The Reality of Josh McCown - and other musings . . .

[Cheesebeef]

I'll say one thing for the main groupies here.

They do stick together, no matter what.

One pops a brain cell and all the rest do their best little lemming imititations.

you have a brain cell? What's worse - groupies that think their players (Josh, Bryan Gilmore) and coaches (Mac and the rest of that pathetic staff) are great simply because they are Cardinals - or people who actually know what they are talking about?

I'm still waiting for your comparison - Gilmore, Mac, Ray Thompson, Larry Marmie (who I believe you called a well respected defensive coordinator), how apparently the sky was not falling last year, how bad Dennis Green will be for this team or how Tom Coughlin's style doesn't translate well inthe NFL anymore or how the guy you really wanted for HC couldn't even get a job, or that we would resign Jake and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on it goes.

 

[Rats]

how 'bout this dog:

the same argument could be made against me. i wanted a qb in the draft. until we hired denny and he put his faith in mccown. at that point i stood firmly behind denny's ability to develop a physically talented qb. i wanted to see mccown succeed. still do. but the evidence that i'm presented with is making me nervous. i don't see the mental toughness. i see a guy who stepped down in competition at the college level, a guy who cried b/c "he just wanted to win so badly" (and it's okay for guys to cry, but cry when you win a superbowl, or when you're coming to the realization that your career is over, not over getting benched b/c you're getting your head handed to you!), a guy who in 8 games has stepped once at crunch time when we needed him. i'm not blaming him for the game. but i would like to think we have a qb that after the defense crumbled would have the intestinal fortitude to charge back onto the field and win us the game. i think josh wants to do that, but i don't think he believes he can. just not quite enough strength of mind and conviction.

Josh was not allowed to do that (charge back onto the field and win us the game) with a 16pt lead you aren't asked to do that. We didn't get the ball first in OT...had we and Josh failed then your arguement might have merit. He simply wasn't asked to ,rightfully so, do what you are saying. With a lead he didn't need to. He was asked against the Vikings and he did. He needed to against the Pats....look in the mirror...they are way better than us...he needed to against the Falcons...he drove us down and fumbled the ball...that happens in football. So it would seem that it is not the "just not quite enought strength of mind" thing. He wasn't asked to in this game because we had a lead. He did what he was asked to do by his coaches. It had nothing to do with "intestinal fortitude" he has that. What he is getting now is game experience. Go ahead be nervous but don't throw the QB under the bus when he is getting this experience. He showed pocket presence yesterday. Taking what the D gave and throwing it away rather than taking a sack when he had to. The game will start to slow down for him. Anyone that can't see his development isnt looking very hard. Every QB makes mistakes in this game. The ones that make the fewest win if they have a good team around them. Josh if givin enough talent around him will be a good if not great QB. He will win some games by himself like he did against Minn...but yesterday we didn't get the ball first in OT....so the D lost it for us. Really the Kick off cost the D. Before that the D melted down. 28 pts should win this game no matter who is QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

Josh was not allowed to do that (charge back onto the field and win us the game) with a 16pt lead you aren't asked to do that. We didn't get the ball first in OT....

I think you missed his reference. After SF tied it up we got the ball at our 39 yard line with 59 seconds left and I think one TO(would have been 2 if Josh hadn't burned one audibling with 3 seconds on the clock earlier in the half).

he completes a 9 yard pass, takes the much debated sack on 2nd down, incomplete on 3rd down punt game over for Josh and the offense.

With Rackers leg we needed 25 yards to be in FG range, not a lock but that's a 53 yard kick. josh only came up 24 yards short before the punt.

that's what he means by charge out on the field and win the game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Josh was not allowed to do that (charge back onto the field and win us the game) with a 16pt lead you aren't asked to do that. We didn't get the ball first in OT...had we and Josh failed then your arguement might have merit. He simply wasn't asked to ,rightfully so, do what you are saying. With a lead he didn't need to. He was asked against the Vikings and he did. He needed to against the Pats....look in the mirror...they are way better than us...he needed to against the Falcons...he drove us down and fumbled the ball...that happens in football. So it would seem that it is not the "just not quite enought strength of mind" thing.

Jeez - Rats did you WATCH the game? He was given the ball on the 40 yard line with a minute left and the game was TIED with a Timeout and HE DID NOTHING! Now you just said that if we got the ball first in OT and JOsh didn't lead the team down the field - then we would have some merit - but shouldn't the same be said about a guy who has a GREAT opportunity to not even go to overtime and IS sent back to "charge back on the field and win us the game". You're saying he wasn't asked to do that - well then what the hell do you think Denny was saying with a minute left and with great field position and a timeout left? You also conveniently leave out the in the Rams game - he was given the ball TWICE in the fourth quarter, down by 7 points and TWICE DID NOTHING - Not even a first down.

You want to take the Pats game into account - fine - but there's three games - against mediocre to BAD teams where JOsh had the chance to do soemthing and either failed to even get a first down - or worse - LOST THE BALL IN SCROING TERRITORY.

Again - considering that we have debunked your theory that Josh wasn't given the chance to win this game - what will you say now - how will you spin it - because apparently by the criteria you just listed above - our argument has merit - it's about time you recognized that whether you realized it or not.

 

[Rats]

Jeez - Rats did you WATCH the game? He was given the ball on the 40 yard line with a minute left and the game was TIED with a Timeout and HE DID NOTHING! Now you just said that if we got the ball first in OT and JOsh didn't lead the team down the field - then we would have some merit - but shouldn't the same be said about a guy who has a GREAT opportunity to not even go to overtime and IS sent back to "charge back on the field and win us the game". You're saying he wasn't asked to do that - well then what the hell do you think Denny was saying with a minute left and with great field position and a timeout left? You also conveniently leave out the in the Rams game - he was given the ball TWICE in the fourth quarter, down by 7 points and TWICE DID NOTHING - Not even a first down.

You want to take the Pats game into account - fine - but there's three games - against mediocre to BAD teams where JOsh had the chance to do soemthing and either failed to even get a first down - or worse - LOST THE BALL IN SCROING TERRITORY.

Again - considering that we have debunked your theory that Josh wasn't given the chance to win this game - what will you say now - how will you spin it - because apparently by the criteria you just listed above - our argument has merit - it's about time you recognized that whether you realized it or not.

Im not trying to spin anything. Did or did Josh not make a 9 yard pass in that situation? Did he audible to throw short? No. Did he fumble the ball away in that situation? No. He relied on his reciever to get the first down. He threw the pass that he was supposed to. As to game managment and burning a time out that comes with experience. What was he supposed to do run for the first down with guys draped all over him....come on. Theres been no debunking of my theory here. Josh and the O got us a 16 pt lead. The prevent cost us the lead. The Niners got the ball in OT with a short field and won. You perpetuate this myth that there are bad teams in the NFL. Well that same Rams team came back against a superior ranked team last week. So how do you explain that? I will tell you how...teams are alot closer in talent then you would concede and because of that you have to rely on experience at impact positions. We are getting that in our QB and our recievers. It was evident in the last two games. Our defense has been tough in the Red zone limiting TD and only giving field goals. You can argue all you want about how some mythical QB is going to come and save the day but this is not the real football world. A steady qb with a solid team around him and I might add a stout Defense wins championships. He who is not named tried to tell you bozos this and you went round and around with him for years over it. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Im not trying to spin anything. Did or did Josh not make a 9 yard pass in that situation? Did he audible to throw short? No. Did he fumble the ball away in that situation? No. He relied on his reciever to get the first down. He threw the pass that he was supposed to. As to game managment and burning a time out that comes with experience. What was he supposed to do run for the first down with guys draped all over him....come on. Theres been no debunking of my theory here. Josh and the O got us a 16 pt lead. The prevent cost us the lead. The Niners got the ball in OT with a short field and won. You perpetuate this myth that there are bad teams in the NFL. Well that same Rams team came back against a superior ranked team last week. So how do you explain that? I will tell you how...teams are alot closer in talent then you would concede and because of that you have to rely on experience at impact positions. We are getting that in our QB and our recievers. It was evident in the last two games. Our defense has been tough in the Red zone limiting TD and only giving field goals. You can argue all you want about how some mythical QB is going to come and save the day but this is not the real football world. A steady qb with a solid team around him and I might add a stout Defense wins championships. He who is not named tried to tell you bozos this and you went round and around with him for years over it. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

I'm confused, if the 49ers taking over at the 39 yard line on OT is "a short field" how come Josh taking over at the EXACT SAME 39 yard line with a minute left and a timeout is not a short field?

you can't have it both ways, all he had to do was get 20+ yards and we have a shot. on 2nd down if he just reads the blitz he can audible, or throw to the hot read, he had just as much time on that play as the TD pass to Jones, he simply read that one correctly and didn't the last one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Im not trying to spin anything. Did or did Josh not make a 9 yard pass in that situation? Did he audible to throw short? No. Did he fumble the ball away in that situation? No. He relied on his reciever to get the first down. He threw the pass that he was supposed to. As to game managment and burning a time out that comes with experience. What was he supposed to do run for the first down with guys draped all over him....come on. Theres been no debunking of my theory here. Josh and the O got us a 16 pt lead. The prevent cost us the lead. The Niners got the ball in OT with a short field and won. You perpetuate this myth that there are bad teams in the NFL. Well that same Rams team came back against a superior ranked team last week. So how do you explain that? I will tell you how...teams are alot closer in talent then you would concede and because of that you have to rely on experience at impact positions. We are getting that in our QB and our recievers. It was evident in the last two games. Our defense has been tough in the Red zone limiting TD and only giving field goals. You can argue all you want about how some mythical QB is going to come and save the day but this is not the real football world. A steady qb with a solid team around him and I might add a stout Defense wins championships. He who is not named tried to tell you bozos this and you went round and around with him for years over it. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

okay - consider yourself delusional. How come the NIners got a short field and won - can't the same be said about Josh on our last possession? The reason you can't see this is because - I guess - you're delusional. As far as your breakdown of our last series - on a short field in a basic sudden death situation - why did your breakdown end after first down? Was it because Josh took a horrible sack on 2nd and 1 and then almost threw a pick on third down? Another nice Bushite tactic - You make the case that a steady QB with a solid team around him and a real stout D wins championships and out of the last 20 years - you have evidence of that - TWICE - The Bucs and the Ravens - but the difference even there is that those defenses weren't just stout - THEY WERE TWO OF THE BEST THREE DEFENSES OF ALL TIME. The team that has won the title two of the last three years - has a great D - a decent supporting cast - and most importantly - A LEADER ON OFFENSE AT QB WHO CAN NOT ONLY HANDLE PRESSURE SITUATIONS - HE THRIVES IN THEM - huge difference and you know it. I don't care if the guy is a mythical QB - first round, 6th round, bagging groceries before the season starts - as long as they get the job done - and that's something bottom line that Josh has shown he can't do yet and to say otherwise is living in a fantasy world. But then again - to not realize that the kid hasn't shown the ability to handle pressure here or even in college - I guess that just states what kind of world you do reside in.

 

[Rats]

okay - consider yourself delusional. How come the NIners got a short field and won - can't the same be said about Josh on our last possession? The reason you can't see this is because - I guess - you're delusional. As far as your breakdown of our last series - on a short field in a basic sudden death situation - why did your breakdown end after first down? Was it because Josh took a horrible sack on 2nd and 1 and then almost threw a pick on third down? Another nice Bushite tactic - You make the case that a steady QB with a solid team around him and a real stout D wins championships and out of the last 20 years - you have evidence of that - TWICE - The Bucs and the Ravens - but the difference even there is that those defenses weren't just stout - THEY WERE TWO OF THE BEST THREE DEFENSES OF ALL TIME. The team that has won the title two of the last three years - has a great D - a decent supporting cast - and most importantly - A LEADER ON OFFENSE AT QB WHO CAN NOT ONLY HANDLE PRESSURE SITUATIONS - HE THRIVES IN THEM - huge difference and you know it. I don't care if the guy is a mythical QB - first round, 6th round, bagging groceries before the season starts - as long as they get the job done - and that's something bottom line that Josh has shown he can't do yet and to say otherwise is living in a fantasy world. But then again - to not realize that the kid hasn't shown the ability to handle pressure here or even in college - I guess that just states what kind of world you do reside in.

I had a post but it got deleted....but we both know who will be lining up under center for the Cardinals next game...Josh McCown...thats how delusional I will be..you pick out Two great ones to make your point but the Pats and Brady fall in this catagory as do the Bears, the Steelers, the Raiders, the Broncos, .....on and on. Defense wins championships not Stud QBs. Get real with this drivel. You always throw in the "YET" to cover yourself for when they DO. My delusion might be new but yours is a life long symptom. We had enough O to win this game. Your arguement has no merit. I am sure I won't change your mind and you will not change mine. But again we know who will be QB this team for the foreseeable future.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I had a post but it got deleted....but we both know who will be lining up under center for the Cardinals next game...Josh McCown...thats how delusional I will be..you pick out Two great ones to make your point but the Pats and Brady fall in this catagory as do the Bears, the Steelers, the Raiders, the Broncos, .....on and on. Defense wins championships not Stud QBs. Get real with this drivel. You always throw in the "YET" to cover yourself for when they DO. My delusion might be new but yours is a life long symptom. We had enough O to win this game. Your arguement has no merit. I am sure I won't change your mind and you will not change mine. But again we know who will be QB this team for the foreseeable future.

And I'm not arguing that point. Hell - have I even said that I want King to start? If you can show me that then you might have a point. I think Josh needs to start because, well, there's no other hope otherwise. King may be a band aid, but he ain't a long term answer whatsoever.

As to Defense wins championships not stud QBs - you and any opinion you have has just lost all merit:

Joe Montana (4 super bowls), Steve Young (1 Super Bowl), Troy Aikman(3 Super Bowls), Terry Bradshaw(4 Super Bowls), Tom Brady(2 Super Bowls), John Elway(2 Super Bowls), Joe Namath(1 Super Bowls), Roger Staubach (2 Super Bowls), Bart Starr(1 Super Bowl), Brett Favre (1 Super Bowl), Bob Griese (1 Super Bowl) - what's the common thread about all those QBs who won Super Bowls and most of them weren't one and done Super Bowl winners - but actually won multiple times and at least got back another time? They are all SURE FIRE HALL OF FAMERS. A good defense and a GREAT QB + DYNASTY - a SUPER DEFENSE and a "steady" QB - gets you one and done.

That right there is 22 of the possible what - 36 total winners in the Super Bowl? And then let's look at some other winning Super Bowl QBs who weren't even hall of famers but their team rode them and their MVP SEASONS to Super Bowls: Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner - so then that's 24 of 36 uper Bowls in which the QB was just as much if not more important than the defense.

A steady guy might get a fluke Super Bowl appearance - like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson, but remind me again what happened to those clubs just two years after they won - hell - even one year after the Bucs won - they both missed the playoffs as opposed to Elway who kept going to the Super Bowl or Montana who kept going to the Super Bowl or Staubach who went to multiple Super Bowls or Bradshaw who went to 4 Super Bowls.

But I guess you're right - I'm sure having Hall of Fame QBs on over half of the Super Bowl Champs - and ON ALL OF THE DYNASTIES had everything to do with just their defense. Give me a break - Any GREAT team - and I'm talking about a team that sticks needs both - a good defense and a GREAT QB as has been evidenced by the only dynasties.

I'll take any QB from any round as long as he proves he can be effective. Josh hasn't been cutting it yet. And I throw in the yet - because I believe people MUST PROVE THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY GET PRAISE - and IF they do - I don't say I was there all along - I admit how surprised and impressed I am - just like I have done with Rod Graves, just like I have done with Calvin Pace and just like I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH JOSH!

And tell me how delusional I was last season when I thought we would be hell on Earth? I was pretty off base with that call huh Rats? What did you think we would do last season? If I know you're blind homersim - you were probably amongst those who hated me because, well, almost everything I said was proved to be true. That's okay - a lot of people hate me because I'm smarter than them.

 

[Rats]

And I'm not arguing that point. Hell - have I even said that I want King to start? If you can show me that then you might have a point. I think Josh needs to start because, well, there's no other hope otherwise. King may be a band aid, but he ain't a long term answer whatsoever.

As to Defense wins championships not stud QBs - you and any opinion you have has just lost all merit:

Joe Montana (4 super bowls), Steve Young (1 Super Bowl), Troy Aikman(3 Super Bowls), Terry Bradshaw(4 Super Bowls), Tom Brady(2 Super Bowls), John Elway(2 Super Bowls), Joe Namath(1 Super Bowls), Roger Staubach (2 Super Bowls), Bart Starr(1 Super Bowl), Brett Favre (1 Super Bowl), Bob Griese (1 Super Bowl) - what's the common thread about all those QBs who won Super Bowls and most of them weren't one and done Super Bowl winners - but actually won multiple times and at least got back another time? They are all SURE FIRE HALL OF FAMERS. A good defense and a GREAT QB + DYNASTY - a SUPER DEFENSE and a "steady" QB - gets you one and done.

That right there is 22 of the possible what - 36 total winners in the Super Bowl? And then let's look at some other winning Super Bowl QBs who weren't even hall of famers but their team rode them and their MVP SEASONS to Super Bowls: Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner - so then that's 24 of 36 uper Bowls in which the QB was just as much if not more important than the defense.

A steady guy might get a fluke Super Bowl appearance - like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson, but remind me again what happened to those clubs just two years after they won - hell - even one year after the Bucs won - they both missed the playoffs as opposed to Elway who kept going to the Super Bowl or Montana who kept going to the Super Bowl or Staubach who went to multiple Super Bowls or Bradshaw who went to 4 Super Bowls.

But I guess you're right - I'm sure having Hall of Fame QBs on over half of the Super Bowl Champs - and ON ALL OF THE DYNASTIES had everything to do with just their defense. Give me a break - Any GREAT team - and I'm talking about a team that sticks needs both - a good defense and a GREAT QB as has been evidenced by the only dynasties.

I'll take any QB from any round as long as he proves he can be effective. Josh hasn't been cutting it yet. And I throw in the yet - because I believe people MUST PROVE THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY GET PRAISE - and IF they do - I don't say I was there all along - I admit how surprised and impressed I am - just like I have done with Rod Graves, just like I have done with Calvin Pace and just like I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH JOSH!

And tell me how delusional I was last season when I thought we would be hell on Earth? I was pretty off base with that call huh Rats? What did you think we would do last season? If I know you're blind homersim - you were probably amongst those who hated me because, well, almost everything I said was proved to be true. That's okay - a lot of people hate me because I'm smarter than them.

No ....we hate you because you are more delusional You spin every post off topic. Just say your wrong and Im right and leave it at that. I picked 6-10 this year with hopes of stealing 2 and going 8-8 beacause I have money on that record(thought Q would get us a couple games). WEll you are consistantly delusional anyhow. You were off base last year and this year to. The point of this thread was that Josh gave us enough O to win Sunday and didn't lose the game. You say he is a crappy leader. I say he got us enough to win but the D and kicking game lost us the game.

 

[Evil Ash]

*shakes head*

Eh whatever. Some people on here wanted to blame every single loss on McCown but yet didn't want to give him credit for the win. He did what he was supposed to but they kept complaining about a lack of TD passes. Its typical, people just want to hate on a guy because they don't like him. Its that simple.

Here let me show you what I mean...

After the Atlanta game people gave the majority of the blame to McCown and due to his 3 fumbles, I would say that was fair. However, after 3 drives in which King doesn't drive the Cardinals to victory. In fact he only drives them to a FG on a drive that he went 3 and out.

However after the game the only person to criticize both McCown and King was ME and only ME. If the QB is so important and was such a key point to leading them to victory, why was the only reaction that I was giving was the ever mature and well thought out "Nuh Uh" response or by giving what if scenarios?

I always put the blame/glory on every player and coach for a loss (and I mean every loss) and win. Even though I might put emphasis on a certain player or unit, I give credit to everybody.

For example during this last game I put the majority of the blame on the defense and special teams units. I did so because they gave up 22 points that lead to the comeback and the less emphasis on the offense because IMO they did enough to win the game by scoring 28 points. Now do I excuse them? No, not at all. The offense made their share of mistakes as well.

If you want to put the blame on one guy's shoulders (while I personally don't understand it) all I ask is at least have the balls to give him credit for the wins as well. I just ask that people be consistent in your opinions about what the hell you want and your definition of what a QB should be.

There are parts to this game than just the QB position although if you look at this board, people think the QB is incharge of everything.



BTW Cheesie this wasn't meant at you, its just that I've gotten sick of the "Blame everything on Josh but lets not give him any credit" crap that has been going on on this board. Its gotten very old, very quick.

I'd say your critism was fair of Josh but I still want to know about the Atlanta game and why no blame went to King (at least on the board anyways) besides ME

 

[Cheesebeef]

No ....we hate you because you are more delusional You spin every post off topic. Just say your wrong and Im right and leave it at that. I picked 6-10 this year with hopes of stealing 2 and going 8-8 beacause I have money on that record(thought Q would get us a couple games). WEll you are consistantly delusional anyhow. You were off base last year and this year to. The point of this thread was that Josh gave us enough O to win Sunday and didn't lose the game. You say he is a crappy leader. I say he got us enough to win but the D and kicking game lost us the game.

I think this says it all. To borrow a line from Frasier Crane: Rats, what color is the sky in your world?

What were you predicting as far a last year and how was I wrong? I somehow missed how you elaborated on that point . . .

Also - as far as "doing enough to win" well, enough to win is more points than the other team. But using you're thought process above, I say the defense got us more than enough to win in keeping teams to 6 points and 17 points - so what's your point? That Josh has lost more games than he's won? Right there with you on that one also!

 

[Cheesebeef]

BTW Cheesie this wasn't meant at you, its just that I've gotten sick of the "Blame everything on Josh but lets not give him any credit" crap that has been going on on this board. Its gotten very old, very quick.

I'd say your critism was fair of Josh but I still want to know about the Atlanta game and why no blame went to King (at least on the board anyways) besides ME

it's so much easier to swallow what you wrote when when the poster (you) isn't telling me what I think and what I say. Personally - as far as the King criticism - for me - he just wasn;'t in there long enough for me to be too critical and it wasn't his fumble at the end. Believe me - if it was - I would have been all over him as well.

 

[Evil Ash]

it's so much easier to swallow what you wrote when when the poster (you) isn't telling me what I think and what I say. Personally - as far as the King criticism - for me - he just wasn;'t in there long enough for me to be too critical and it wasn't his fumble at the end. Believe me - if it was - I would have been all over him as well.

Point somewhat taken. But your point was that a QB should lead your team to victory when he had the chance (you know similar to what Josh did yesterday).

However neither Josh or King lead this team to victory but only I put the blame on both of them.

It just seems inconsistent is all

 

[Cheesebeef]

No ....we hate you

By the way - I think it's absolutely hilarious that I get under your skin enough to make you hate me. I think you and Tango are both off your rocker about, well just about everything, but that doesn't mean I hate you. I rather just feel very sorry for you.

And who is we? Is that you're friend in the land where the sky is red?

 

[Rats]

I think this says it all. To borrow a line from Frasier Crane: Rats, what color is the sky in your world?

What were you predicting as far a last year and how was I wrong? I somehow missed how you elaborated on that point . . .

Also - as far as "doing enough to win" well, enough to win is more points than the other team. But using you're thought process above, I say the defense got us more than enough to win in keeping teams to 6 points and 17 points - so what's your point? That Josh has lost more games than he's won? Right there with you on that one also!

Again I will roll my eyes at you. You are an idiot with logic. Spin Spin Spin.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Point somewhat taken. But your point was that a QB should lead your team to victory when he had the chance (you know similar to what Josh did today).

However neither Josh or King lead this team to victory but only I put the blame on both of them.

It just seems inconsistent is all

I can see that - but were talking about a pattern of behavior from Josh - the starter who gets all the reps in practice with all the starting offense as opposed to King who's thrown in there in the middle of the fourth - that's where I see the difference.

Ash - you shuld know that if King was in there - with full week's reps and in game after game he couldn't lead us to a game tying, winning TD or field goal - I'd be criticizing his ass too. But not nearly as much because my hopes aren't very high at all for King and he's a band-aid. But if you saw my thread titled "Josh McCown is the Answer" you'd understand why I'm so pissed - he making me look like an idiot!!!! I championed his leadership skills and it's those very skills that have been sorely missing in our four losses. Josh is supposed to have all this potential - I'd just like to see it pay off at least at a 25% clip.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again I will roll my eyes at you. You are an idiot with logic. Spin Spin Spin.

Ah yes - that's what my professors said in law school when I finished in the top ten percent of my class first year. Damn you and you're faulty logic Cheese!

How's that whole hate thing going for you?

 

[Rats]

I can see that - but were talking about a pattern of behavior from Josh - the starter who gets all the reps in practice with all the starting offense as opposed to King who's thrown in there in the middle of the fourth - that's where I see the difference.

Ash - you shuld know that if King was in there - with full week's reps and in game after game he couldn't lead us to a game tying, winning TD or field goal - I'd be criticizing his ass too. But not nearly as much because my hopes aren't very high at all for King and he's a band-aid. But if you saw my thread titled "Josh McCown is the Answer" you'd understand why I'm so pissed - he making me look like an idiot!!!! I championed his leadership skills and it's those very skills that have been sorely missing in our four losses. Josh is supposed to have all this potential - I'd just like to see it pay off at least at a 25% clip.

Flip FLop Flip Flop....got to go with the horse that brung ya...and Josh is not making you look like an idiot....your Flip Flop is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Flip FLop Flip Flop....got to go with the horse that brung ya...and Josh is not making you look like an idiot....your Flip Flop is.

It's called the ability to see your mistakes - something people with higher intelligence could understand - but with your Bushite response- that obviously doesn't apply to you.

 

[Rats]

Ah yes - that's what my professors said in law school when I finished in the top ten percent of my class first year. Damn you and you're faulty logic Cheese!

How's that whole hate thing going for you?

Yeah I bet they did..."Damn you Cheese...how do you finish in the top 10% of idiots in your class and expect to become a blood sucking waste of everyones time you need to do better son". No I usuaully pay you no never mind so it is hard to hate ,more like gum on the bottem of the shoe thing for you and your spew. Would rather clean it off and throw it in the garbage and be done with it. You must have quite the inferiority complex going for ya thinking everyone hates you but thanks for asking.

 

[conraddobler]

The coaching staff of the Cardinals must be stupid cause they really fail to see your point Cheese.

How long till DG gets it?

He's obviously an idiot with QB's cause he can't see what you so obviously see.

Someday Cheese he'll get it hang in there big guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah I bet they did..."Damn you Cheese...how do you finish in the top 10% of idiots in your class and expect to become a blood sucking waste of everyones time you need to do better son". No I usuaully pay you no never mind so it is hard to hate ,more like gum on the bottem of the shoe thing for you and your spew. Would rather clean it off and throw it in the garbage and be done with it. You must have quite the inferiority complex going for ya thinking everyone hates you but thanks for asking.

Man - you must really hate me. That's great. A piece of gum on your shoe - you can't get rid of me if you tried and the worst part is - you now I'm right! I don't think you want to continue this - I would think that your utter ignoring of everything I've written football wise would suggest you don't - you'd rather just call names and get posts deleted and that's cool - I feel for you, man, I really do. Try to get that post that was deleted back up though - I'm sure there was some good, intelligent hateful stuff in there. Keep on trucking angry bitter man!

 

[Cheesebeef]

The coaching staff of the Cardinals must be stupid cause they really fail to see your point Cheese.

How long till DG gets it?

He's obviously an idiot with QB's cause he can't see what you so obviously see.

Someday Cheese he'll get it hang in there big guy.

Jesus Conrad - are all of our players beyond criticism? I expect better than this from you.

You think the coaching staff is really hapy were 1-4 and that our QB has 3 TDs and 6 turnovers on the season.

It's not a matter of DG getting it either - he made his bed - he's got to lay in it. I still hope he turns it around, jsut as I'm sure DG does, but if you thinkhe's happy with the overall play of the offense, he wouldn't be talking about surgery needed instead of a band-aid or bringing in old coaches of his.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

What's the deal.

How can Rats and cheese not get along?