't productive.

What about B. Gilmore? Hmmm same thing happens with Black Players. And Fisher, and Boldin,

maybe some people like desire, work ethic, talent, and are not as shallow as others.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad that someone else understands!!!!!!!!!!!

If his name was Kareem Johnson from Harlem with 5 career sacks, in 17 healthy games, he would not get the same attention that he has received. And like you said, I'm not accusing anyone of being racists, only liking players that are more like "us".

I'm guilty of it myself; I like white players too, because I can identify with them more.

KVB has never done anything, but from reading this board, you would think he was the second coming of Deacon Jones. Sure he is a try hard type, but that only goes so far, especially if the player isn't productive.

Then explain to me why all of these white player supporters love Nate Poole so much. Last time I checked he was black. He has half the talent of KVB but is also a good guy that fans love to pull for.

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Then explain to me why all of these white player supporters love Nate Poole some much. Last time I checked he was black. He has half the talent of KVB but is also a good guy that fans love to pull for.

But that is different because it doesnt support his shallow theory.

 

[Stout]

I don't know if it's because he's like 'us' Krang, but it gives him that underdog label.

For those who just want to label this as 'ridiculous', or whatever other title you have for it, go ahead and live with your delusions. I'll live with reality. Hell, in the time it took to get to this thread again, I've received a PM agreeing wholeheartedly. Of course, the person didn't want to post a true yet unpopular opinion on here. Seems you get yelled at for things like that.

And that isn't to say that all, or even most, of the people here care a damn about KVB's color. It's just that, to some, it gives him a bit of an underdog label. And that IS a fact, at a position and in a league that is predominantly NOT white. (That isn't saying I'm angry about that-it's just saying it makes KVB a bit of an underdog-don't want that misinterpreted!).

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Then explain to me why all of these white player supporters love Nate Poole some much. Last time I checked he was black. He has half the talent of KVB but is also a good guy that fans love to pull for.

If nate went down who would really care? He will be cut anyway.
KVB is not a good DE. Give me talent over heart anyday. I'll take your randy moss' and David Boston's of the world before i would take the KVB's and the Nate Poole's of the world.

 

[SECTION 11]

If you're going to make a claim like that, you probably should just be a man about it and say exactly who you're talking about that's pulling for him because he's white, because this generalization of the entire board is pure *****.