The QB Competition is HEATING UP!!!

[Crazy Canuck]

I prefer Skelton over Kolb but John had a chance to show up to practice and preseason games and demonstrate that he was clearly the better option. He failed to do that and now we're probably stuck with Kolb starting. I think anyone can argue which of these two is the better QB but I don't think either side has the high ground when it comes to arguing which one deserves to start. Neither one of them deserves to start.

Steve

Having watched the NY Jets throughout the preseason, they could both start there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Having watched the NY Jets throughout the preseason, they could both start there.

Congratulations John and Kevin, you've won the right to start for the NY Jets. Pack your bags and be out of Arizona by midnight!

Steve

 

[Catfish]

It's so tough to land a QB in the NFL these days.

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Really? I would almost bet that at least 15 QB's have joined the NFL in the past three years, each that have advanced farther than anyone we have on our roster during that same time. I don't believe in the least that getting a QB is a huge problem in this league.

The problem is that our organization, (through poor handling techniques, poor play selection, and poor offensive line choices), have artificially imposed a low ceiling above which our young QB's cannot seem to advance. They are forced to utilize personnel that are not allowed to play to their strengths; to try to run an offense which cannot succeed based upon how we use our personnel; and then when they fail, they are ALL publicly condemned by the staff as not improving.

On top of that, they are forced to compete with each other under the most illogical of circumstances, most of which are doomed to failure before they even begin. They suffer public humiliation to the extent that they have absolutely zero confidence in their ability to compete. They ALL play, (afraid to make a mistake), and NEVER seem to be shown any real support by their handlers. As I recall, the ONLY time Whiz has definitely come out and named his QB for the season, was when he named Leinart, then flushed him away and started D-Wrek instead. How can anyone in their right mind believe that such a situation will instill confidence in ANY young QB, no matter who it is?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I prefer Skelton over Kolb but John had a chance to show up to practice and preseason games and demonstrate that he was clearly the better option. He failed to do that and now we're probably stuck with Kolb starting. I think anyone can argue which of these two is the better QB but I don't think either side has the high ground when it comes to arguing which one deserves to start. Neither one of them deserves to start.

Steve

Sad but true. I am on team Skelton purely because I think he at least has a shot of improving, and is considerably more durable.

I see no upside in starting Kolb, as I don't see him giving us any better chance of winning, and because he is so fragile and skittish.

 

[Stout]

I prefer Skelton over Kolb but John had a chance to show up to practice and preseason games and demonstrate that he was clearly the better option. He failed to do that and now we're probably stuck with Kolb starting. I think anyone can argue which of these two is the better QB but I don't think either side has the high ground when it comes to arguing which one deserves to start. Neither one of them deserves to start.

Steve

I disagree that Skelton didn't show he isn't clearly the better option. IMO, he went 6 of 10 last game (those were horrendous drops) and had 1 stinker play. Kolb got the benefit of better pass pro, was allowed to run the hurry up to help him out, and made 2 stinker plays. Well, 3, but he was insanely lucky that his fumble bounced off a player and fell to Colledge. And Skelton was head and shoulders above Kolb in the previous games. Kolb sure in the heck didn't win this competition, IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Of course I can blame them. It can kill a team to stick with a bad player just to try and justify their draft slot/trade and contract cost. Let the best player start. I believe Skelton is better than Kolb.

I didn't say stick with him if Skelton is better and, I agree the better player should play. I'm just saying Kolb is going to get more chances to show he's the guy because of the investment.

It's like if you bought a $50,000 car, you're going to do what you can to get it running right. Whereas, with a $1000 car, you might just see what you have and be done with if it doesn't run. However, if the cheaper car starts and runs everyday while the expensive one keeps needing repairs, the cheaper one it is.

The problem is, the Cards should likely just take a cab, or bus, The Lindley Bus .

 

[AzStevenCal]

I disagree that Skelton didn't show he isn't clearly the better option. IMO, he went 6 of 10 last game (those were horrendous drops) and had 1 stinker play. Kolb got the benefit of better pass pro, was allowed to run the hurry up to help him out, and made 2 stinker plays. Well, 3, but he was insanely lucky that his fumble bounced off a player and fell to Colledge. And Skelton was head and shoulders above Kolb in the previous games. Kolb sure in the heck didn't win this competition, IMO.

Well, he didn't go 6 for 10. Are you going to go back to last year and take away a reception because Larry made a great play on it? He went 4 for 10 and his Oline failed him. He didn't lose the QB competition by going 4 for 10 and I really doubt that 6 for 10 would have won it for him. That interception was horrible. It was so bad it was Kolb-like.

Also, keep in mind that the coaching staff never said this was a competition that would be decided by preseason game performance. By all accounts, Kolb was superior in practice. Considering they only have about 8 quarters of game play total to weigh against all of training camp, I don't think Skelton clearly won anything. I certainly didn't see Kolb "win" anything either but that's been my point all along.

Steve

 

[Stout]

Well, he didn't go 6 for 10. Are you going to go back to last year and take away a reception because Larry made a great play on it? He went 4 for 10 and his Oline failed him. He didn't lose the QB competition by going 4 for 10 and I really doubt that 6 for 10 would have won it for him. That interception was horrible. If was so bad it was Kolb-like.

Also, keep in mind that the coaching staff never said this was a competition that would be decided by preseason game performance. By all accounts, Kolb was superior in practice. Considering they only have about 8 quarters of game play total to weigh against all of training camp, I don't think Skelton clearly won anything. I certainly didn't see Kolb "win" anything either but that's been my point all along.

Steve

Yeah, I'm not going to get into practices, because I don't get to see them, and those that do might not have an objective viewpoint. While the preseason games may not win you the job, they should damn well be able to lose you the job. Kolb has no business starting in this league--he stinks in games. He's been atrocious in preseason games, most of the time without mitigation.

 

[Mulli]

Yeah, I'm not going to get into practices, because I don't get to see them, and those that do might not have an objective viewpoint. While the preseason games may not win you the job, they should damn well be able to lose you the job. Kolb has no business starting in this league--he stinks in games. He's been atrocious in preseason games, most of the time without mitigation.

Any QB who can only complete 52.6% of 401 attempts has no business starting either.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I'm not going to get into practices, because I don't get to see them, and those that do might not have an objective viewpoint. While the preseason games may not win you the job, they should damn well be able to lose you the job. Kolb has no business starting in this league--he stinks in games. He's been atrocious in preseason games, most of the time without mitigation.

I can't disagree there.

Steve

 

[Stout]

Any QB who can only complete 52.6% of 401 attempts has no business starting either.

And the guy some people still want to start, over the guy who had less than a 60% completion rate? Had under a 60% completion rate last season himself. I would never have guessed that about Kolb, the way some people crow that Skelton needs at least a 60% completion rate. Kolb stinks, regardless of how good or bad Skelton is.

Edit: Skelton had a 54.9% completion rate last season, while Kolb completed 57.7% of his. Big difference there! For shame, drudging up a rookie 5th rounder from Fordham's rookie, forced-to-start stats, to make him look worse in comparison to your chosen QB.

 

[Duckjake]

Any QB who can only complete 52.6% of 401 attempts has no business starting either.

So you don't like Eli Manning?

48.2%, 52.8%, 57.7%, 56.1% Manning #'s for his first 4 years in the NFL.

The year with the 52.8% he threw the ball 557 times. Two years later Manning completed 56.1% of 529 passes and led the league in INTS with 20. The Giants won the Super Bowl.

But then you live in Chicago and nobody in Chicago knows anything about QBs. Heck a guy who played his last NFL game in 1950 is the Bears career passing yards leader.

 

[JC_AZ]

John Elway was a big, strong, athletic QB who sucked in accuracy for his first few seasons as a starter and never really had great completion percentages... Broncos stuck with him, got him comfortable in the roll and how did that work out ?
http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

 

[Mulli]

And the guy some people still want to start, over the guy who had less than a 60% completion rate? Had under a 60% completion rate last season himself. I would never have guessed that about Kolb, the way some people crow that Skelton needs at least a 60% completion rate. Kolb stinks, regardless of how good or bad Skelton is.

Edit: Skelton had a 54.9% completion rate last season, while Kolb completed 57.7% of his. Big difference there! For shame, drudging up a rookie 5th rounder from Fordham's rookie, forced-to-start stats, to make him look worse in comparison to your chosen QB.

He is not my chosen QB. Neither QB is an NFL QB. Ya, Skelton is on his way to winning multiple Super Bowls. Sure. Got it. Eli and Elway. Sure Sure.

 

[Duckjake]

He is not my chosen QB. Neither QB is an NFL QB. Ya, Skelton is on his way to winning multiple Super Bowls. Sure. Got it. Eli and Elway. Sure Sure.

Flashback to 2008:

Ya, the 37 year old Warner is going to take the Cards, the Cardinals!, to the SB. Sure. Got it. Sure Sure.

 

[Mulli]

Flashback to 2008:

Ya, the 37 year old Warner is going to take the Cards, the Cardinals!, to the SB. Sure. Got it. Sure Sure.

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[john h]

I tell you it is neck and neck. Which quarterback is going to suck less ? I dunno, but it is a dogfight.

John Skelton - Blew it. If John Skelton wants to be an NFL quarterback then he has find a fire in his belly. I question his competitive spirit to be honest with myself and the board. How you work so hard to get to his point, and you play like that ? No wonder Whiz doesn't know what to do. Disheartening, frustrating, and hope draining. That describes Skelton's game last night. Yeah, the line is horrible, but our line has been horrible for years. Skelton didn't get it done.


Kevin Kolb - BLOK is BLOK. As I said, who sucks less. Kolb is just plain poor. Both his INT's were horrible. What we have all seen is exactly what we saw last night. Same problems, same mistakes, and same lack of patience. I will say this, we was a little better last night then his past play. But as we now, anything times zero is zero.


This is pathetic. I wouldn't give the job to either of these guys, and NO, I wouldn't put Lindley back there either.

If this is the ceiling for these QB's we are looking at 3 wins if we are the luckiest team in that last 20 years. Wholey Moley that was bad.

Most of the sports gurus I hear on the radio or read have it Skelton by 3 lengths. Most seem to be really down on Kolb. Remember The Wizard Of Oz movie? Was it the Lion who was looking for a heart? I think that is where Kolb is and it is hard to find a heart once you have lost it. There are waiting list. In the Cardinal organization who is the Wizard behind the curtain? Is it Graves, Whiz, Michael or is there no Wizard behind the curtain?

 

[john h]

I agree with all of this.

This was Skeltons chance to take the job and didn't play with the fire he needed to. He did have a couple nice throws dropped, but he still didn't step up.

I have been all over Kolb and his suck play. But I give him credit he played with some fire and did stand in the pocket more than his norm. The int's looked so bad I wonder if the receiver ran the wrong rout? How else could the throw be so far off.

The online is the glaring problem. Nobody can play behind that. It's embarrassing.

Skelton is only into his second year so can we really judge him fairly at this point. For a rookie his record looks good. I do not place much emphasis on pre season games. If he improves on his record from last year we are in good shape. His performance in those wins do not accurately reflect his actual play as a QB but what can you say when you win.
There is an outside chance this guy may still prove to be a decent QB. I am not very hopeful with Kolb as hearts are hard to find.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Skelton is only into his second year so can we really judge him fairly at this point. For a rookie his record looks good. I do not place much emphasis on pre season games. If he improves on his record from last year we are in good shape. His performance in those wins do not accurately reflect his actual play as a QB but what can you say when you win.
There is an outside chance this guy may still prove to be a decent QB. I am not very hopeful with Kolb as hearts are hard to find.

Experience wise, I can see calling Skelton a 2nd year player but he is, in fact, a 3rd year pro.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

Experience wise, I can see calling Skelton a 2nd year player but he is, in fact, a 3rd year pro.

Steve

yup

 

[cardsfan89]

I would pick Kolb, if he can't get it done in 3 weeks, replace him. There IS a contract thing to consider and he does seem to play with some urgency.

I think our first four picks next year need to be QB or OL, best avail, best avail, and QB
Let's have a surplus at QB, you can always trade the backup for a 2nd round pick and a reserve lineman later on.

 

[Duckjake]

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Exactly. You don't know. A 52.6% completion rate doesn't mean a guy shouldn't be starting or will never be able to win Super Bowls. Just like losing your job to a guy with a 52.8% completion rate doesn't mean you're washed up and you'll never be able to take a team to the Super Bowl.

 

[Mulli]

Exactly. You don't know. A 52.6% completion rate doesn't mean a guy shouldn't be starting or will never be able to win Super Bowls. Just like losing your job to a guy with a 52.8% completion rate doesn't mean you're washed up and you'll never be able to take a team to the Super Bowl.

Nope, I didn't know what you were talking about. Using Warner's miracle run means no team should ever cut any QB because they could become Warner, Eli, or Elway.

 

[Duckjake]

Nope, I didn't know what you were talking about. Using Warner's miracle run means no team should ever cut any QB because they could become Warner, Eli, or Elway.

Ah yes the usual Mulli hyperbole. What it means is exactly what I wrote, that you never know how things are going to turn out in the NFL and just because a QB has a 52.6% completion rate doesn't mean he shouldn't be starting for that reason alone or will never get any better or that a QB is too old at 37-38 to play anymore.

 

[Mulli]

Ah yes the usual Mulli hyperbole. What it means is that you never know how things are going to turn out in the NFL and shouldn't talk in absolutes like no QB with a 52.6% completion rate should be starting or that a QB is too old at 37-38 to play anymore.

I can if I want. No QB with a 52.6 completion rate should be starting.

He can feel free to beat out Kolb and prove me wrong. He had been in this offense long enough. Succeed or get out.