There are 3 Top 10 RT's on an Ice Cold Market Right Now

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LOL. Even I never threatened to meet K9 outside :)

Its all good. Lets not take ourselves too seriously. Message boards are for opinions and when you have strong ones, there is going to be dissent.

As long as it doesnt go too far over the line (and I imagine Ihave treaded that line from time to time) then like Ken said, its the internet. Trying being somone famous on Twitter. Its ten times worse.

Seriously!!

Take @MikeBiggiz for instance. He is not famous on twitter, but still getting talked about.
 

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In the last 8 games Massey gave up ZERO sacks. What do we need with these retreads. Many teams needing to upgrade lines not one is being invited to team offices. This guy must play.

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Wow, that escalated quickly. A couple of things about this first:

1. I do talk to people "like that" to their face, and no, I don't get my teeth kicked in.

2. This is 2013, not 2003. We should all have developed think enough internet-skin to handle something like I said to Bodha.

If that was a personal threat, let me know. I'm off today so I have time to meet up so you can put me in my place.

Now, the reason I came after Bodha in such a manner is that I'm a bit of a "gunny sacker" when it comes to posting. I don't post 99.9% of the responses I start to type because I ask myself "what am I bringing to the conversation that hasn't been said already?"

First I read something like this: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2820644&postcount=120 which is a pretty ignorant statement to make, essentially condoning driving while impaired, then I read his comment saying that "Massie is a mauler"...which he isn't. He already got called out for saying that driving stoned is 100% safe it in that thread, so I didn't feel the need to pile on. I decided to do it here.



I base my opinion of this from actually watching him play coupled with my experience of playing the game for 12 years of my life, not from interpreting something I read on a website somewhere, or their respective Madden ratings.

Want to change my mind? Cite a reference or post a link.

With that said, let Bodha come back and tell me to shut up or report me. So be it. I'll have forgotten about this thread by noon today anyway. I've said what I've felt I needed to say.

I typically shy away from discussing individual players since I have no film to point to in order to make my point. But I made an exception in this case for the above stated reasons.



Me too, as I'm sure most of us would. We have some extra cap space at the moment, so if it fits "the plan", why not?

Clabo may be available for a 1 year ( relatively inexpensive) contract, but he's not that much better than the Massie we saw in weeks 14-17. Winston would be a definite upgrade, but he'll probably demand bigger money with more years. Going that route would require more of a commitment than I believe the Cardinals are willing to make, if they're truly committed to continuing to develop Massie.
There is several people on here who seem to go too far and insult people unnessisarly. Your not usually one of them. Maybe you didn't mean it that way. I just get tired of the insults.

I love comming here to discuss ideas and learn from many people much smarter than me around here.
 

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Demarcus Ware wouldn't make it this far into FA. Makes you wonder why teams aren't going for these guys.

Are you kidding? Demarcus Ware is a top 5 player at any position. Those players listed above are only arguably top 5 of their own position.
 

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There is several people on here who seem to go too far and insult people unnessisarly. Your not usually one of them. Maybe you didn't mean it that way. I just get tired of the insults.

I love comming here to discuss ideas and learn from many people much smarter than me around here.

He's never "one of them" and I don't think he was here either. He was very blunt but AFAIC that goes with the territory if you frequently state your opinion authoritatively as the OP does. There is nothing wrong with holding strong opinions but when you state outright that Massie "is a great run blocker", those of us that saw nothing of the sort tend to respond in kind.

But I agree with you, I hang around here to learn from people that know a lot more about the game than I do.

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Wow, that escalated quickly. A couple of things about this first:

1. I do talk to people "like that" to their face, and no, I don't get my teeth kicked in.

2. This is 2013, not 2003. We should all have developed think enough internet-skin to handle something like I said to Bodha.

If that was a personal threat, let me know. I'm off today so I have time to meet up so you can put me in my place.

Now, the reason I came after Bodha in such a manner is that I'm a bit of a "gunny sacker" when it comes to posting. I don't post 99.9% of the responses I start to type because I ask myself "what am I bringing to the conversation that hasn't been said already?"

First I read something like this: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2820644&postcount=120 which is a pretty ignorant statement to make, essentially condoning driving while impaired, then I read his comment saying that "Massie is a mauler"...which he isn't. He already got called out for saying that driving stoned is 100% safe it in that thread, so I didn't feel the need to pile on. I decided to do it here.



I base my opinion of this from actually watching him play coupled with my experience of playing the game for 12 years of my life, not from interpreting something I read on a website somewhere, or their respective Madden ratings.

Want to change my mind? Cite a reference or post a link.

With that said, let Bodha come back and tell me to shut up or report me. So be it. I'll have forgotten about this thread by noon today anyway. I've said what I've felt I needed to say.

I typically shy away from discussing individual players since I have no film to point to in order to make my point. But I made an exception in this case for the above stated reasons.



Me too, as I'm sure most of us would. We have some extra cap space at the moment, so if it fits "the plan", why not?

Clabo may be available for a 1 year ( relatively inexpensive) contract, but he's not that much better than the Massie we saw in weeks 14-17. Winston would be a definite upgrade, but he'll probably demand bigger money with more years. Going that route would require more of a commitment than I believe the Cardinals are willing to make, if they're truly committed to continuing to develop Massie.

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Are you talking about Joeckle, Fisher and Johnson? They are LTs, not RTs.

Clabo, Andre and EW are RT's. And yes, it is a bad year to be a free agent tackle. And the greatest to be a team in need of Oline upgrades....




Youre stretching it a bit. He played better in the 2nd half, but does that mean we forget the 1st half where he graded out as the worst RT in the NFL?


Like I said, we dont know if Massie will improve. We can hope so. OR we could be 100% sure that Palmer is safe and take one of these proven guys.


Also, hows picking up a lockdown RT on the cheap a waste of money?




Why part with a valuable 3rd? Take Clabo or Winston, move Massie to RG, take Fisher, move Levi to LG and out line is darn near elite.

This I agree with.
 

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That is because you have no teeth.


YOU ARE A JERK!!



Now that is not fair, you were glasses. You can't hit someone with glasses.



Then why do you post at all?




I got nothin'


Show off


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Massie?

Love you Ken!!

You leave my man-love for Massie out of this!

You lose! Good day sir!

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Now THAT'S funny!
 

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Are you kidding? Demarcus Ware is a top 5 player at any position. Those players listed above are only arguably top 5 of their own position.

I think you misread my post. I said Ware wouldn't still be available (because he's an elite and dominant player). The OTs Bodha listed are still available (presumably because they aren't elite, dominant players).
 
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Andre Smith is a top 3.
Tyson Clabo is a top 10.
Eric Winston was a top 5 2 years ago. Hes probably still top 10.


The market is Ice Cold, so worrying about affording these guys isnt an issue. We could pickup a premier RT for a huge discount.

*Massie* - We could either hope and wait to see if Massie turns into our RT OTF, or sign a proven, plug and forget-about-him, lockdown Rt, right now. What if Massie doesnt improve? Do you think Palmer can survive the littany of sacks?

Id rather get a sure thing.

Besides, you can put him at guard, and hed thrive because hes a great run blocker. Thatd open up the draft so much. We could go get Warmack and have 2 lockdown G's and 2 solid T's.OR we could go after the best pass rusher available.


I say going after one of these RT's would be such a win for us.


and ask Kolb if RT is less important than a LT. A sacks a sack.

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Also, after the draft, the market will heat up. We need to strike now. The moment one of them signs, the price on the other 2 go up. Supply and demand. First movers.


And I agree with the 'battle it out', competition is always a good thing. But I feel like guys dont understand who these 3 guys are. If Demarcus Ware was a FA right now with no teams calling him, wouldnt you be beating down his door? Theres no difference here. Each of these 3 guys would instantly become our best Olineman the second we signed them. There wouldnt be much of a battle. Each of these guys are studs. Wed be so lucky to get any of them.

See bb's response below.

As Jureki has pointed out, we will address the OL in the draft first and then hit the free agent market. These players will not be signed between now and then since most teams are in the same boat. The plan has worked well so far, lets see how the rest of the month works out. Knee jerk reactions do nothing but set you back in the long run.

So congrats with calling for one of your top RT's getting signed by the Cards.

The smug popcorn eating attachment forced me to add the above quoted sections.

I did read the entire thread and it had a lot of good comments and thoughts from a bunch of posters so thanks for bumping the thread.
 

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See bb's response below.



So congrats with calling for one of your top RT's getting signed by the Cards.

The smug popcorn eating attachment forced me to add the above quoted sections.

I did read the entire thread and it had a lot of good comments and thoughts from a bunch of posters so thanks for bumping the thread.

One is for me, the other is for Jurecki. ;)

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