The Walking Dead (AMC)

[BigRedRage]

Just watched it. FWIW, I thought the yell at the end was Rick.

Good episode. I thought having the guy who teaches Morgan aikido be named "Eastman" was a little much...

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I also wondered why he didn't use his stick against the zombie instead of essentially putting his body in the way. But the narrative seemed to indicate that he was going to die--they just rushed it in the moment.

Also did anyone else think Morgan seemed to want to leave the gate open after he leaves the W guy (as Eastman did for him) before deciding against it?

I agree about the gate at the end

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[MadCardDisease]

I finally got around to watching the episode and thought it was fantastic. Great to finally see how Morgan became the man he currently is. Really liked the Eastman character. Kind of a silly way for him to die though but I figured he was eventually a goner the minute I first saw him.

One of my favorite episodes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I finally got around to watching the episode and thought it was fantastic. Great to finally see how Morgan became the man he currently is. Really liked the Eastman character. Kind of a silly way for him to die though but I figured he was eventually a goner the minute I first saw him.

One of my favorite episodes.

agree. his death was pretty comical, but pretty much the way I expected it to go down. really liked the chemistry between Morgan and Eastman though. The episode felt like Morgan Begins... lots of similarities to the origin story in Batman where Ducard pulls Bruce Wayne from a bad place, takes him out of the metaphorical prison he's been living in his mind (and the literal one), teaching him how to channel his anger to try and make what's left of the world a better place.

actually... when I think more about it, it starts to feel like they straight ripped of a lot of beats from Batman Begins.

 

[BigRedRage]

agree. his death was pretty comical, but pretty much the way I expected it to go down. really liked the chemistry between Morgan and Eastman though. The episode felt like Morgan Begins... lots of similarities to the origin story in Batman where Ducard pulls Bruce Wayne from a bad place, takes him out of the metaphorical prison he's been living in his mind (and the literal one), teaching him how to channel his anger to try and make what's left of the world a better place.

actually... when I think more about it, it starts to feel like they straight ripped of a lot of beats from Batman Begins.

Except I enjoy Morgan in the TWD universe much mroe than I do Batman =P

 

[Chaplin]

agree. his death was pretty comical, but pretty much the way I expected it to go down. really liked the chemistry between Morgan and Eastman though. The episode felt like Morgan Begins... lots of similarities to the origin story in Batman where Ducard pulls Bruce Wayne from a bad place, takes him out of the metaphorical prison he's been living in his mind (and the literal one), teaching him how to channel his anger to try and make what's left of the world a better place.

actually... when I think more about it, it starts to feel like they straight ripped of a lot of beats from Batman Begins.

Hmm, then Eastman could become Ra's Al Ghul. Yeah!

 

[NJCardFan]

Hmm, then Eastman could become Ra's Al Ghul. Yeah!

Only is the grave he was buried in is the Lazarus Pit.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Great actor for a villainous role, IMHO.

https://twitter.com/garretdillahunt/status/661288042011856897

 

[Cheesebeef]

so... the resolution to the big Rick cliffhanger surrounded by walkers in a Winny that wouldn't stop was... NOTHING?!

I mean... I'm flabbergasted right now. I kept alternately thinking "did I miss an entire episode" or "they have to show some kind of flashback in the episode to how Rick got out of his predicament that will explain how he's come back to normal now"... but nope. nada, nothing. just flabbergasted.

 

[devilalum]

so... the resolution to the big Rick cliffhanger surrounded by walkers in a Winny that wouldn't stop was... NOTHING?!

I mean... I'm flabbergasted right now. I kept alternately thinking "did I miss an entire episode" or "they have to show some kind of flashback in the episode to how Rick got out of his predicament that will explain how he's come back to normal now"... but nope. nada, nothing. just flabbergasted.

Right?!? One scene he's surrounded by zombies in an RV looking totally defeated, the next he's running up to the gate all spry and in charge?

 

[Bada0Bing]

I was just assuming they would explain it when they flashback to explain Glenn.

 

[Zeno]

so... the resolution to the big Rick cliffhanger surrounded by walkers in a Winny that wouldn't stop was... NOTHING?!

I mean... I'm flabbergasted right now. I kept alternately thinking "did I miss an entire episode" or "they have to show some kind of flashback in the episode to how Rick got out of his predicament that will explain how he's come back to normal now"... but nope. nada, nothing. just flabbergasted.

I couldn't figure that out either. Do we know for sure that the guys who attacked Rick in the RV or those waiting to ambush him outside were Wolves? Was the RV between the horde and Alexandria? How far away was he when he took off running? He managed to bandage up his badly bleeding hand pretty quickly and effectively too, all while being surrounded in an RV or while running on foot through the woods from thousands of infected.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was just assuming they would explain it when they flashback to explain Glenn.

that seems like completely bassackwards story-telling. I mean, with explaining what happened to Glenn... and doing a flashback... I get it. We don't know if he's alive so if they go back to that moment for him, it's fresh information for the viewer. But by showing Rick already alive, going back later to show HOW he escaped sucks any tension away from the situation. and that's even if they go back and show it.

at best, it's just an odd way to structure the storytelling, and at worst, it's just another really, really annoying example of extreme schmuckbait.

 

[HeavyB3]

that seems like completely bassackwards story-telling. I mean, with explaining what happened to Glenn... and doing a flashback... I get it. We don't know if he's alive so if they go back to that moment for him, it's fresh information for the viewer. But by showing Rick already alive, going back later to show HOW he escaped sucks any tension away from the situation. and that's even if they go back and show it.

at best, it's just an odd way to structure the storytelling, and at worst, it's just another really, really annoying example of extreme schmuckbait.

I thought this too. How the hell did rick escape the hundreds of walkers closing in on him?

Reminds me of last season when Glenn has like 3 walkers on top of him and then he's suddenly ok the next scene. I think the other dude helped him, but it was just an inferred action. Still, I'd have liked to have seen what happened.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I thought this too. How the hell did rick escape the hundreds of walkers closing in on him?

Reminds me of last season when Glenn has like 3 walkers on top of him and then he's suddenly ok the next scene. I think the other dude helped him, but it was just an inferred action. Still, I'd have liked to have seen what happened.

yeah... that scene you just referenced pissed me off too. Using someone swarmed by walkers as an Act Out and then literally just never explaining what happened is really, really lazy writing. It basically means nothing else going on in the show is interesting enough to end the show before the commercial break so you just easily show someone in peril. not showing them get out means you never had an idea for how to do so.

it's that kind of stuff, which they do repeatedly, which never lets this show transcend from good to great, IMO. they write themselves into corners a lot... and then instead of figuring out how to write their way out of that corner, they literally just IGNORE what they did and move on.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Jeffrey Dean Morgan Cast as Villain Negan in The Walking Dead

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/6...gan-cast-as-villain-negan-in-the-walking-dead

 

[Bada0Bing]

yeah... that scene you just referenced pissed me off too. Using someone swarmed by walkers as an Act Out and then literally just never explaining what happened is really, really lazy writing. It basically means nothing else going on in the show is interesting enough to end the show before the commercial break so you just easily show someone in peril. not showing them get out means you never had an idea for how to do so.

it's that kind of stuff, which they do repeatedly, which never lets this show transcend from good to great, IMO. they write themselves into corners a lot... and then instead of figuring out how to write their way out of that corner, they literally just IGNORE what they did and move on.

But the scene with Rick is just too big to gloss over. I'm sure there's going to be an awesome scene coming of how he escaped. Probably along with Glenn in the 2015 finally. They wanted to get back to the town so they could keep the story moving.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But the scene with Rick is just too big to gloss over. I'm sure there's going to be an awesome scene coming of how he escaped. Probably along with Glenn in the 2015 finally. They wanted to get back to the town so they could keep the story moving.

wha? rick escaping WAS the story. And showing an awesome scene after the fact when we know the outcome just sucks any tension out of it. I mean, I know that Rick is NEVER going to die in the show anyway, but to just go back and show that scene later is a truly weird story-telling decision.

 

[chickenhead]

Yeah, with the unresolved Glenn and Rick scenes, the net result is that they essentially produced two dud cliffhangers in the same episode.

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Assuming that wasn't Glenn's final scene.

I just went with it, but on second thought it's certainly an unnecessary way to do things (or not do things).

Anyway, if Negan was just cast (not that I know much about the character), I wonder if the gang will meet him while still in Alexandria, or if the end of Alexandria is the mid-season finale three episodes from now. I wouldn't be surprised if Darryl, Abraham, and Sasha return in time to help with the extraction, and Deanna poignantly goes down with the ship--both dying for her dream but also doing what needs to be done for the rest of their survival.

 

[Folster]

IMO, the writers missed a huge opportunity to have a powerful moment and have walker Glenn meet Maggie at the sewer gate. Imagine him reaching in through the gate to touch her while she loses it. Would have been epic!

I suppose a chance meeting would have been too improbable, but much better than the likely outcome that we will see Glenn still alive.

The sewer walkers were pretty cool, except for the fact that Maggie somehow forgot to kill them.

I agree about all of the plot holes that are forming. Why show Rick surounded if you are just going to gloss over it. I imagine a scene was shot but was left on the cutting room floor. If that was the case then they should have left out the RV scene altogether.

 

[Cheesebeef]

IMO, the writers missed a huge opportunity to have a powerful moment and have walker Glenn meet Maggie at the sewer gate. Imagine him reaching in through the gate to touch her while she loses it. Would have been epic!

I suppose a chance meeting would have been too improbable, but much better than the likely outcome that we will see Glenn still alive.

The sewer walkers were pretty cool, except for the fact that Maggie somehow forgot to kill them.

ha... seriously.

I agree about all of the plot holes that are forming. Why show Rick surounded if you are just going to gloss over it. I imagine a scene was shot but was left on the cutting room floor. If that was the case then they should have left out the RV scene altogether.

right? It wasn't like that episode with the RV surrounded didn't already have a completely gnarly moment to go out on with what looked like Glenn's death.

and I

 

[BigRedRage]

so... the resolution to the big Rick cliffhanger surrounded by walkers in a Winny that wouldn't stop was... NOTHING?!

I mean... I'm flabbergasted right now. I kept alternately thinking "did I miss an entire episode" or "they have to show some kind of flashback in the episode to how Rick got out of his predicament that will explain how he's come back to normal now"... but nope. nada, nothing. just flabbergasted.

Right?!? One scene he's surrounded by zombies in an RV looking totally defeated, the next he's running up to the gate all spry and in charge?

That was a bit unexpected, if he just got out and ran it isn't much to flash back to though

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[BigRedRage]

I saw a few comments around the internet about how many people disliked this episode. It was slower than the rest have been but they always have these character episodes where you watch people transform into a position of strength or weakness and dying. I thought it was entertaining and think all hell will break loose over the next three episodes.

I agree the sewer zombies were awesome.

More pregnancy is a route I'm not a fan of but you do have to procreate still or your story will be the final one in the apocalypse.

At the end, that was a crack right? It almost looked like blood too even on a rewatch.

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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At the end, that was a crack right? It almost looked like blood too even on a rewatch.

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That's my guess, the sheer weight of a thousand walkers is compromising the integrity of the wall.

 

[BigRedRage]

Oh yeah, that "fight" between the kid and Carl was weak! I busted up laughing when the kid started coughing

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[chickenhead]

That's my guess, the sheer weight of a thousand walkers is compromising the integrity of the wall.

Yeah, it was a little hard to see, but that must be it. At first I wondered if it was an Alexandrian who's been killed on top of the wall and they were going to pan up, but I guess it was just undead smushing.

I know there are wooden supports, but I wonder if this is a case where they might be able to douse walkers with a little fuel and light them up without the wall melting. Maybe that would be a way to clear an escape path at least.