The Official "Sign Chidi Ahanatou Now" Thread

[Pariah]

But, Graves added, “the chances of us replacing him with a guy as good or better is very slim.”

Now there is no way to be certain, but there are no indications he has attempted to contact Chidi so he mustn't think Chidi is as good as KVB.

Actually, the Cards had contact with Chidi relatively early in the offseason, so I think the only thing you can take from Graves' statement is that he doesn't think we'll sign him. No more, no less. To say Graves and the organization doesn't think he's as good as KVB based on that quote is speculation.

 

[SweetD]

I always liked Ahanatou.... I would always pick him in my NFL 2k game A!....HAN!......A!.....TOU!

 

[football karma]

My frustration is that the Cardinals may end up going into the season with an Alton Moore as the final DE on the roster --

I would hate to get 10 games into the season, have Wakefield and King get dinged, and suddenly, Alton Moore is your starting left defensive end --- when the alternative is that you could have put Alton Moore on the practice squad, and added a veteran who last year put up decent numbers --

if this team were cap strapped I would understand, but it is cap rich, so I dont.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Isn't that a question of "spin" than anything else? What if they sign Chidi, and then act like he's a player that helps fill in the "belly of the team" and "will help the young players"? They can say "he's played for some big-time teams and had success in the past," like all the other tired bull-flop that they say for players like Cameron Spikes and Frank Garcia.

Frankly, "run around like a chicken with their head cut off signing any has been that they can find" sounds like a semi-accurate description of the Jeff Blake situation. Kordell didn't want to come here, and we needed someone. Jeff Blake hasn't exactly galvanized the fan base in his two preseason appearances.

So your point is

That it was mistake to sign Blake, Spikes, Garcia - and to even consider Chidi?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Let me ask you all this - Why is team like New England - who finished 9-7 last year and is coming off a Super Bowl two years ago still making moves to improve their D-line? Maybe it's because you put the best players you can on the field - Did we make no effort to do something like NE trade for Ted Washington - did we do anything about signing Big Daddy? Are we really more of sure of ourselves with the pathetic crap coming back from last eyars d-line that we don't need a Ted Washington, or a Big Daddy or a Chidi Ahanawhatever - Davis, Bell, KVB, Wakenfield all stink - they have for two years and yet they are all there on the dpeth chart with no one but a fifth round pick pushing any of them. That is freaking pathetic. Good teams - screw that - teams who want to win constantly look to upgrade their squad - we like to sit back and hope something good will pan oput down the road (suprise garbage turning into all-pros or cuts that are never gonna happen).

Graves - you had me with the signings, you are losing me right now. Get your ass to work - just like other GMs are doing you louse.

 

[Alan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Davis, Bell, KVB, Wakenfield all stink

And what exactly have Washington and Wilkinson done the last couple years? The guys you listed might "stink", but they each had more tackles and sacks than Wilkinson last year, and more sacks than Washington in his last full season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Alan
And what exactly have Washington and Wilkinson done the last couple years? The guys you listed might "stink", but they each had more tackles and sacks than Wilkinson last year, and more sacks than Washington in his last full season.

Alan - I think if Brett Favre became available and we passed on him you would try to rationalize it in Graves' favor somehow. Are you honestly going to tell me that if healthy Ted Washington isn't better than Russel Davis or Marcus Bell. Come on now. Stats aren't everything - the guy ius a load in the middle and a proven perfromer.

 

[Alan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Alan - I think if Brett Favre became available and we passed on him you would try to rationalize it in Graves' favor somehow. Are you honestly going to tell me that if healthy Ted Washington isn't better than Russel Davis or Marcus Bell. Come on now. Stats aren't everything - the guy ius a load in the middle and a proven perfromer.

...and are you going to tell me that if Joe Shmoe became available and had to the same stats Washington and Wilkinson had, you'd want him so badly?

I am all in favor of upgrading the d-line, and Washington would have been a good addition, but I want production, not name recognition.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Alan
And what exactly have Washington and Wilkinson done the last couple years? The guys you listed might "stink", but they each had more tackles and sacks than Wilkinson last year, and more sacks than Washington in his last full season.

Do you know how many tackles Gilbert Brown had in 1999? (I believe 1999, I dont feel like looking it up) but any case, he had a total of 1 TACKLE...

You think the Pack wanted to get rid of him? No b/c his job was to clog the middle, which he did, and force plays to the LB's and DT's

 

[Alan]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Do you know how many tackles Gilbert Brown had in 1999? (I believe 1999, I dont feel like looking it up) but any case, he had a total of 1 TACKLE...

You think the Pack wanted to get rid of him? No b/c his job was to clog the middle, which he did, and force plays to the LB's and DT's

Actually, 40 tackles. I just find it a bit strange that the Bears were willing to give up Washington, who was listed as a starting DT and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Obviously they didn't see him as such a great player.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Alan
...and are you going to tell me that if Joe Shmoe became available and had to the same stats Washington and Wilkinson had, you'd want him so badly?

I am all in favor of upgrading the d-line, and Washington would have been a good addition, but I want production, not name recognition.

Alan - you assume I have no idea or have never watched Washington play - mighty kind of you to asume such nonsense - I know the guys name because I know the guy's game - he is a load in the middle - It's name recognition due to production - My God Alan - you are a journalist major - right? How can you look at the Cards so completely subjectively. Have they done NOTHING WRONG ALL OFFSEASON? Washington is a run stopper, an anchor - he is not Joe Schmoe - but if Joe Schmoe had similar numnbers and was respected as a run stopper than I'd want his ass in here also.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Alan
Actually, 40 tackles. I just find it a bit strange that the Bears were willing to give up Washington, who was listed as a starting DT and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Obviously they didn't see him as such a great player.

I meant the year Alan...

Oneyear he had exactly 1 solo tackle. I thought it was 1999 but it could have been another year

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Alan
Actually, 40 tackles. I just find it a bit strange that the Bears were willing to give up Washington, who was listed as a starting DT and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Obviously they didn't see him as such a great player.

Right - because a fourth round may as well be garbage right Alan - maybe that's what the Cardinals have prgrammed you to think considering our roster is so chock full of these great undrafted Free Agents and 7th round picks and so many busts from rounds 4 and up are either gone or Pro Bowlers! A fourth pick is a pretty good deal for a 35 year old lineman. And I'm sure the Pats fans and organization - who has won a Super Bowl, and has had a knack for finding guys like Washington to play and contribute should be given zero credence at all. Give me a freaking break.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Alan
Actually, 40 tackles. I just find it a bit strange that the Bears were willing to give up Washington, who was listed as a starting DT and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Obviously they didn't see him as such a great player.

That not always the case...

CAN YOU SAY

DARWIN WALKER

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
That not always the case...

CAN YOU SAY

DARWIN WALKER

Probably not - that would be admitting this team makes mistakes.

 

[40yearfan]

I can't believe you guys are still going round and round with this. The Cards talked to this guy and to this point decided they don't want him. Maybe they had concerns with him like they did with Okeafor. We don't know because we're not in the loop. As pointed out by others on this thread, I find it amazing that with the serious shortage of DE's right now that no other team has signed him. Why hasn't Washington gone after him if he's so good?

 

[Alan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
My God Alan - you are a journalist major - right? How can you look at the Cards so completely subjectively. Have they done NOTHING WRONG ALL OFFSEASON? .

I'm sorry, when did I say they did nothing wrong? Please show me. When did I say I wouldn't want Washington? Please show me. Sorry for not going nuts because a football team didn't make the moves I liked or thought were best.

I just think it's very strange the Bears would trade such a great player, who was expected to start and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Why would they trade him if he was still a great player? Perhaps because they are very concerned about a 35-year-old player, on the downside of his career, who weighs 375 pounds and is coming off a broken leg and a foot injury.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
I can't believe you guys are still going round and round with this. The Cards talked to this guy and to this point decided they don't want him. Maybe they had concerns with him like they did with Okeafor. We don't know because we're not in the loop. As pointed out by others on this thread, I find it amazing that with the serious shortage of DE's right now that no other team has signed him. Why hasn't Washington gone after him if he's so good?

Hey 40Year - we're talking about TED WASHINGTON - another DT who is better than anything we currently have - going to the Pats for a fourth round pick. If you're gonna get into the conversation - read our posts - instead of just deciding what we have to say - but then again - then you'd probably just be as down on this team as us - because we make sense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Alan
I'm sorry, when did I say they did nothing wrong? Please show me. When did I say I wouldn't want Washington? Please show me. Sorry for not going nuts because a football team didn't make the moves I liked or thought were best.

I just think it's very strange the Bears would trade such a great player, who was expected to start and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Why would they trade him if he was still a great player? Perhaps because they are very concerned about a 35-year-old player, on the downside of his career, who weighs 375 pounds and is coming off a broken leg and a foot injury.

And do you think the Patriots then are just gullible morons who would give up a 4th round pick for a player who is useless? I never said Washington was a great player - but he is better than anything we have - as is probably whatever the Pats had before they made the move for him - but they saw an opporutnity and went for it.

Sorry if you aren't mad about a team that has continually this offseason waited around -days before offering contracts, waiting until after the draft to deal with Robinson - basically spurning him, waiting until June 1st cuts cause we were gonna be major players -Im just sick of it - and it seems to me like we never here anything from you lately about lack of moves but rationalizations. Don't you get tired of making excuses? I certainly get tired of ripping Graves.

 

[Alan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
and it seems to me like we never here anything from you lately about lack of moves but rationalizations. Don't you get tired of making excuses?

Please point out these excuses...or when I have praised the team. Sorry if I'm not negative enough for you in my one post per day.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Alan
I just think it's very strange the Bears would trade such a great player, who was expected to start and has a small salary, for a fourth-round draft pick. Why would they trade him if he was still a great player? Perhaps because they are very concerned about a 35-year-old player, on the downside of his career, who weighs 375 pounds and is coming off a broken leg and a foot injury.

That makes to much sense Alan. There has to be another reason for this trade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
That makes to much sense Alan. There has to be another reason for this trade.

So basically you are saying that a team in NE who won the Super Bowl two years ago getting guys like Washington and then went on to win 9 games last year are just morons and got taken in this trade giving up a pcik of actual; value. Now I know the Cardinals have conditioned us to think the drfat doesn't really matter since we apparently are so pathetic at it, but a 4th round pick is a valuable commodity. Maybe it makes sense that this is trade that worked well for both sides. No of couyrse not - Ted Washington just flat out sucks, and now apparently to Skkorp has lockerroom baggage that I've never heard of.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
That makes to much sense Alan. There has to be another reason for this trade.

Ok, first off, I hate the Pats but Belicheck is as close as you will come to a defensive Genius.

Saying he must be damaged goods thats why the Cards didint want him is crap and not even a first rate excuse!

If you remember correctly, and I even remember people chiding NEM on this board about it, Belicheck brought in tons of these 'has beens, never was, over-the-hill' guys two years ago and what happened? SUPERBOWL!

I am not saying they are all like this, but please with the cap space this team has, the obvious need for d-line help, and to FINALLY have a huge run stopper, even if for only on first and second downs, this would have beena good fit for this team.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
So basically you are saying that a team in NE who won the Super Bowl two years ago getting guys like Washington and then went on to win 9 games last year are just morons and got taken in this trade giving up a pcik of actual; value. Now I know the Cardinals have conditioned us to think the drfat doesn't really matter since we apparently are so pathetic at it, but a 4th round pick is a valuable commodity. Maybe it makes sense that this is trade that worked well for both sides. No of couyrse not - Ted Washington just flat out sucks, and now apparently to Skkorp has lockerroom baggage that I've never heard of.

I believe that Washington is different. A guy as big as he is at his age just can't keep going. He has taken a pounding every single play against 300+ pounders for his entire career. He is 35 years old. There is no way he lasts the entire season.

I don't think it is worth the risk to throw away a 4th rounder on a guy that won't be there for you. If he was a free agent then maybe you bring him in and see if he can play a few games for you. Even then he will not solve out biggest problem which is generating a pass rush.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

With the money left, the Cards should be looking at WRs, not DEs. Our defense has played great and seems to have good chemistry. Why mess with that? If we only get one sack vs. the Bears, maybe you'll all have a point, but as of now, extend contracts or get a proven friggin WR!