The Official Trade Idea Thread

[sharkman]

It is a major pipe dream...but one I'd like to see (Seattle gets hosed).

PS: Garnett is 6'11" http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_garnett/index.html

Lewis is 6'10" http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rashard_lewis/index.html

 

[slinslin]

PS: NBA.com measurements are from the Draft.
Lewis and KG both entered out of highschool and have grown since.

Anyway here is another pipedream that works under the cap

Phoenix trades
Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Banks, #24, #29
Phoenix gets
Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Luke Ridnour and Johan Petro

Phoenix drafts Al Horford

Amare/Petro
Horford/Diaw
Lewis/Hill
Allen/Barbosa
Nash/Ridnour

 

[jlove]

For those of you who think that Marion has no trade value and that Diaw has no trade value, think back to last year. Without a dominant LOW POST presence (Amare), Diaw and Marion played like All-Stars together. With that being said, the Suns could do some haggling with other teams. However, IF the Suns trade Diaw, it can't happen until after July 1st (that's when Diaw's new contract starts up). So, a pre-draft trade UNDERSTANDING would have to be done under the table if draft picks were to be involved. So, a trade for KG would work. Something like Marion/Diaw/#4 pick for KG and #7 pick.
The Wolves starters:
Foye
Davis
Marion
Diaw
Blount
Bench: #4 pick, James, Hudson, Jaric, McCants, Wright, Reed, Smith, Madson
The Suns starters:
Nash
Bell
KG
#7 pick (Yi/Wright/Brewer/Green)
Amare
Bench: Barbosa, KT, Jr, Banks...pick-ups

Then with the #24 pick, grab someone like Crittendon, Bellineli, Fernandez, Splitter
With the #29 pick, either go after another big or use it along with Banks to get rid of him.
With #53 pick..grab a euro and leave him over-seas

 

[Divide Et Impera]

PS: NBA.com measurements are from the Draft.
Lewis and KG both entered out of highschool and have grown since.

Anyway here is another pipedream that works under the cap

Phoenix trades
Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Banks, #24, #29
Phoenix gets
Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Luke Ridnour and Johan Petro

Phoenix drafts Al Horford

Amare/Petro
Horford/Diaw
Lewis/Hill
Allen/Barbosa
Nash/Ridnour

That's a pipe dream I've been smoking on since last offseason. That trade, for me, would end it. No more moves necessary....

 

[slinslin]

I don't think Seattle gets hosed in that big deal.

Lewis and Magette are not happy with their current teams. Maggette and a late pick for Lewis isn't bad value but considering all the Magette wants to be traded maybe the Clips should send a future protected pick to Seattle.

Overall I think the trade isn't a pipe dream because of someone getting hosed, it's a pipe dream because it is a 4-way trade and has no real chance of happening, but talent wise its a decent deal for every team in my opinion.

 

[jlove]

I focus on improving our chances vs the Spurs.

Trade 1

Stoudemire, Diaw for Garnett

While Amare is a fantastic young player, he is far from an ideal matchup against Duncan. He will give up at least as much points agains TD as he scores on the other end of the floor. He is a worse defender, passer and rebounder than KG. Diaw is a non-factor against the Spurs.

Age of KG isn't an issue since this is Nash's team and Garnett is younger than him.

MIN gets a new start and they can try to build a system with Amare and Diaw's co-existing.

Trade 2

CHA - May, Harrington, Voskuhl to SAC, #8 to PHO

SAC - Kenny Thomas to CHA, #10 to PHO

PHO - #4,24 to CHA, #29 to SAC

CHA gets Okafor's frontcourt-mate at #4.

SAC gets rid of Thomas' contract, gets a late 1st rounder and May for a late lottery pick.

PHO takes Conley at #8 and the best available swingman at #10 (J. Wright, Brewer, Green or Thornton).

Conley is very quick, already a solid defender so he (sooner or later) can be able to slow down Parker. He is a also a good distributor so with Nash on the bench we don't have to base on Barbosa's non-existant playmaking skills.

How do you see this trade going down?
Phoenix trades #4, #24, and #29 pick and we get #8 and #10 in return. (I'd love to see this happen, but that's the biggest pipe dream on this board.)
Charlottes trades the #8, may, Harrington and Voskul for Thomas, #4 and #24 picks...come on now.
Sac trades Thomas and #10 pick for May, Harrington, Voskul and #29 pick.

Charlotte gets the biggest dong on this trade. Phoenix gets the just got laid look, cause they are in heaven. Sac makes out pretty well too.

 

[blow]

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't we lose because we couldn't make the big shots when it counted. The spurs were nailing the 3 pointers form everywhere. I personally think Marion has to stay, if i'm disappointed with anyone its Barbosa. He lost the ball too much and couldn't hit the big shots when it counted.

 

[sharkman]

PS: NBA.com measurements are from the Draft.
Lewis and KG both entered out of highschool and have grown since.

Garnett is listed as 6'11" on his own website...and basketball players usually exaggerate their height...
http://www.kevingarnett.com/profile.aspx

Bill Wennington was my neighbor in Dallas...he was listed as 7'1" in the Dallas media guide...and he was really 6'11" (7'1" in really, really, thick sneakers)

 

[Linderbee]

Garnett is listed as 6'11" on his own website...and basketball players usually exaggerate their height...
http://www.kevingarnett.com/profile.aspx

Bill Wennington was my neighbor in Dallas...he was listed as 7'1" in the Dallas media guide...and he was really 6'11" (7'1" in really, really, thick sneakers)

Charles Barkley, of course, being the exception...

 

[hcsilla]

How do you see this trade going down?
Phoenix trades #4, #24, and #29 pick and we get #8 and #10 in return. (I'd love to see this happen, but that's the biggest pipe dream on this board.)

It usually takes a lot for moving up in the lottery. This year it will become even harder.

I would love to see what would be a fair prize for #4, 24, 29 according to you.

 

[jlove]

It usually takes a lot for moving up in the lottery. This year it will become even harder.

I would love to see what would be a fair prize for #4, 24, 29 according to you.

I just don't see how you're going to turn our three draft picks in the deepest draft in at least a decade into 2 top 10 picks. Unreasonable.

 

[hcsilla]

I just don't see how you're going to turn our three draft picks in the deepest draft in at least a decade into 2 top 10 picks. Unreasonable.

Very simple. One of your "three picks"is #4 and the 2 top 10 picks are #8 and #10, not exactly the best ones of top10...

 

[TucsonDevil]

For those of you who think that Marion has no trade value and that Diaw has no trade value, think back to last year. Without a dominant LOW POST presence (Amare), Diaw and Marion played like All-Stars together. With that being said, the Suns could do some haggling with other teams. However, IF the Suns trade Diaw, it can't happen until after July 1st (that's when Diaw's new contract starts up). So, a pre-draft trade UNDERSTANDING would have to be done under the table if draft picks were to be involved. So, a trade for KG would work. Something like Marion/Diaw/#4 pick for KG and #7 pick.
The Wolves starters:
Foye
Davis
Marion
Diaw
Blount
Bench: #4 pick, James, Hudson, Jaric, McCants, Wright, Reed, Smith, Madson
The Suns starters:
Nash
Bell
KG
#7 pick (Yi/Wright/Brewer/Green)
Barbosa
Bench: KT, Jr, Banks...pick-ups

Then with the #24 pick, grab someone like Crittendon, Bellineli, Fernandez, Splitter
With the #29 pick, either go after another big or use it along with Banks to get rid of him.
With #53 pick..grab a euro and leave him over-seas

So, we don't play Amare in this scenario?

 

[jlove]

Sorry, forgot Amare.

 

[jlove]

There is also talk of the Suns trying to package Marion with the Atlanta pick to move up to #2 to get Durant. If that fails, I'd much rather try something like below rather than trying to get KG.

I prefer Yi over anyone else projected between 4-10, because I see him as a KG/Dirk/O'Neil/McGrady type player. As far as trades, it would behove the Suns to target Jermaine O'Neil rather than KG. Yes, KG is the better overall player, however the money speaks. Keep all our draft picks, then in mid-July, when Diaw's contract is corrected (due to his contract extension), trade Marion and Diaw for O'Neil and filler (Granger). That way we keep finances down, add O'Neil as either a PF or Center next to Amare (O'neil has an outside shot, plus he's good rebounding and shotblocking), plus we keep our Atlanta pick for Yi. With the #24 pick, we grab Javaris Crittendon as Nash's back-up at the point, and with # 29 pick we grab someone like Fazekas, Smith, Splitter, McRoberts, Radenovic.
That gives us a line-up of:
Nash/Crittendon
Bell/Barbosa
Yi/Granger
Amare/#29 pick
O'Neil/#29 pick
Crittendon gives us a guy who can play spots 1-3, Yi who plays 3-5, Granger who plays 3-4, and both Amare and O'Neil who play the 4-5.
We can go big, with Crittendon/Bell/Yi/Amare/O'Neil
or small with Nash/Barbosa/Granger/Amare/O'Neil.
All these players can run and are better defensively. Better suited than these past few years in a half court set if needed, but can still run-n-gun.
Use our 2007 2nd round pick, 2008 1st round pick next year to get rid of Banks.

 

[The Commish]

There is also talk of the Suns trying to package Marion with the Atlanta pick to move up to #2 to get Durant. If that fails, I'd much rather try something like below rather than trying to get KG.

I prefer Yi over anyone else projected between 4-10, because I see him as a KG/Dirk/O'Neil/McGrady type player. As far as trades, it would behove the Suns to target Jermaine O'Neil rather than KG. Yes, KG is the better overall player, however the money speaks. Keep all our draft picks, then in mid-July, when Diaw's contract is corrected (due to his contract extension), trade Marion and Diaw for O'Neil and filler (Granger). That way we keep finances down, add O'Neil as either a PF or Center next to Amare (O'neil has an outside shot, plus he's good rebounding and shotblocking), plus we keep our Atlanta pick for Yi. With the #24 pick, we grab Javaris Crittendon as Nash's back-up at the point, and with # 29 pick we grab someone like Fazekas, Smith, Splitter, McRoberts, Radenovic.
That gives us a line-up of:
Nash/Crittendon
Bell/Barbosa
Yi/Granger
Amare/#29 pick
O'Neil/#29 pick
Crittendon gives us a guy who can play spots 1-3, Yi who plays 3-5, Granger who plays 3-4, and both Amare and O'Neil who play the 4-5.
We can go big, with Crittendon/Bell/Yi/Amare/O'Neil
or small with Nash/Barbosa/Granger/Amare/O'Neil.
All these players can run and are better defensively. Better suited than these past few years in a half court set if needed, but can still run-n-gun.
Use our 2007 2nd round pick, 2008 1st round pick next year to get rid of Banks.

Granger is not a filler for Indiana. No way that deal happens.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I wonder if Memphis (assuming they get Greg Oden) would consider getting rid of Pau Gasol and Rudy Gay in exchange for a talented defender, rebounder, and scorer - Shawn Marion. Shawn could be the man on that team. And to be honest, with a guy like Oden behind him, he could be an incredible defender on the wing. If they needed more, then we throw in Banks to back up Damon Stoudamire.


Problem for Suns, Gasol's contract has 5 years remaining and his health is always in question. But think about the upside. Gasol gives us great length down low against scorers such as Kobe, Tony Parker, Manu, and Tracy McGrady. Rudy Gay can run and provide some scoring off the bench. And we don't have the 'Amare vs. Marion' debacle. I believe the Lone Wolf (Amare) could easily set the tone with Gasol as to who is in charge.

I know Pau Gasol is a 'back-to-the-basket scorer' and isn't the toughest of competitors, but he wouldn't be option #1 or even #2... he would be #3. He could get most of his scoring with the second unit and the 4th quarter as the game slows down more. I believe the Suns need to forget about 70 wins, and start focusing on winning in the Post-Season. Gasol could provide scoring when we can't run. Who would guard him on the Spurs? Elson? Oberto? please... He averaged 21.7 and 7.7 against them this past year (3 games) without having much help from anyone else. He could be kept to 25-30 min, rather than 35+ in order to protect his health with the Suns.

The more I think about this trade, the more I like it for the Suns - AND I don't think Memphis is getting hosed. If we needed to, throw in one of our late picks as well.

 

[elindholm]

I don't like the Gasol/Stoudemire pairing; the way they operate is too similar. For me that's a much bigger conflict than Garnett/Stoudemire would be.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Here is another*


Phoenix Suns
Trade: Shawn Marion, Kurt Thomas, #4
Receive: Emeka Okafor, Brevin Knight, #8 pick, possibly filler*

Charlott Bobcats
Trade: Okafor, Knight, #8, possibly filler*
Receive: Marion, KT, #4 pick

*can't use trade machine since KT's contract is restricted with the player option... but I believe this works since the Bobcats are under the cap by +$10M... its fuzzy to me

Bobcats can get an All-Star to play the 4, move up in the draft for another impact player (Wright, Horford) and a good 'Eastern Conference Center'. Bobcats, IMO, are missing an important piece to their puzzle - veteran leaders. While Marion isn't the greatest of leaders, he could very well lift that team to the playoffs in that weak conference. He is a very athletic 4 and gives them rebounds and scoring. KT is a solid leader, and increases their size down low. This team struggles to score - Marion and KT will benefit Wallace to increase his scoring.

Phoenix will get Okafor for two years before they have to pay big money for him. He can rebound and defend the post. Knight stinks, but can play some minutes off the bench. #8 can still land CONLEY!!!!!

Also, if Amare continues this "I'm on my own agenda thing", we can keep Okafor and trade Amare...



can another else tell that I am bored and just looking to play around with the trade machine...

 

[TucsonDevil]

I don't like the Gasol/Stoudemire pairing; the way they operate is too similar. For me that's a much bigger conflict than Garnett/Stoudemire would be.

I like Gasol's length... I don't see him clogging the lane, but playing outside and looking for the offensive board. When Amare sits with foul trouble and/or technicals fouls, Gasol can then move lower. On defense, I think this is a great addition.

 

[slinslin]

Pau Gasol wouldn't be bad but I would not want to give up Marion and #4 for him.

And compared to KG, Garnett basically does everything Gasol does only better and more.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Pau Gasol wouldn't be bad but I would not want to give up Marion and #4 for him.

And compared to KG, Garnett basically does everything Gasol does only better and more.

I didn't suggest we also get rid of #4... nope, just Marion for Gasol and Rudy Gay. If that isn't enough, then throw in Banks and/or #24. We keep #4 in my proposed scenario.

 

[NastyOne]

I didn't suggest we also get rid of #4... nope, just Marion for Gasol and Rudy Gay. If that isn't enough, then throw in Banks and/or #24. We keep #4 in my proposed scenario.

We wouldnt get Gasol straightup for Marion, much less them also giving us Rudy Gay for free since Banks and #24 have little to no value lol

Why does anyone even want another soft player like Gasol after watching this years team in the playoffs?

 

[cly2tw]

Now everybody is talking about KG to Suns trade, we might also consider a bigger one.

KG + Davis + Hassell + Minn's future 1st rounder

for Marion + Diaw + Banks + Pike + Alt pick


With trading away KG, Wolves want to rebuild with the picks and Marion + Diaw. With KG on board, we don't really need Diaw that much. And Hassell is someone who can gurad Josh Howard and even Parker better than Bell could. With Kurt back up both Amare and KG, Suns rule!

 

[HooverDam]

Now everybody is talking about KG to Suns trade, we might also consider a bigger one.

KG + Davis + Hassell + Minn's future 1st rounder

for Marion + Diaw + Banks + Pike + Alt pick


With trading away KG, Wolves want to rebuild with the picks and Marion + Diaw. With KG on board, we don't really need Diaw that much. And Hassell is someone who can gurad Josh Howard and even Parker better than Bell could. With Kurt back up both Amare and KG, Suns rule!

This is a joke proposition, right?