The Official Trade Idea Thread

[dodie53]

the suns can add the remaining 2 picks, rose and burke..
=)

 

[cly2tw]

This is a joke proposition, right?

You mean the Wolves would laugh off on this proposal? Too ridiculous in favor of the Suns?

 

[TucsonDevil]

We wouldnt get Gasol straightup for Marion, much less them also giving us Rudy Gay for free since Banks and #24 have little to no value lol

Why does anyone even want another soft player like Gasol after watching this years team in the playoffs?

IF Memphis lands the #1 and Greg Oden, they would be willing to let Pau Gasol go for 'slightly less than face value' in favor of perimeter strength defense and scoring. Marion can give them exactly that - and he helps in rebounding, block shots, and is a 3x All-Star. Banks can be sent to back up Damon Stoudamire, and if needed then another late first round pick. This is a decent deal from the perspective of Memphis.

From the Suns perspective, Gasol would be #3 on the pole, and only the 'go-to-guy' scoring when the game slowed down to snails pace (playoffs, 4th quarter) and Amare is out of the game. Besides playing that role, Gasol can still rebound well, provide defense presence in the paint against slashers and scorers in our conference (Kobe, Tony Parker, Manu, AI, McGrady). In the playoffs, Gasol can hit the 10-15 footer to open up the lane a bit.. and who on the Spurs can guard Gasol and Amare? They only have one Tim Duncan.

 

[elindholm]

The Wolves don't want Diaw. If the Suns want to make a move for Garnett, it's Marion, Barbosa, and the Atlanta pick. If they don't get the Atlanta pick, forget it. If they won't include Barbosa, forget it.

The Wolves don't want Diaw.

 

[slinslin]

Teams that don't have a starting PF will want Diaw I am pretty sure of that especially when they don't have a good playmake in the backcourt.

 

[sharkman]

Teams that don't have a starting PF will want Diaw I am pretty sure of that especially when they don't have a good playmake in the backcourt.

At $9mil per year, Diaw is no longer a trade asset. While teams may have been intrigued by his potential and versatility...it's not worth $9million for the next 5 years...unless we take a bad contract back.

The NBA is no longer just about whether a player can play...the salary cap demands that a player can play to his contract.

 

[Ollie]

Assuming Memphis picks 1st and therefore wants to get rid of Gasol:

Gasol + Swift + Lowry for Marion + Banks + Jones + the Cleveland pick works under the cap.

Swift is a decent defender and rebounder and has only two years left on his contract.

Lowry would be a nice 2nd string point guard, assuming his wrist is healed.

 

[elindholm]

At $9mil per year, Diaw is no longer a trade asset. While teams may have been intrigued by his potential and versatility...it's not worth $9million for the next 5 years...unless we take a bad contract back.

That is correct. Diaw has substantial negative trade value right now. His showing in the playoffs -- or, more accurately, lack of showing -- has made the situation even worse.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Assuming Memphis picks 1st and therefore wants to get rid of Gasol:

Gasol + Swift + Lowry for Marion + Banks + Jones + the Cleveland pick works under the cap.

Swift is a decent defender and rebounder and has only two years left on his contract.

Lowry would be a nice 2nd string point guard, assuming his wrist is healed.

I don't think that the Cleveland pick is enough. We'd have to throw in the ATL pick, and then the deal doesn't really work for me.

 

[Ollie]

Actually I was thinking of any combination of our picks (including future ones) excepted the Atlanta pick if we're fortunate enough to have it.

But I don't know how much the Grizzlies valuates Lowry and I know neither if their management think he'll be able to start next year.

I'm pretty sure they'd like to get rid of Swift and Gasol if they get Oden and Marion in return, though.

 

[elindholm]

I'm pretty sure they'd like to get rid of Swift and Gasol if they get Oden and Marion in return, though.

But they aren't getting Oden "in return." They'd have him either way.

 

[jlove]

If I were a team and wanted to get Marion from the Suns, I would look long and hard at trying to get Diaw with him. Especially if the team doesn't have a low post presence. Look at last year when the Suns didn't have that low post presence (Amare). Diaw was spectacular, especially with Marion with him. The major reason for Diaw's lack of production this year was he had divert a lot of what he did last year because of Amare this year. If Amare isn't here this year, Diaw shows the same progress he did last year. Period!!! However, with that in mind, if the Suns are looking at shipping Marion out and want to package him with Diaw, they will have to wait until after July 1st, that's when Diaw's full contract extension comes into play. If they do something like packaging the two of them with draft picks it will have to be under the table deal prior to the draft or on draft day.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I might be crazy but I freakin' love this trade if KG doesn't come:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=510~497~847&teams=12~21~21

This is how I would do the total trade:

Shawn Marion
Salary: $15,070,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 17.5 REB: 9.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 20.87

+ 24th
+ 29th pick

For

Tim Thomas
Salary: $5,215,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 11.0 REB: 5.0 AST: 2.3 PER: 13.67

Corey Maggette
Salary: $7,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 16.9 REB: 5.9 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.67

+14th pick

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I mean think about it, marion is an allstar and along with brand (if the clips think they can coexist) the clippers are a monster. They also trade Maggette who it seems they want to get rid of, and all the clippers fans pissed at Tim Thomas for god knows what reason can watch him walk. They get a decent draft pick and a rather poo draft pick to take a chance on.

Only thing that really hurts the clips is giving up the 14th, but for marion I think they would do it, it is too bad because if the clips had say the 18th-20th pick then I would still easily take that pick instead for the trade so it had a perfect chance of going down.

Obviously for the suns this is awesome in everything except at maybe some defense and possibly rebounding (but both of those are big if's the defense of maggette might not be much off of marions horrid defense on parker, and the rebounding of maggette + tim thomas actually has a chance at being BETTER then just marion). Maggette is a great scorer and has a crisp midrange jumpshot (which we really need) and some nice slashing. Seems great at getting to the FT line also which with his slashing might give us some speck of respect from the refs when we take it to the hole more often (since marion just cuts or backdoors = no calls).

Then we get Tim Thomas back and actually have something at SF again, decent rebounding and a hot hand for 3's during the playoffs which we desperately needed vs the spurs when they actually out-bombed us for 3 (WTF).

Lastly, the sexy #14 pick, unfortunatley this might be the only thing that would stop the clippers doing this trade although passing up marion because of a #14 pick would be kind of stupid when they missed the playoffs imho.

Oh and we also save about 3 million off the payroll, and the clippers have a very small total payroll so an extra 3 million on their payroll is chump change.

 

[elindholm]

I could see both teams doing that if D'Antoni weren't so obsessed with Marion, but unfortunately he seems to consider him a top-10 player and probably won't settle for anything less in return.

I like the idea, though.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I love that trade, if KG doesn't come which is the most likely possibility that would be trade #2 I would do by a longshot over anything else I have seen.

What makes it the best is that the clippers and fans would really want to do that trade, they are pissed at maggette and thomas bigtime and I would doubt they think a #14 pick would get them over any kind of big barrier.

But wag Shawn Marion in their faces and I bet they couldn't resist at least giving it a try for what they believe is chump change in Maggette + Thomas.

*edit: If only I had a non-free email I could bring this over to the clips board at realgm or somewhere more universal for nba fans and see what they think, gonna try and get registered there somehow.

 

[jlove]

That trade actually doesn't sound all that bad for either team. That way the Suns keep the Atlanta pick (Yi hopefully), AND move up from 24 & 29 to 14 to grab Acie Law. They could possibly trun around and trade Banks, JJ and #14 to move down and pick up another player and a lower draft pick to get someone like Crittendon (who I'd prefer over anyone not named Conley to back-up Nash).

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I would do that trade! With the early pick (assuming we actually get it), pick the best big guy on the board (Horford preferrably, IMO). At #14, pick either a PG (Crittendon preferrably, IMO) or a swing (Thornton preferrably, IMO).

If we get a swing with the #14, trade somehow, someway to get a PG (could James Jones get us Rodriguez or Calderon?). Could Diaw get us a PG somehow?

If we get a PG with the #14, we really don't have to make any moves except maybe trade for a backup C like Hunter (for Diaw?).


Nash/Calderon/Banks
Bell/Barbosa
Magette/Thornton
Horford/Thomas/Diaw
Stoudemire/Thomas

-OR-

Nash/Crittendon/Banks
Bell/Barbosa
Magette/Jones
Horford/Thomas/Hunter
Stoudemire/Thomas

Honestly, I don't know if that is enough now that I am looking at it. I wish that we had gotten Tyson Chicken last year (I was one of the few on here pimping him for this team). He'd be a GREAT addition to this team, but too bad Marion won't get him for us....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Going a bit sideways here, but think of a trade for Tyson Chicken....

Marion/Diaw for Chicken (don't know if it works)

This allows us to either snag Yi or drop back (around #8-#10 to draft Thornton or Conley) and unload Banks and maybe pick up a role player....

Nash/Role player/Banks
Bell/Barbosa
Thornton/Jones
Stoudemire/Splitter
Chicken/Thomas

That's better....

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Tyson is a man beast. I doubt that the Hornets would trade him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'd guess we'd see if the beef between Amare and Tyson really does exist.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I know. That ship has sailed. I actually wanted to see the Suns trade Marion for Chicken/Nocioni or Deng, or something like that, when Chicken's value wasn't near where it is now. I got shot down, but how great would it have been to have Chicken against the Spurs?

 

[AsUdUdE]

If we don't get ATL pick today, i would do the following :

Suns Trade:
Marion
Banks
ATL pick next year

Suns Recieve:
KG

I WOULD NOT trade Amare, or the #4-6 pick in the draft this year!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If we don't get ATL pick today, i would do the following :

Suns Trade:
Marion
Banks
ATL pick next year

Suns Recieve:
KG

I WOULD NOT trade Amare, or the #4-6 pick in the draft this year!!

You still have to come up with a big salary. You would have to throw in Diaw or Thomas in order to get the deal done.

 

[HooverDam]

You mean the Wolves would laugh off on this proposal? Too ridiculous in favor of the Suns?

KG + Davis + Hassell + Minn's future 1st rounder

for Marion + Diaw + Banks + Pike + Alt pick


Thats insanely in favor of Phoenix, Minny would never do that. They trade away the face of their franchise, their 2nd best player, a good role player, AND a future 1st rounder? To get back an All Star role player, a possible one hit wonder in Diaw, 2 junk filler players, and a high pick? Not going to happen.

 

[slinslin]

I always liked Chandler I would have said Marion for Chandler and Mason but then found out Desmond Mason is a FA, wouldn't be the worst guy to look at if we would use the MLE.

Marion, Banks, #24 #29 for Chander, Bobby Jackson and #13.

Draft maybe Yi at #4 and Thornton at #13.

Chandler/Diaw
Amare/Yi
Hill/Thornton
Bell/Barbosa
Nash/Jackson

Mmm not that bad. Hornets probably wouldn't do it though.

Looking back the Suns missed an opportunity when the Bulls traded Chandler for PJ Brown and Jr Smith (who they traded for 2nd rounder or sth).
We probably could have gotten him for Kurt Thomas, James Jones and a pick or something like that at that point.