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I think a 6-10 or 7-9 season will be the results this year.
Pros
Hodgins at FB
Dexter Jackson at FS
O-Line and O-line depth
Solid TE and solid depth
Many young WRs
Solid RBs
Vets for helping Special team help
LBs and Linebacker Depth
Healthy Starks at CB
Improving Adrian Wilson.

Cons
Unproven Pass Rushers
No young DTs have become a Solid Run Stuffing Force inside yet.
Unproven Depth with speed behind Starks and Barrett at CB.
Unproven rookie WRs
Probably youngest team in NFL along with the Ravens.

Inconsistent kicking from Gramatica.


IMHO the defensive line holds the key.If they can stop the run and put some pressure on the opposing QB it will be a positive step.
 

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I'm an eternal optomist, with 15 years of season tickets. Yes, I'll be there every game this year, and in the future, BUT...

I believe we have totally gutted this team to build for the new stadium in 2006. I also will continue to believe that we gutted the team because we are using salary cap money for the Cardinals contribution to the new stadium. I don't blame the Bidwills for this, I don't think they had any other choice, since they have no revenue stream in the venue they play in. The venue IS the #1 problem we have. It is the ROOT of the fan problem, the free agent problem, the PERCEPTION problem. I'm all in favor of hoping for the best, but in no way did we improve our team over last year.

We dumped all of our skill position players, and replaced them with unproven rookies, and castoffs from other teams. Emmitt as a sales tool was a mistake, and didn't work. Our entire roster consists of unproven, mostly untested players. There could be some future stars on the roster, we'll see. We are fielding an entire team of backups this year.

The draft was a huge disappointment. These are the players we will enter the new stadium with, three years from now, and while I understand the two early reciever picks, and agree that Sully can work wonders, they'll kill us this year, and we lost out on a premire pass rusher because we underestimated the demand. No defense equals no wins, no matter how good our ground game is.

Jeff Blake seems like a positive influence at this time. Keep in mind, we play his old division foes that know him best in 4 out of 5 games around the bye week. I expect Josh McCown to be playing by then, Jakes durabilty has spoiled Cardinial fans in recent years, and It'll be interesting to see how tough Blake is, when the going gets tough.

Positives? I'm so damn glad to be done with all these players that didn't want to be here, refused to play for us, and poisoned the attitudes of the other players. We had a bunch. They're GONE! I'd rather watch these players we now have, even though I realize it'll take some time to see what we really have here. (Three years)

Emmitt can help Marcell carry the load, since we'll need a ground game to be competitive at all, and Marcell will get less wear and tear. Hodgins was our best free agent pick up, the rest were just fillers on the roster.

This year, I think 3 wins is about right, if your going to gut your team, might as well do it in a year when you have the easiest schedule in the league. BUT...wouldn't it be cool if we get lucky and win 8 games this year? And won't it be cool to enter the new era three years from now, with a real homegrown team of good players, perhaps 1 or 2 great players, and a sold out stadium? That would be so sweet, I'm willing to wait for it.
 

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Originally posted by Lex
game this year, and in the future, BUT...

I believe we have totally gutted this team to build for the new stadium in 2006. I also will continue to believe that we gutted the team because we are using salary cap money for the Cardinals contribution to the new stadium.

here's where you and I always get in trouble Lex. Can you explain why you believe this?

Keep in mind the cap is not some arbitrary pot of money teams can spend at their whim. The NFL has a tv contract, a specific % of that contract goes to NFL salary and is divided up EVENLY between all the NFL teams.

That is the salary cap, THere is not a single team in the NFL that can't afford to pay it's SALARIES without using the owners money it ALL comes from the tv money. Where things vary is signing bonuses and bells and whistles.

The cap money is for the salaries, Bidwill can not just choose to pocket that money to build himself a stadium unless my understanding of this is completely wrong?
 

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You understand the salary cap just fine Russ.

Teams aren't required to spend 100% of the cap, if they were, I'd like to know how we'll be able to spend 12 million dollars in the next two months. We can however manipulate the cap numbers, while actually saving hard money. I'm sure you can find the hard money numbers each team spends every year, there is a big margin from the top to bottom. If nothing else, we'll resign current players still under contract, thus paying salaries and signing bonuses now, instead of in the future, when the stadium money comes due. All the bells and whistles, IF achieved, count towards the cap.

Example: we sign a player for 300 grand a year for 5 years, with a 10 million dollar signing bonus. We write him a check for 10.3 million dollars right now, hard cash, even though his cap number is only 2.3 million per year. In years 2-5, his cap number is still 2.3 million, but we only write him a check for 3 hundred grand per year.

The killer for the Cards, is the lack of any revenue besides the TV money. We need to spend on scouts, coaches, and perks for the players, and somehow, find the dough for the stadium.

There was an interesting article on Kyle Turley, and what he said went on in New Orleans, concerning how the owner spent the TV money.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
here's where you and I always get in trouble Lex. Can you explain why you believe this?

Keep in mind the cap is not some arbitrary pot of money teams can spend at their whim. The NFL has a tv contract, a specific % of that contract goes to NFL salary and is divided up EVENLY between all the NFL teams.

That is the salary cap, THere is not a single team in the NFL that can't afford to pay it's SALARIES without using the owners money it ALL comes from the tv money. Where things vary is signing bonuses and bells and whistles.

The cap money is for the salaries, Bidwill can not just choose to pocket that money to build himself a stadium unless my understanding of this is completely wrong?

The question is, what happens to the amount of the cap that goes unused. Say for instance the cap this year is $70 million and the Cards spend $65 million of it. Where does the $5 million go? Back to the league? In Bidwills pocket?
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
The question is, what happens to the amount of the cap that goes unused. Say for instance the cap this year is $70 million and the Cards spend $65 million of it. Where does the $5 million go? Back to the league? In Bidwills pocket?

I thought I read something that someone posted that stated that they must distribute it amongst the players since it was meant for salaries???
 

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Russ, ditto. Was gonna post the same.

You have absolutly zero evidence to support as hihgly speculative theory. In fact all the evidence idicates you are dead wrong LEx.

RG spent some considerable effort trying to sign a couple more high $$ FA and did not succeed. If he had there would be far less $$ left.

I am also concerned about the remaining $$ as I suspect is RG, but this gives us a huge cap management opportunity. We can sign players to extended deals and still take no long term cap hits from SB.
 

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Okay here it goes:
For the UPCOMING season

Positives:

NUMERO UNO AND THE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION POSITIVE ON THE TEAM . . . NO MORE JAKE!

I can't tell you how many games last year deterioriated into me hoping Jake would fail, so the front office would finally have no choice but to boot his sorry ass outta town. And this was after I thought he had turned a corner the year previous to that. But Jake destroyed this team - some may say he never let his picks get to him and he always hung his head up, but you know what - YOU SHOULD BE DISSAPOINTED WHEN YOU SCREW UP AS MUCH AS HIM , and then you should do everything in your power to become better. Everything starts at the top and with Jake gone, I am psyched to finally see our offense on the field with a new leader.

2) Jeff Blake - my favorite pick up of the off-season. The guy throws the prettiest long ball in the entire NFL, and he has made some pretty unknown guys look very good in the past. Also comes in with a chip on his shoulder which I like.

3) The secondary - If this squad had a monster pass rush, they'd probably by the end of the season be regarded as one of the top units in the NFL. Individually, I don't we've ever had this much youth and talent in our starting back field and that's pretty exciting.

4) Freddie Jones - Loved him as a Charger. Love teams that can throw to the TE, because if you can get it, a good TE is a nightmarish match-up for defenses. Blake has always used the TE - made Tony McGee a Pro Bowler in Cincy if I'm not mistaken, and after he left, when was the last time you heard about him?

5) O-line: The hope that this chronically inured under perfroming line will finally become dominant and smash people six feet under. Lots of concerns here as well, but their potential is exciting.

6) Depth - The Belly of the team has been addressed in certain areas - O-line, RB (although this is a psotion of contention in my cons later), LBs - actually when I think about, maybe I'm not so sure about this one and the problems in saying we have depth will come out later in the cons.

Cons:

1) D-Line: Until this unit ACTUALLY shows me something, I will not and cannot believe the weakest part of our team has been addressed - Drafting a guy that rated out as a 2nd or 3rd pick into the starting lineup along side another group of guys that got their asses collectively handed to them all season long (well the last ten games) doesn't signal to me that we "upgraded" the pass rush. People here say they will be happy if we get ten more sacks raising the overall level to 30 sacks for the season. 30 sacks is a joke as well - an extra .5 sacks a game isn't gonna make up for the two touchdown drubbings this team took last season.

2) WR - I love all these potential, but I am a believer that potential is a word that signifies something for the FUTURE. WR has shown to be obne of the hardest positions to get accustomed to in the NFL - unless of course you are Randy Moss and personally, I don't care how good a teacher Coach Sullivan is, and considering his mind should be on matching an offense to his personel (get to this later), these guys aren't going to get the attention from HIM that they need - certainly not to make a big enough impact this season IMO.

3) The health of our O-line. None of these guys apparently are healthy right now. All of them have had health problems throughout their careers (meaning last year and before). We have never seen them be as good as we hope they can be, and well, knowing our history and apparent curse, I'll believe it when I see it.

4) RB - The way I see it, Emmitt Smith is an albatross on this team. One , the guy 34 years old. When was the last time a 34 year old RB had a great season? Two, what kind of message does this send to Marcel Shipp. RB is not a position where players learn on the job, especially a year after they have proven themselves worthy of starting material and gained a new contract. Also what fans doe you see being added to our fan base. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't season ticket sales go down again from last season. Do you think the casual fan, who never went to Card game before are going to now to see a RB three years outside of his prime? I don't.

5) Coaching philosophy - Jerry Sullivan needs to figure out what kind of team this is gonna be. It appears that it is built to be a smash mouth team, which can spread the field (hopefully with it's WRs), but a wide open offense, with a lumbering line, an aging RB, and guys who not only have to come out of college and get adjusted to the NFL, but also get adjusted to a Offense that will hpefully be as Dynamic as what the Rams had is a pretty tall order.

The fact that Mean Joe Greene and Larry Marmie are still around is joke to me as well. How many years have these guys had to do something with the talent given to them. Yes I know that talent isn't or hasn't been very good, but this team always seems to be on their heels. I have never seen any of our D-Lineman get better over time. KVB came out like a lion, got hurt, and played vailantly last year, but I never saw any growth in his game. And I don't acre if Wendell Bryant was out all offseason - a coach should be able to get someone with his talents at least to make some impact by the end of the season.

And Coach Mac - a great rah, rah guy. And that's not a negative. His passion for the game is infectious, and maybe with a group this young and inexperienced, they can buy all that stuff hook line and sinker. Unfortunately, I haven't seen a lot behind the passion in the way of game smarts. I knew we were going to lose last year in Game 1 v. Washington when we were up at half because Spurrier would make adjustments on us, and we would sit tight. Sure enough. we got blizted to hell in the third quarter and the game was put out of reach. His decision not to make adjustments against a one-legged Donovan McNabb has been gone over to death here - but my biggest concern came late in the season against St. Louis - a game I believe Mac personally lost. His call to run the ball on 3 and sixth, when all you needed was a first down to win the game coming on the heels of the two minute warning was a cowardly and Joe Bugl like move. Earlier in the season, the Saints were in the same position, with their back-up QB at center vs Tampa and the coach knew that one, with the two minute warning, Tampa wouldn't need to call timeout and two that if they got, it's the game. They passed and got it, we ran off tackle and got 2 yards. Then his clock management at the end was pitiful.

There has never been a game where I though Mac outcoached another team - save one - when he willed us to victory over Washington the week before the stadium vote. We have heard his proclamations that this year we will attack too often and have yet to see it.

6) Our Depth - This is a bit of an oxymoron. To say we have dpeth, implies that we have starters to play in front of them. Our D-line is a sieve, AND there is no depth there. At RB there is good depth, but the WRONG GUY IS STARTING AND I BELIEVE WILL GET A MAJORITY OF THE CARRIES. WR - yeah we have a lot of guys ther, but not on of them has proven one damn thing in this game. In the d-backfield, we have four solid starters, but IMO nothing behind them. At QB, we have Blake, then two guys who are in their second years (now this could be a good thing - I mean Aaron Brooks was the back-up with no experience when Blake played in NO and that has turned out pretty well.

7) The additions made to the team - My biggest fear is that each one of these additions is directly related to another position on the field. If our WRs can't adjust fast enough, the offense is screwed and Jeff Blake and Hodgins won't be able to make contributions which I think they could. Look at the Cowboys the year after their 3rd Super Bowl, when Michael Irvin was suspended the first four game - Behind a great O-Line that had won Super Bowls, Emmit had nowhere to run - and that was with recievers along with Irvin who were Super Bowl Champions. Our addition of Jackson's great, but if ther's no pass rush, he can't cover for ten minutes.

8) I think it's sweking the fact to say this was a five win team last year. Bottom line for me and the way I look at us going into this season is that we finished 1-9 and were pathetic, to the point of absurdity, doing so. That is the team we are upgrading. And that is what tempers my enthusiasm the most. Especially considering that you can play the injury card - but Boston's gone regardless - can't point to that injury - our O-Line still isn't healthy and Gilmore still isn't fully recovered. On defense, it's not like the guys we have now didn't play last year during that horrid stretch at the end of the year - they were all in there.

As far as the coming out of nowhere factor, the bottom line is this - with each one of the teams who Suprised the league, you can look back at them and see some traces of what was going to make them Great. The Rams got Faulk, already had Bruce (who had put up a 1700 yard season two yars prior), already had Orlando Pace, drafted a WR at #6 in the draft who was getting comparisons to Jerry Rice, as well as going out and getting the best QB on the Market in Trent Green. Everyone thought that team would be improved from the prior year - and when Green went down, the unexpected happened and Kurt Warner became a star.

With the Pats - they still had a lot of core guys that were on playoff teams from years previous - but let;s not id ourselves - that was one of the great coaching jobs in the history of the NFL - Bellicheck is a mastermind, was with the Giants, was with the Pats with Parcells and was with the Jets - Mac has never been recognized as such.

With the Ravens - they were pegged as one of the supirse teasm, ebacuse they went 8-8 the year before, drafted Jamal Lewis, had a top five defense they year before the won the Super Bowl and they were geeked and tuned up for their final run - not to mention the amount of first rounders who actually developed on that team - our talent level just ain't there. In addition, BIllick, while a smug f*ck, is a brilliant football mind. He created one of the greatest offenses in NFL History as well as one of the greatest Defenses.

I just don't see Mac in the same light as those coaches for one and two our Faulk is Emmit Smith, and our Bruce is Brian Gillmore.

Hopefully, you all in a couple years will be able to add the Cards to the list I just made above, but for me I'll believe it when I see it. 6-10, possibly 4-12, high end 8-8.
 
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What makes you think Gilmore is not fully recovered ? He was practiing fine at mini camp.

As for the running back situation it seems to me there are two possibilites both are good.

a) Emmit has a pro bowl year and we all party in the playoffs
b) Emmit is well past his prime and we have the best backup RB in the NFL and an additional RB coach. Shipp then effectivly is the startre regardless of any official position.
 

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Originally posted by nidan
What makes you think Gilmore is not fully recovered ? He was practiing fine at mini camp.

As for the running back situation it seems to me there are two possibilites both are good.

a) Emmit has a pro bowl year and we all party in the playoffs
b) Emmit is well past his prime and we have the best backup RB in the NFL and an additional RB coach. Shipp then

The thing that makes me leery of the RB situation is that Mac seems loyal to a fault - how many chances did Jones get, even when Pittman and Shipp were clearly outplaying him? When was Jake ever challenged by Mac because of his poor play?
 

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This team will have to be special

in order to win 8 games....

I like the Secondary hands down the addition of Dexter Jackson will do nothing but strengthen an already solid group. Jackson will be tough enough to play in the box and will be quick enough to drop back in wide open zones- this luxury will play big for Mac's schemes this year.

DL thumbs down I can't get into talent or lack there of and I don't ever give creedence to a rookie until he is proven so Pace will have to show me alot-- this will be a problem again, hopefully they can stop the run.

Offensive Line- best in the business at tackle and guard but health will be the key factor here. Shelton will play poorly this year unless he settles on a new contract- contract years are tough on this team!

QB- I like Blake- he is an upgrade in the consistency department in my opinion. We need a back-up

RB- Shipp will learn from Emmitt - I agree when someone said this is the best RB's we have had in AZ - Hodgins will solidify the running game. Faulk in STL is going to miss this guy a bunch.

Sorry, that DLine is a problem I can't see this team leaning too far over 8-8 if at that. I think that if we get some lucky breaks early in the year we could make hay only if our WR core becomes what everyone is talking about and we stay healthy. Depth has always been a weakness on Bidwellian teams.
 

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Re: This team will have to be special

Originally posted by CoachBigDog
in order to win 8 games....

This team will have to be special.


With the parity in the NFL today, I don't think that's the case. That's why it's the best league going. If a thoroughly mediocre talent Chicago Bears team can go 13-3 with a stiff like Jim Miller as their starting QB, anything can happen.
 

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Re: Re: This team will have to be special

Originally posted by ajcardfan
With the parity in the NFL today, I don't think that's the case. That's why it's the best league going. If a thoroughly mediocre talent Chicago Bears team can go 13-3 with a stiff like Jim Miller as their starting QB, anything can happen.


A dominating defense and power running game might have had something to do with that. The Cards could have the latter, which, incidentally, is not as meaningful as the former.
 

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I think every year we have an offseason full of unknowns and this year is no different. It remains to be seen how well we did when we end up weighing our losses and additions.

My concerns:

1. Pass Rush - I just don't see much improvement here. Calvin Pace may surprise us but I suspect he'll be a year away from being a significant impact. Vanden Bosch is a below average NFL starter and will probably never top 5-7 sacks in his career. Bryant needs to prove he can step up and it remains to be seen what kind of pass rush our LBs will be able to generate because they haven't generated much in the past couple of years.

2. Depth at CB - I like Starks and Barrett and think if concern #1 was addressed they'd look pretty darned good. After them I have no faith, Hill stinks, Stone was a wasted pick and Rhinehart just doesn't have it. We can't be counting on an UDRFA to come in and be the answer at nickel back--we could use some veteran depth but unfortunately right now its just not out there to be signed.

3. Offensive Line - Cite health or cite underachievement either way its an issue. The underachievement may be due to the fact that they rarely ever put together consecutive games playing alongside the same player and thus can't get that chemistry going either way this has to be an issue.

4. Wide Receiver - Sure there are now a ton of WRs on the roster but none of them have proven anything. Inexperience at WR is not something that can be overlooked. I know there are a lot of Kasper fans but I am not one of them. If he is one of our top 4 WRs this season I think we have some serious issues with talent.

5. Depth at QB - I hope McCown and Parsons become quality NFL QBs--even if just back-ups but they aren't there yet. If Blake goes down there will be a lot of bad plays from the QB position--the kinds of stuff we saw from that idiot Plummer(and probably worse) only this time they at least have inexperience as an excuse.

6. Coaching - I've never been a Dave McGinnis fan, he is all loud and "rah rah" but hasn't proven anything either as a head coach or a coordinator, his defenses consitently finish in the lower third of the NFL every year. Great personality but questionable coach.

7. Mismanagement - Despite what is being said I still say losing our most talented player in David Boston with no compensation was the worst move any team has made this offseason. Graves was taken on draft day by New Orleans and then again he counted too heavily on June 1st. Then there was the Emmit Smith signing which did not address an area of big need. Graves has done little to impress me so far.

Positives.

1 - Starting QB - We finally have a QB who knows how to take care of the football. Blake is no more than a 2 year stop gap in my opinion but thats just due to his age but he'll give us the best QB play we have seen in AZ in a long time.

2 - RB Depth - Although I did not agree with the Smith signing I do see that it makes the RB position one with great depth and makes it the obvious team strength.

3 - Starting Safeties - I think Wilson and Jackson will be an outstanding pair of safeties. I was never a Lassiter fan and think Jackson will be a more consistent player.

This year to me is a developmental year. We'll see our young guys especially at WR and DE get plenty of game experience and we should see the results of it next year. We'll win no more than 7 games but hopefully we end the season with some hope for next year.

Best case scenario - 7 - 9
Likely record - 5 - 11
Worst Case - 3 - 13

Win or lose I will still remain a fan but this team is just not talented enough at some key areas, not deep enough in others and not experienced enough in yet more places.
 

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The one thing I desperately hope to see this year is accountability at all levels. I want to see these players being responsible for what they are doing and stop with the excuses. It needs to be production or see ya and I believe that it all starts with most UNDERACHIEVING unit in football, THE ARIZONA CARDINALS OFFENSIVE LINE.

I see this listed as a strength in so many posts and I wonder is it really? This paper juggernaught hasn't produced a 1,000 yard rusher since 1999, when most of them weren't even here. I know that we haven't had the most prolific of runningbacks but when do we stop making excuses for this unit? None of these guys can stay healthy which has hurt our whole offense. This unit is supposed to be the foundation of our offense and I haven't seen it. Clement is a limited right tackle and I think that everyone will agree on it. Yes he is good, but will he dominate? Shelton has been Mr. Inconnsistent and makes me shake my head in wonder. Will he ever gives us confidence against teams best defensive ends or will he get his jock handed to him by Chiki Okeafer? Kendell is a great player but the injuries are starting to become redundent. Finally, Davis is perhaps our best lineman and he is at guard. Not only that but I need him to destroy defensive lineman every play. Yes he makes jaw dropping blocks but he is supposed to. We should never be stopped for a loss behind this man.

I worry about this unit. Will they ever produce? On paper they look to be one of the best in football, yet when have we really seen it. I believe that our season will directly reflect the success or failure of this group.
 

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Concerns:
1. QB Depth--If Blake goes down, the Cards are done.
2. Pass Rush--Non-existent until proven otherwise.
3. O-Line Health--Couldn't keep the five starters on the field together last year, and we saw the results.

Strengths:
1. Starting QB--An upgrade over Plummer in almost every way.
2. RB Depth--Two backs with first-team ability. Scobey and Anderson have some talent, too.
3. Starting DBs--The four best starters, as a group, this team has had in some time. Will play as well as the pass rush lets them.

Prediction: Let's look at the schedule and make some assumptions, shall we?

The Cardinals have one of the easiest schedules in the NFL, courtesy of their own last-place finish. That's the good news.

The bad news is that the worst teams on that schedule--Detroit, Cincinnati and Dallas--have made coaching changes that figure to revitalize those franchises. I'll predict that Mariucci, Lewis and Parcells won't turn things around that fast. Three wins.

Until I see evidence otherwise, I'll assume the Cards still can't pressure opposing QBs. Solid DBs or not, good passing offenses are gonna eat 'em alive. Green Bay here, Rams and 49ers home and away. Five losses.

Split with Seattle, who'll wilt here on 9/14. One and one.

Did you know the Ravens defense was only ranked 22nd, last year? And the Cards took their leading passer. One win at home, on 10/12.

No way the Cards win away games in November at Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Two losses.

By 11/30, Kordell Stewart will have crashed-and-burned in Chicago, and the Bears will be giving Rex Grossman on-the-job training. One road win, in the Cards' original hometown.

In December, Carolina and the Vikings are both beatable here. The Cards will lose to one or the other. Probably the Vikings. One and one.

Do the math, and it adds up to 7-9. That's assuming the following: The Cards (1) have a manageable number of injuries, especially on the o-line; (2) they put enough of a passing offense together to make the running game go; and (3) Blake stays healthy. One or more of those things doesn't happen, and it's 5-11, easy. (Most likely additional losses are at home, to Baltimore and Carolina.)

Remember, this is all complete guesswork at this stage. Everyone who predicted that the Cards would be 4-2 and the Rams 1-5 after six weeks last season, raise your hand.

WC
 

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Originally posted by Wild Card


The bad news is that the worst teams on that schedule--Detroit, Cincinnati and Dallas--have made coaching changes that figure to revitalize those franchises. I'll predict that Mariucci, Lewis and Parcells won't turn things around that fast. Three wins.

WC

You're locking down three wins, two road games against some of the best minds in football? This from a team that basically ended the season winning one of their last nine games with that ONE game coming AT HOME versus those same hapless Lions (who now have a coach who knows what to do after his team wins a coin flip).

Parcells is a great coach hands down and the Dallas game - again, an overtime win AT HOME against a pathetic club that should have beaten us in regulation will lose at home even though additions were made to that team (not great ones, but I would take Parcells over every free agent we brought in)? Yeah, I don't buy that one either - we haven;t won in Dallas since 1998, but that one is a lock?

The Bengals - well I won';t give that one to you, but jesus they better not lose at yhome to that sh*t-ass team. I won't give Marvin Lewis that much respect yet - after all hius defense last year was hardly impressive.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
You're locking down three wins, two road games against some of the best minds in football?

CB:

Nope. I'm speculating wildly, just like everyone else here. I just put game results behind *my* numbers. This predictions thing is entertaining, but way premature.

Teams haven't opened training camp, let alone played through the preseason. Players haven't practiced in pads yet. There haven't been any season-ending injuries. Free agents are still being signed to fill holes. And so on.

Want me to defend my coin-flips against Detroit, Dallas and Cincinnati? O.K. Mariucci, Parcells and Lewis may well be among "the best minds in football," but they're not miracle workers. Change takes time, and the Cards get the Lions Week #1, and the Cowboys 10/05. I think both of those teams will still stink, and that means a (presumably) healthy Cards team has a chance, even on the road.

Cincinnati has longer to improve (11/02), but Carson Palmer won't contribute this year and I like our chances at home against Jon Kitna. Besides, Blake swept the Bengals last season; that should count for something, right?

Here's a challenge for those of you who predicted a .500 season or better. Tell us who the Cards are going to beat. Specifically.

After all, if the Cardinals don't have a chance against three teams with ten combined wins last year--coaching changes or not--it's gonna be a lo-o-ong season.

WC
 

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Originally posted by Wild Card
CB:

Nope. I'm speculating wildly, just like everyone else here. I just put game results behind *my* numbers. This predictions thing is entertaining, but way premature.

Teams haven't opened training camp, let alone played through the preseason. Players haven't practiced in pads yet. There haven't been any season-ending injuries. Free agents are still being signed to fill holes. And so on.

Want me to defend my coin-flips against Detroit, Dallas and Cincinnati? O.K. Mariucci, Parcells and Lewis may well be among "the best minds in football," but they're not miracle workers. Change takes time, and the Cards get the Lions Week #1, and the Cowboys 10/05. I think both of those teams will still stink, and that means a (presumably) healthy Cards team has a chance, even on the road.

Cincinnati has longer to improve (11/02), but Carson Palmer won't contribute this year and I like our chances at home against Jon Kitna. Besides, Blake swept the Bengals last season; that should count for something, right?

Here's a challenge for those of you who predicted a .500 season or better. Tell us who the Cards are going to beat. Specifically.

After all, if the Cardinals don't have a chance against three teams with ten combined wins last year--coaching changes or not--it's gonna be a lo-o-ong season.

WC
<p>Here's my take on the upcoming season. I think the one thing we need to factor in is the fact that this is a young, hungry team without the distractions from the previous season (Plummer, Boston, Jones, Lassiter, Jenkins) and proven leadership in Smith, Blake, and Jackson.

09/07 @ 1:00 pm Lions W
09/14 1:00 pm Seahawks W
09/21 1:00 pm Green Bay L
09/28 @ noon Rams L
10/05 @ noon Cowboys W
10/12 1:15 pm Ravens L
10/19 @ open
10/26 2:05 pm Niners W
11/02 2:05 pm Bengals W
11/09 @ 1:00 pm Pittsburg L
11/16 @ 1:00 pm Browns W
11/23 2:05 pm Rams W
11/30 @ noon Bears W
12/07 @ 1:05 pm Niners L
12/14 2:15 pm Panthers W
12/21 @ 1:15 pm Seahawks L
12/28 2:05 pm Vikings W


Won - Loss Record 10 - 6 This is very doable. Split the series with division teams (all wins coming at home) and beat the teams you should be able to beat. Don't forget home field advantage.
 

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Originally posted by 40yearfan
<p>Here's my take on the upcoming season...

09/07 @ 1:00 pm Lions W
09/14 1:00 pm Seahawks W
09/21 1:00 pm Green Bay L
09/28 @ noon Rams L
10/05 @ noon Cowboys W
10/12 1:15 pm Ravens L
10/19 @ open
10/26 2:05 pm Niners W
11/02 2:05 pm Bengals W
11/09 @ 1:00 pm Pittsburg L
11/16 @ 1:00 pm Browns W
11/23 2:05 pm Rams W
11/30 @ noon Bears W
12/07 @ 1:05 pm Niners L
12/14 2:15 pm Panthers W
12/21 @ 1:15 pm Seahawks L
12/28 2:05 pm Vikings W


Won - Loss Record 10 - 6 This is very doable. Split the series with division teams (all wins coming at home) and beat the teams you should be able to beat. Don't forget home field advantage.

40 Yr:

*What* home-field advantage? You're talking about the Arizona Cardinals, playing in a half-empty Sun Devil Stadium, in front of a crowd wearing more of the other guys' colors than the home team's, right?

Maybe in September, when the Cards are presumably better acclimated than their opponents to triple-digit temps. In December, though, away games in SDS for teams like Carolina and Minnesota are like spring break.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that the Cards are *capable* of splitting their division games. Search the archives, though, and tell me the last time a Cardinals team went 6-2 at home, as you've proposed.

Tell me what you find.

WC
 

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Originally posted by Wild Card
40 Yr:

*What* home-field advantage? You're talking about the Arizona Cardinals, playing in a half-empty Sun Devil Stadium, in front of a crowd wearing more of the other guys' colors than the home team's, right?

Maybe in September, when the Cards are presumably better acclimated than their opponents to triple-digit temps. In December, though, away games in SDS for teams like Carolina and Minnesota are like spring break.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that the Cards are *capable* of splitting their division games. Search the archives, though, and tell me the last time a Cardinals team went 6-2 at home, as you've proposed.

Tell me what you find.

WC

Ill chime in here.

Who cares about the past? Thats what is so great about the NFL game. ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE! Especially with parity in this league from year to year there is almost always a surprise team! this year it could be us!

Look in t hearchives prior to the Patriots SB year when was the last time a 5 win team won the SB the next year? Just goes to show you whats in the past matters exactly as much as some dirt on the bottom of my shoe!
 

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8) I think it's sweking the fact to say this was a five win team last year. Bottom line for me and the way I look at us going into this season is that we finished 1-9 and were pathetic, to the point of absurdity, doing so. That is the team we are upgrading. And that is what tempers my enthusiasm the most. Especially considering that you can play the injury card - but Boston's gone regardless - can't point to that injury - our O-Line still isn't healthy and Gilmore still isn't fully recovered. On defense, it's not like the guys we have now didn't play last year during that horrid stretch at the end of the year - they were all in there.

Boston was only a distraction last year. He contributed NOTHING to this team on the field except for the first game we Lost to Washington. In fact he actually hurt this team by being on the field with his lack of concentration last year. His dozens of dropped balls killed many a drives before he went on IR. So basically those 5 wins came with little help from Boston.

Assuming our O-Line returns healthy the Offensive side of this team is already improved from last year. Then add that Blake is better than Plummer. We actually have a Full Back that can make a block. The RB postion has been upgraded. We drafted 2 of the top rated WR's in the draft.

On the Defensive side we will be better also. Starks should finally be healthy. Jackson is an upgrade over Lassiter. More depth has been added to the LB core. Pace is better than Wakefield.

Yes when we finished the year we were pathetic. However if you looked at the starting lineup from the last game last season and compare it to the projected starting line up this year, how can you say this team hasn't been upgraded?
 

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Re: Re: Re: This team will have to be special

Originally posted by RLakin
A dominating defense and power running game might have had something to do with that. The Cards could have the latter, which, incidentally, is not as meaningful as the former.

Their defense did play very well that season, particularly over the last half of that season. But they sure caught some breaks early in that year, winning those 2 games in OT on Mike Brown INTs. In both of those games that 'dominant' defense gave up over 30 points. Even we moved the ball on them fairly well that season, and we certainly were not a good offense.

What happened was, they were decent in a couple of areas of the team, got some big breaks, their confidence soared and they took off. Every team in the NFL, every year, has the chance to surprise. Because the distance from the top of the league to the bottom is getting closer every year.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT predicting 13-3, I predicted 6-10.
 

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Originally posted by nidan
What makes you think Gilmore is not fully recovered ? He was practiing fine at mini camp.

As for the running back situation it seems to me there are two possibilites both are good.

a) Emmit has a pro bowl year and we all party in the playoffs
b) Emmit is well past his prime and we have the best backup RB in the NFL and an additional RB coach. Shipp then effectivly is the startre regardless of any official position.

no offense, but i think you're high as a kite if you think emmitt has a snowball's chance in hell of making the probowl.
 

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