The Sky is Falling

[devilalum]

I read that the hawks want to save money.

 

[SirStefan32]

They have to. That contract that they gave JJ is just horrible, and I don't think they can afford to keep Smith and Horford. They'll have to give one of those up eventually, but I don't think they are ready to do it just yet. Carter's contract and draft picks may not be the best offer they get for Smith though.

 

[slinslin]

Why would we want to give up draft picks for Josh Smith? Do we want our future to get even worse?

Josh Smith is a good player but he wouldn't put us over the top, heck we might not make the playoffs with him either this year.

 

[SirStefan32]

Why would we want to give up draft picks for Josh Smith? Do we want our future to get even worse?

Josh Smith is a good player but he wouldn't put us over the top, heck we might not make the playoffs with him either this year.

You think you are going to get something better than Smith with our pick and Orlando's pick?

 

[joshstmarie]

I agree with slin for once, Josh Smith would not make us any better.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I agree with slin for once, Josh Smith would not make us any better.

Why not? Just curious.

 

[slinslin]

He would make us better, just not enough what would be the point. We would just be further away from rebuilding anytime soon while not being good enough to win anything.

 

[Chaplin]

He would make us better, just not enough what would be the point. We would just be further away from rebuilding anytime soon while not being good enough to win anything.

How does getting a young good power forward not contribute to rebuilding?

Your obsession with populating an entire team with nothing but draft picks isn't possible.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He would make us better, just not enough what would be the point. We would just be further away from rebuilding anytime soon while not being good enough to win anything.

None of this makes sense. Just where would you rank Josh Smith? I guarantee if he were a senior in college coming into the NBA this year he'd be one of the top 2 or 3 picks. Even if you say that he's topped out at 25, he would give us close to 20 PPG and instantly lead our team in rebounds, blocks and steals in addition to giving us an annual candidate for the All-defensive team. He makes us much better IMO and along with Gortat would give us a decent nucleus to build around and we're not likely to come anywhere close to his talent drafting in the teens.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

How does getting a young good power forward not contribute to rebuilding?

Your obsession with populating an entire team with nothing but draft picks isn't possible.

You are right he is still younger than what I thought he was but still he is a tweener, I don't like him as a long term solution at PF.

His offensive game, his post game is extremely limited and we need someone who can play in the post also.

Right now he gets away with playing at the PF spot due to his athleticism and decent strength but how is that going to work out once his super athleticism is starting to decline which will probably happen in 2 or 3 years?

Josh Smith is a gimmick player somewhat, definately not a traditional 3 or 4. He is 6'9 tweener that gives u 9 rebounds per game, 1.8 bpg 1.3 spg, and no real post up game. Kind of like playing Shawn Marion at the 4.

It is not helping our rebuilding because as Stefan said he would cost us capsapce giving up Carter and multiple picks which we need to rebuild. Also having him kills any hopes of eventually having a high lottery pick but at the same time we won't challenge anyone for the title with that lineup.

What I want to say is that acuiring Smith for draft picks would just cement our place as a mediocre fringe playoff team.

The Suns should only make trades right now if they can get cheap young draft picks or picks out of it and they should NOT make trades where they give up draftpicks for player with big contracts.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You are right he is still younger than what I thought he was but still he is a tweener, I don't like him as a long term solution at PF.

His offensive game, his post game is extremely limited and we need someone who can play in the post also.

Right now he gets away with playing at the PF spot due to his athleticism and decent strength but how is that going to work out once his super athleticism is starting to decline which will probably happen in 2 or 3 years?

Josh Smith is a gimmick player somewhat, definately not a traditional 3 or 4. He is 6'9 tweener that gives u 9 rebounds per game, 1.8 bpg 1.3 spg, and no real post up game. Kind of like playing Shawn Marion at the 4.

It is not helping our rebuilding because as Stefan said he would cost us capsapce giving up Carter and multiple picks which we need to rebuild. Also having him kills any hopes of eventually having a high lottery pick but at the same time we won't challenge anyone for the title with that lineup.

What I want to say is that acuiring Smith for draft picks would just cement our place as a mediocre fringe playoff team.

The Suns should only make trades right now if they can get cheap young draft picks or picks out of it and they should NOT make trades where they give up draftpicks for player with big contracts.

Wow. He is a lockdown defender, a great rebounder, an excellent athlete, and has a pretty versatile offensive game. He's 6-9 240, which is basically the same as Amare. If he is a gimmick player, so is about every other player in the league.

 

[BC867]

Kind of like playing Shawn Marion at the 4.

Wow. He is a lockdown defender, a great rebounder, an excellent athlete, and has a pretty versatile offensive game. He's 6-9 240, which is basically the same as Amare.

Josh Smith is listed as 6'9"-225. Marion is listed as 6'7"-220. Amar'e at 6'9" (then 6'10" when the Suns wanted him to make the All Star team as a Center) and 245.

Marion at PF was out of position. Same with Amar'e at C. Smith is a tweener, hardly bigger than Warrick at 6'9"-219. And we know he's not our solution at PF.

It seems that, at this time, with Frye's improvement as a rebounder and on defense (as long as he plays PF and not C) at 6'11"-248, we should not go back to a tweener at PF. A more traditional PF than Frye, perhaps (although the Suns look married to his contract), but not a tweener SF-PF.

 

[mojorizen7]

Josh Smith is a viable piece to build around moving forward. He would instantly become our best all-around player under the age of 37.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Josh Smith is listed as 6'9"-225. Marion is listed as 6'7"-220. Amar'e at 6'9" (then 6'10" when the Suns wanted him to make the All Star team as a Center) and 245.

Marion at PF was out of position. Same with Amar'e at C. Smith is a tweener, hardly bigger than Warrick at 6'9"-219. And we know he's not our solution at PF.

It seems that, at this time, with Frye's improvement as a rebounder and on defense (as long as he plays PF and not C) at 6'11"-248, we should not go back to a tweener at PF. A more traditional PF than Frye, perhaps (although the Suns look married to his contract), but not a tweener SF-PF.

nba.com has him listed at 6-9 240. This is getting just silly.

watch this, and remember that this guy is a top level defender who guards all positions on the floor for the Hawks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCqTm3tmOc

 

[BC867]

Josh Smith is a viable piece to build around moving forward. He would instantly become our best all-around player under the age of 37.

At Small Forward, yup. But our best all-around player (at age 38) already holds that position.

 

[slinslin]

Josh Smith is listed as 6'9"-225. Marion is listed as 6'7"-220. Amar'e at 6'9" (then 6'10" when the Suns wanted him to make the All Star team as a Center) and 245.

lol man Amare always measured in at 6'10 it has nothing to do with the Suns wanting to make him a center he measured 6'10 at the predraft combine..

Josh Smith is 6'8 1/4 in shoes
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

He is not the same height as Amare I think that is pretty obvious by simply watching them play against each other and how can you call him a great rebounder? He rebounds at basically the same rate as Amare who got consitently bashed on this board for his rebounding.

Smith is a SF turned PF out of need by the Hawks. If you get Smith to be your PF you automatically dedicate yourself to build a gimmick team around that because Smith doesn't give you an offensive low post game that you would normally expect from a PF and he is a bit undersized.

And let me add Josh Smith has not continued to improve over the last 5 years he has been almost the same player. His blocks per game and minute are way down from his first 4 seasons.

 

[AzStevenCal]

lol man Amare always measured in at 6'10 it has nothing to do with the Suns wanting to make him a center he measured 6'10 at the predraft combine..

Josh Smith is 6'8 1/4 in shoes
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

He is not the same height as Amare I think that is pretty obvious by simply watching them play against each other and how can you call him a great rebounder? He rebounds at basically the same rate as Amare who got consitently bashed on this board for his rebounding.

Smith is a SF turned PF out of need by the Hawks. If you get Smith to be your PF you automatically dedicate yourself to build a gimmick team around that because Smith doesn't give you an offensive low post game that you would normally expect from a PF and he is a bit undersized.

If you can find an 1 3/4 inches difference in height between Amare and Josh Smith then you might as well start the search for Amelia Earhart because you can find anything.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

This is just ridiculous. Smith would fit perfectly. He can score in a variety of ways, he is a very good defender, and a pretty good rebounder. Yeah, it would be nice if he had another inch and 10lb, but he is a legitimate power forward.

Also, I think that playing next to a real Center (Gortat and Lopez) would make him even more effective than he is now, playing alongside another PF (Hartford.)

I think there is zero chance that Hawks trade him to Phoenix, but if they offered him for Carter and a pick or two (along with another player to make salaries work,) the Suns should make that trade.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is just ridiculous. Smith would fit perfectly. He can score in a variety of ways, he is a very good defender, and a pretty good rebounder. Yeah, it would be nice if he had another inch and 10lb, but he is a legitimate power forward.

Also, I think that playing next to a real Center (Gortat and Lopez) would make him even more effective than he is now, playing alongside another PF (Hartford.)

I think there is zero chance that Hawks trade him to Phoenix, but if they offered him for Carter and a pick or two (along with another player to make salaries work,) the Suns should make that trade.

+1. I agree with everything including the idea that we probably can't/won't acquire him.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

Fail. (should switch it to : The Suns are Rising)

 

[BC867]

Gentry has molded this new Suns unit into another 10-man rotation.

He is putting the right combinations on the floor to overcome a deficit.

And he has a solid defensive team to play the 4th quarter once we take the lead.

Suns . . . defense. Wow! There's a combination of words I've been waiting to say.

This win in Utah may be the point where the Suns have regained their confidence.

 

[desertdawg]

Gentry has molded this new Suns unit into another 10-man rotation.

He is putting the right combinations on the floor to overcome a deficit.

And he has a solid defensive team to play the 4th quarter once we take the lead.

Suns . . . defense. Wow! There's a combination of words I've been waiting to say.

This win in Utah may be the point where the Suns have regained their confidence.

Yeah buddy, game didn't start out too pretty but the defense (not the 3) helped us get that winning record. ZD turned out another quality game and Warrick...damn he can bring it when he wants to.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Gentry has molded this new Suns unit into another 10-man rotation.

He is putting the right combinations on the floor to overcome a deficit.

And he has a solid defensive team to play the 4th quarter once we take the lead.

Suns . . . defense. Wow! There's a combination of words I've been waiting to say.

This win in Utah may be the point where the Suns have regained their confidence.

We've won 6 of our last 7. I think we regained our confidence when we followed up the possible fluke win against Boston with an impressive win over a very good New Orleans team. Even with the late game disappointment against OKC, we've played very well of late.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Gentry has molded this new Suns unit into another 10-man rotation.

He is putting the right combinations on the floor to overcome a deficit.

And he has a solid defensive team to play the 4th quarter once we take the lead.

Suns . . . defense. Wow! There's a combination of words I've been waiting to say.

This win in Utah may be the point where the Suns have regained their confidence.

Were you close to a heart attack when Lopez started dominating -- yes, DOMINATING -- at the start of the 2nd half? When's the last time he did anything like that NOT at the start of the game.

 

[devilalum]

They're playing some good ball. I still think they're going to struggle down the stretch in tight games because they don't have a go to scorer.