The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[pokerface]

The “coaches boy” argument is so incredibly ridiculous it leaves me almost speechless.

I think thats being nit picky


I mean you Ouchie...lol

 

[HeHasRosen]

Its not the age or even Golden States decline. Its the fact that $188,000,000.00 severely limits what else you can do. We need Ayton to be at least as good as KAT and a couple more pieces.

Roll the dice and get on with it, can't wait.

And, after all if it doesn't work out we can't possibly be any worse than we have been for the last, how many years?

This right here.

I know KAT is young but we can pretty much only get 1 good vet if we go that route.

I think its better to have a pg vet. Thats your team leader and he can help the team along and show them the way.

 

[Hoop Head]

The “coaches boy” argument is so incredibly ridiculous it leaves me almost speechless.

It's almost as bad as saying the Suns ran a system dependent on 2 lead Centers. At no point over the last couple of years did the Suns run an offense or defense with 2 Centers on the floor as primary options.

Or to put it another way, I don't want to see us draft Doncic for the Point Guard position no matter what or when, even if there were no Ayton. He's a tweener. Jack of all trades, master of none. Plus the fact that he is the Coach's 'boy' could only alienate the rest of the team. If Igor had intended them to be a package deal, that should have been resolved during his interview. If we had an experienced interviewer.

There is absolutely no reason to assume that Doncic is Kokoskov's "boy". Where do you get that idea and why do you keep going back to that? It's been refuted numerous times by various posters. Neither Doncic or Kokoskov have made any statement that should make someone believe they're a package deal. What has been said by anyone within the Suns front office that leads you to believe that Kokoskov will only be happy if the Suns select Doncic for him or that this was something he requested before he was hired?

 

[BC867]

The “coaches boy” argument is so incredibly ridiculous it leaves me almost speechless.

Don't be speechless. You haven't explained why you disagree.

Stop and think about it as I did. Devin Booker is the Man, even to the point of being involved in team hiring decisions. That puts him in a pretty lofty position. Especially with the heretofore steady losing record of the Suns and his becoming a free agent soon with a decision to make concerning if he wants to stay.

A new Head Coach is hired, perhaps expecting to bring in a player with whom he already has a special relationship. And another tweener at that, which will force Book to cover the Point as well as his own position. It is not nepotism, but it is similar to it.

It just sounds so illogical to me. Just another Suns move inviting personnel problems, pitting players against each other. It is a management philosophy that eventually bites you in the butt.

 

[BC867]

It's almost as bad as saying the Suns ran a system dependent on 2 lead Centers. At no point over the last couple of years did the Suns run an offense or defense with 2 Centers on the floor as primary options.

I didn't say that! Whether it was three lead Point Guards fighting for recognition or, to a lesser degree, Chandler then Len then Chandler then Len at Center, too much indecision on the part of Suns management. Make commitments and stick to it, unless or until you determine that it is not working.

From a management perspective, I totally disagree with the team philosophy the Suns have been employing.

 

[Hoop Head]

A new Head Coach is hired, perhaps expecting to bring in a player with whom he already has a special relationship. And another tweener at that, which will force Book to cover the Point as well as his own position. It is not nepotism, but it is similar to it.

Perhaps? That isn't happening. Everything he's said publicly has been the exact opposite of requesting the team accommodate him with specific players.

Even if Doncic was drafted it would be to play PG, it wouldn't be forcing Booker to play it. That's even more absurd. Why would Igor request a player to be drafted by the Suns to play Point Guard for him and then when the Suns get that player for him, he decides to use Booker as a Point Guard instead?

I didn't say that! Whether it was three lead Point Guards fighting for recognition or, to a lesser degree, Chandler then Len then Chandler then Len at Center, too much indecision on the part of Suns management. Make commitments and stick to it, unless or until you determine that it is not working.

From a management perspective, I totally disagree with the team philosophy the Suns have been employing.

You said having 2 lead Centers was a part of the Suns identity and a gimmick they employed. I don't believe anyone ever looked at the Suns and said they used "2 Lead Centers" as a gimmick or that they even had "2 Lead Centers" on the roster. Since Chandler has been here he's been the starter. Len has taken over the starting job while Chandler has missed time because of injury but it's never been a seesaw affair with them passing the starting job back and forth. Chandler has only come off the bench in 7 games in his 3 years with the Suns, that alone says he's been the primary starter during his time here. End of story. There hasn't been an issue with 2 lead centers, there's been a starter and a backup, that's it. Len has failed consistently to earn the starting job but that's another issue.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't be speechless. You haven't explained why you disagree.

Stop and think about it as I did. Devin Booker is the Man, even to the point of being involved in team hiring decisions. That puts him in a pretty lofty position. Especially with the heretofore steady losing record of the Suns and his becoming a free agent soon with a decision to make concerning if he wants to stay.

A new Head Coach is hired, perhaps expecting to bring in a player with whom he already has a special relationship. And another tweener at that, which will force Book to cover the Point as well as his own position. It is not nepotism, but it is similar to it.

It just sounds so illogical to me. Just another Suns move inviting personnel problems, pitting players against each other. It is a management philosophy that eventually bites you in the butt.

I don’t know where to start. You make wild assumptions about motivations and then criticize the team for your wild assumptions. It’s tinfoil hat stuffZ

 

[pokerface]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

 

[Krangodnzr]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

Holy crap those are dogshite trade packages. Brandon Ingram? We have Josh Jackson.

Older big men with non lottery picks? No thank you.

 

[JCSunsfan]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

Anyone who can set up their own website is media these days.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Perhaps? That isn't happening. Everything he's said publicly has been the exact opposite of requesting the team accommodate him with specific players.

Even if Doncic was drafted it would be to play PG, it wouldn't be forcing Booker to play it. That's even more absurd. Why would Igor request a player to be drafted by the Suns to play Point Guard for him and then when the Suns get that player for him, he decides to use Booker as a Point Guard instead?




You said having 2 lead Centers was a part of the Suns identity and a gimmick they employed. I don't believe anyone ever looked at the Suns and said they used "2 Lead Centers" as a gimmick or that they even had "2 Lead Centers" on the roster. Since Chandler has been here he's been the starter. Len has taken over the starting job while Chandler has missed time because of injury but it's never been a seesaw affair with them passing the starting job back and forth. Chandler has only come off the bench in 7 games in his 3 years with the Suns, that alone says he's been the primary starter during his time here. End of story. There hasn't been an issue with 2 lead centers, there's been a starter and a backup, that's it. Len has failed consistently to earn the starting job but that's another issue.

Everything I have read and it's been a Toooooon, everything I can find Doncic will not be a PG, will he have play making bringing up the ball duties on the floor, but he will both play the 1, he plays the 2, 3 and 4. So no he is not a PG and will not guard PGs for the Ziolionth time

 

[Hoop Head]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

In the Boston trade, Marcus Smart is a free agent so that's out but they said he can guard every position from 1-5. I honestly wonder if the writer knows what positions those are. No one can honestly think Smart can guard a Center, right?

They also show a picture of Larry Nance Jr instead of Zubac in the Lakers trade proposal.

All of those deals are awful. I don't think that person plays 2k let alone watches the NBA. They should be banned from the internet for that nonsense. Not just from posting on that site but posting anything, anywhere. Seriously some of the worst trade scenarios I've ever seen.

Even some idiot in the comments suggested Dennis Smith Jr and Dwight Powell for the #1 pick so the Mavericks could draft Ayton and Young. The #9 pick from last year who is injury prone and a tweener guard plus an overpaid backup PF for the #1 pick? Come on. That's the sort of idiot that site attracts.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

They should just trade it for Zach Randolph and a 2nd rder

 

[Hoop Head]

Everything I have read and it's been a Toooooon, everything I can find Doncic will not be a PG, will he have play making bringing up the ball duties on the floor, but he will both play the 1, he plays the 2, 3 and 4. So no he is not a PG and will not guard PGs for the Ziolionth time

I don't think he'll be a PG either but I find that very hard to believe that EVERYTHING you've read has said that he won't be a Point Guard because numerous people here, and numerous sites that have been linked here, have said that he'll be a PG. That doesn't really matter though, that's only a small fraction of what I was saying to BC. If you read the whole exchange you'd see that and understand that little piece doesn't mean much in the bigger picture.

 

[Cheesebeef]

They should just trade it for Zach Randolph and a 2nd rder

And throw in next year’s unprotected first as well!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

Wow that is awful

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I don't think he'll be a PG either but I find that very hard to believe that EVERYTHING you've read has said that he won't be a Point Guard because numerous people here, and numerous sites that have been linked here, have said that he'll be a PG. That doesn't really matter though, that's only a small fraction of what I was saying to BC. If you read the whole exchange you'd see that and understand that little piece doesn't mean much in the bigger picture.

From anyone in the know, who is breaking down the draft that's credible, who Know Doncic and has scouted him in person, says he will guard the 2, 3 or 4. In today NBA it's who you guard now, with positionless basketball. Booker switched on PG might work. Doncic fits the Kings perfect with Fox there and Hield and Cauley-Stein. I live North of Sac, so I would love to watch him and hit some games. So Ayton to Suns and Doncic to Kings will work out for me well. Doncic needs like a PG like fox next to him, they would work well together

 

[Cheesebeef]

From anyone in the know, who is breaking down the draft that's credible, who Know Doncic and has scouted him in person, says he will guard the 2, 3 or 4. In today NBA it's who you guard now, with positionless basketball. Booker switched on PG might work. Doncic fits the Kings perfect with Fox there and Hield and Cauley-Stein. I live North of Sac, so I would love to watch him and hit some games. So Ayton to Suns and Doncic to Kings will work out for me well. Doncic needs like a PG like fox next to him, they would work well together

I think that could be a really dynamic backcourt.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

Worst article I’ve ever read on any topic ever.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/2...-the-suns-could-get-for-the-1st-overall-pick/


I swear to cripe....are the media on crack or what?? They think we want Marc Gasol??????? They even say he wants to be on a playoff team so why would he want here? Then they talk about Aldridge, Rozier, or Ingram!!!

Here we are debating whether we want the total stud KAT (and basicly saying no) and they think the suns would even consider that garbage for our unicorn Ayton????

Idiots!

But a positive spin is that if these are considered reasonable so are the much better trades we’ve concocted to move back up into the top 10 from 16.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Worst article I’ve ever read on any topic ever.

Actually, I'm kind of hoping he's right about the trade value for the first pick. If so, we can draft Ayton first and then trade Chandler and the 59th pick to Sacramento for the number 2 pick.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Actually, I'm kind of hoping he's right about the trade value for the first pick. If so, we can draft Ayton first and then trade Chandler and the 59th pick to Sacramento for the number 2 pick.

Ha see my second post on the article.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Actually, I'm kind of hoping he's right about the trade value for the first pick. If so, we can draft Ayton first and then trade Chandler and the 59th pick to Sacramento for the number 2 pick.

do we have to trade Chandler? He could still be useful to help mentor Ayton. How about Dudley and the 59th pick... unless there's a player we want there. Then they can get our 2nd rounder next year, top 58 protected?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ha see my second post on the article.

Yeah, I saw it right after I posted mine. If you'd been just a little faster I could have just "liked" yours!

 

[AzStevenCal]

do we have to trade Chandler? He could still be useful to help mentor Ayton. How about Dudley and the 59th pick... unless there's a player we want there. Then they can get our 2nd rounder next year, top 58 protected?

Your idea has merit but valley restaurants would take a hit without Dudley's patronage. He's been working hard on that retirement body and the tacos are much better in the Valley than they are in Sacramento. Although Sac does have some of the best tamales I've ever eaten.