The Official "Sign Chidi Ahanatou Now" Thread

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think we should sign Chidi.It's not like he's going to make a difference in this years team.At best,in my opinion,we win 5 games.I would rather let King,Johnson, and others have the year to try and develop and maybe we have some semblence of a productive DL in the coming years.I say we go with King,Bryant, Bell and Pace this year and let them develop some chemistry together.All Chidi will do is stifle growth in a down year.If we were contenders then i could see bringing in someone like him.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Lets see,

Fred Wakefield:

2002: Started 15 of 16 games and posted 44 tackles (21 solos), 3 quarterback sacks, 9 hurries, 2 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, and 5 pass deflections

2001: Started final 12 games, recording 47 tackles (20 solos), 2 quarterback sacks, team-best 16 hurries, 4 tackles for loss, 9 passes defensed, and 1 interception return for touchdown

Chidi Ahanatou last year:

2002: Started 14 of 16 games and posted 44 tackles (32 solos) 5 quaterback sacks

2001: Started all 16 games and posted 29 tackles (21 solos), 2 quarterback sacks, 1 pass defended


He really doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade over Wakefield. Actually Wakefield did better than I remembered.

And just for comparison sake KVB:

2002: overall in 16 starts collected 66 tackles (35 solos), 4 sacks, 9 hurries, 8 tackles for loss, and 1 fumble recovery

 

[Jttsaz]

If that's the case shouldn't we start McCown to let him develop as a qb of the future? Or why didn't we draft our franchise qb and build the team around him? This team need to make up it's mind...win now or play for tommorrow....Personally I would like to see them try and win..

I don't think we should sign Chidi.It's not like he's going to make a difference in this years team.At best,in my opinion,we win 5 games.I would rather let King,Johnson, and others have the year to try and develop and maybe we have some semblence of a productive DL in the coming years.I say we go with King,Bryant, Bell and Pace this year and let them develop some chemistry together.All Chidi will do is stifle growth in a down year.If we were contenders then i could see bringing in someone like him.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
I don't think we should sign Chidi.It's not like he's going to make a difference in this years team. At best,in my opinion,we win 5 games.I would rather let King,Johnson, and others have the year to try and develop and maybe we have some semblence of a productive DL in the coming years.I say we go with King,Bryant, Bell and Pace this year and let them develop some chemistry together.All Chidi will do is stifle growth in a down year.If we were contenders then i could see bringing in someone like him.

Let's not even try to field a winning team this year - that's great. This thinking drives me crazy. What makes you think Wakefield et al will blossom into great players next year?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
And just for comparison sake KVB:

2002: overall in 16 starts collected 66 tackles (35 solos), 4 sacks, 9 hurries, 8 tackles for loss, and 1 fumble recovery

where are Chidi's other stats? Besides for one year playing in only 14 games - getting 5 sacks on a line that was as bad as Buffalo's was - is better production than Wakefield IMO - the fact that he has been a pretty consistent performer on good defenses boosts his experience up also - Let me ask you this - one KVB is gone - so our depth has taken a hit and it seems that we have another first day bust on our hands in Dennis Johnson - right? What would it hurt to bring him in? In addition to this - do you think Wakefield is going to get a lot better or be in our plans for the future? If not - then why not have a guy who can better lead these kids and has shown to be a better player throughout his career and even had a better year last year on the squad?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
where are Chidi's other stats? Besides for one year playing in only 14 games - getting 5 sacks on a line that was as bad as Buffalo's was - is better production than Wakefield IMO - the fact that he has been a pretty consistent performer on good defenses boosts his experience up also - Let me ask you this - one KVB is gone - so our depth has taken a hit and it seems that we have another first day bust on our hands in Dennis Johnson - right? What would it hurt to bring him in? In addition to this - do you think Wakefield is going to get a lot better or be in our plans for the future? If not - then why not have a guy who can better lead these kids and has shown to be a better player throughout his career and even had a better year last year on the squad?

Hurries and tackles for a loss were not included on the Stats page that was given. I cut and pasted the Stats for Wakefield and KVB from the Cardinals site. I probably should have removed those to stats to make them match up better. Sorry is that caused confusion.

However, bringing in a player who is no better than Fred Wakefield doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when he is on his last legs. I'd rather go with King and Moore.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Hurries and tackles for a loss were not included on the Stats page that was given. I cut and pasted the Stats for Wakefield and KVB from the Cardinals site. I probably should have removed those to stats to make them match up better. Sorry is that caused confusion.

However, bringing in a player who is no better than Fred Wakefield doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when he is on his last legs. I'd rather go with King and Moore.

Yeah---what MCD and CBus said.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Look at it this way. In his last three years he has averaged only Three sacks and 27 solo tackles per year.

I garentee that Fred Wakefield can match that and I'm sure that our young DEs could probably match that also. If we are going to bring in an aging vet to teach our young player it better be someone like Bruce Smith who was actually All Pro for most of his career.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Look at it this way. In his last three years he has averaged only Three sacks and 27 solo tackles per year.

I garentee that Fred Wakefield can match that and I'm sure that our young DEs could probably match that also. If we are going to bring in an aging vet to teach our young player it better be someone like Bruce Smith who was actually All Pro for most of his career.

How many DE's will we keep after cut-downs? Maybe the question should be is he better than Johnson or Quinn and are those two guys worth investing more time in?

 

[football karma]

Chidi at this point may be no better than Wakefield –but I feel pretty confident is saying that he is definitely better than Dennis Johnson or Alton Moore.

If this team has anything, it has cap room. Bring him in for a one year contract. I have never seen a seemingly perpetual 5-11 team and some of its fans be so d@mn picky about the players it adds to its roster.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by en fuego
I have never seen a seemingly perpetual 5-11 team and some of its fans be so d@mn picky about the players it adds to its roster.

Thank you - my sentiments exactly. Seems every year we sacrifice to get guys experience to win the following year. Then things happen that sets us back a year. Never ends.

 

[40yearfan]

I for one think the Cards have done an admirable job to this point and I will trust in their descretion in this matter.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
I for one think the Cards have done an admirable job to this point and I will trust in their descretion in this matter.

I too like what transpired in the off-season this year in general. Graves gets a

 

[kerouac9]

I'm sure that Graves is quite thankful to the self-avowed defenders of the franchise that they think that this team can win 5 games this season, and are fine with that.

Somehow perhaps they can build a marketing campaign around that. It'd make a good commercial: "Cardinals football 2003: We're kind of trying to put together a good team, for 2004!"

Any thoughts on what we can do to move this forward, Omo?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm sure that Graves is quite thankful to the self-avowed defenders of the franchise that they think that this team can win 5 games this season, and are fine with that.

Do you think they're going to win less than five games this season?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Do you think they're going to win less than five games this season?

I don't know. I don't really think that they could win less than five games. But since posters like 40year and Cbus as AZCB think that we won't win more than five games, and don't feel particularly interested in adding to the roster to go over that number, then the franchise out to publicize it.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm sure that Graves is quite thankful to the self-avowed defenders of the franchise that they think that this team can win 5 games this season, and are fine with that.

Somehow perhaps they can build a marketing campaign around that. It'd make a good commercial: "Cardinals football 2003: We're kind of trying to put together a good team, for 2004!"

Any thoughts on what we can do to move this forward, Omo?

Bitch, bitch,bitch, you wouldn't be happy if they hung you with a new rope.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't know. I don't really think that they could win less than five games. But since posters like 40year and Cbus as AZCB think that we won't win more than five games, and don't feel particularly interested in adding to the roster to go over that number, then the franchise out to publicize it.

Better re-read what I have said. I said to bring in Chidi.

And I have said 7-9 for the record for some time now.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Better re-read what I have said. I said to bring in Chidi.

And I have said 7-9 for the record for some time now.

I apologize. I think that I meant en fuego. There's no shortage of posters on this board who think that we're going 5-11, and don't seem to mind that, since they don't want to add anyone to maybe make the situation better, either.

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I apologize. I think that I meant en fuego. There's no shortage of posters on this board who think that we're going 5-11, and don't seem to mind that, since they don't want to add anyone to maybe make the situation better, either.

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

No biggie.

I don't recall who said it on this thread (Jttsaz maybe?) but this team really does need to decide what they are trying to do (maybe they have but their moves don't make me believe it). Win now or later? Then base all decisions on that plan. Seems like they scatter shot it. They improve a position but then they inexplicably leave another one weaker. I can't see immediate success (ie winning record) with that formula.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I apologize. I think that I meant en fuego. There's no shortage of posters on this board who think that we're going 5-11, and don't seem to mind that, since they don't want to add anyone to maybe make the situation better, either.

I want to see the Cards add someone if they can find someone who is good. I don't want them to run around like a chicken with their head cut off signing any has been that they can find.

I said it before, don't you people remember Tony McCoy. This situation reminds me of when the Cards signed him. Sign some has been that had a less than spetacular career and pretend like they have upgraded. I am not falling for that again.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by AZCB34
No biggie.

I don't recall who said it on this thread (Jttsaz maybe?) but this team really does need to decide what they are trying to do (maybe they have but their moves don't make me believe it). Win now or later? Then base all decisions on that plan. Seems like they scatter shot it. They improve a position but then they inexplicably leave another one weaker. I can't see immediate success (ie winning record) with that formula.

I think that it confuses the fans, too. I know it does me. When you sign players like Freddie Jones and Duane Starks, it looks like you're ready to start winning. When you pass on a player that could be the answer to your most glaring question (pass rush) for a couple developmental players/reaches in B. Johnson and C. Pace, it seems pretty obvious that there's a longer event horizon for winning.

Also, I really don't get why Mac and Graves are making it sound like the end of the world when KVB goes down. It almost makes it sound like the season is already over. Builds a lot of faith.

 

[CardLogic]

Man, long thread with both sides to the discussion repeating the same arguements over and over. For the record I am with cheesebeef and kerouac on this one.

I am guessing that the reality is the Cardinals are looking at who's available, but they will let the youngsters continue to get the preseason reps, with the hopeful optimism that one or more of them will shine. Then, after the first regular season game; which is against the Lions, whom they gotta figure they should beat regardless of our DL status; pick up an available DE. This way the Cardinals don't have to pay them for the full season if they don't stay on the roster.

Sound familiar? This was what they did last year with both Roundtree and Fina. (Which, you have to admit, worked out pretty well for the organization.) But, this is also what drives many of the Cardinals fans MAD!

Once again the main consideration in these situations is: money; the bottom line. The product, i.e. - a winning team, is the secondary consideration.


AAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I want to see the Cards add someone if they can find someone who is good. I don't want them to run around like a chicken with their head cut off signing any has been that they can find.

I said it before, don't you people remember Tony McCoy. This situation reminds me of when the Cards signed him. Sign some has been that had a less than spetacular career and pretend like they have upgraded. I am not falling for that again.

Isn't that a question of "spin" than anything else? What if they sign Chidi, and then act like he's a player that helps fill in the "belly of the team" and "will help the young players"? They can say "he's played for some big-time teams and had success in the past," like all the other tired bull-flop that they say for players like Cameron Spikes and Frank Garcia.

Frankly, "run around like a chicken with their head cut off signing any has been that they can find" sounds like a semi-accurate description of the Jeff Blake situation. Kordell didn't want to come here, and we needed someone. Jeff Blake hasn't exactly galvanized the fan base in his two preseason appearances.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by kerouac9
When you pass on a player that could be the answer to your most glaring question (pass rush) for a couple developmental players/reaches in B. Johnson and C. Pace, it seems pretty obvious that there's a longer event horizon for winning.

Are you still crying about the Cards not selecting Suggs? From what I've seen so far I'll gladly take Pace and Johnson over Suggs.

Originally posted by kerouac9
Also, I really don't get why Mac and Graves are making it sound like the end of the world when KVB goes down. It almost makes it sound like the season is already over. Builds a lot of faith.

The only thing I've seen out of Mac and Graves is frustration. Frustration for the loss of a solid player. Frustration because of all the hard work that KVB put in only to have this happen. Not once have I got the feeling that they feel the season is over.