Top HC Candidates

[Veer]

That the Cards interviewed Bettcher for the HC position is a message to whoever gets the job that they think highly of him. If the new guy is an Offensive specialist, I want him worrying about that side of the ball in 2018.

My thoughts too. Bettcher isn't a huge ego guy like Ray Horton was. He should know that he won't become a HC anytime soon, and probably not even land a DC somewhere else right now. Overall, Bettcher did a good job with a young unit and got better as the season went on. We for sure will start over on offense, so having continuity on defense would be a plus if the new HC is offensive-minded with no clear DC candidate in petto. If this business relationship between offensive HC and DC Bettcher works, then great for everyone. If our defense struggles, we can fire Bettcher and start over on defense. I'm saying this and I'm not even a huge fan of Bettcher. Just think our defense is headed in the right direction and rebuilding offense + defense would be too much.

 

[Solar7]

My thoughts too. Bettcher isn't a huge ego guy like Ray Horton was. He should know that he won't become a HC anytime soon, and probably not even land a DC somewhere else right now. Overall, Bettcher did a good job with a young unit and got better as the season went on. We for sure will start over on offense, so having continuity on defense would be a plus if the new HC is offensive-minded with no clear DC candidate in petto. If this business relationship between offensive HC and DC Bettcher works, then great for everyone. If our defense struggles, we can fire Bettcher and start over on defense. I'm saying this and I'm not even a huge fan of Bettcher. Just think our defense is headed in the right direction and rebuilding offense + defense would be too much.

I know you said you don't like buddy hires, but honestly I think it's pretty important for the coaches to be friends, or at least respect each other, so the locker room doesn't fall apart and take sides in the case of one side being more effective than the other.

It'd be a nightmare scenario if we were to bring on Shurmur or DeFilippo and they were forced to retain Bettcher against their wishes - especially if the offense ends up sputtering like there's a very real risk of right now. Now, if they find they have the same philosophy as Bettcher and don't have a DC in mind specifically, then let them work it out and grow together.

 

[Cards Czar]

Chicago has hired Matt Nagy OC from the KC Chiefs as their new Head Coach.

https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-turn...nator-matt-nagy-new-head-coach-170531071.html

 

[Ronin]

Josh Weinfuss‏Verified account@joshweinfuss 3m3 minutes ago
Josh Weinfuss Retweeted Josina Anderson

Looks like Wilks will be in Arizona on Wednesday to meet with the Cardinals.

 

[Veer]

I know you said you don't like buddy hires, but honestly I think it's pretty important for the coaches to be friends, or at least respect each other, so the locker room doesn't fall apart and take sides in the case of one side being more effective than the other.

It'd be a nightmare scenario if we were to bring on Shurmur or DeFilippo and they were forced to retain Bettcher against their wishes - especially if the offense ends up sputtering like there's a very real risk of right now. Now, if they find they have the same philosophy as Bettcher and don't have a DC in mind specifically, then let them work it out and grow together.

Every relationship has to start at some point. Our new HC and Bettcher could become buddies fast enough if they mesh well. It's not out of question to retain staff from the previous HC, especially if he wasn't run out of town but just chose to retire. Our biggest issue is offense. All offensive positions other than RB need an overhaul. That a huge task for a new HC, and it would be nice to have a stable defense during the transition period. It's not like Bettcher is a defensive genius or that our defense is elite, but at least they are trending in the right direction.

 

[Solar7]

Every relationship has to start at some point. Our new HC and Bettcher could become buddies fast enough if they mesh well. It's not out of question to retain staff from the previous HC, especially if he wasn't run out of town but just chose to retire. Our biggest issue is offense. All offensive positions other than RB need an overhaul. That a huge task for a new HC, and it would be nice to have a stable defense during the transition period. It's not like Bettcher is a defensive genius or that our defense is elite, but at least they are trending in the right direction.

I was more just responding to your idea that you'd rather have a business relationship with coaches instead of a buddy system, although maybe I was thinking of the wrong poster. I don't think it's impossible for coaches to learn to mesh.

But yes, the offense is going to have a very new look. However, some of the OL might be alright with guys returning from injury. Keep them healthy, and we've got a chance.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

So many flaws in the defense still. Lack of contain, poor zones and weak on the perimeter versus screens.

Just to name a few. There is no way the FO should push him on the new HC. If I was applying for the position I'm bringing in all my guys that are loyal to me and getting rid of the old coaches. Too many bad habits have been built up to allow it get worse.

 

[CardsFan88]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...iewing-armstrong-today-want-to-talk-to-wilks/

The Cardinals have already interviewed seven candidates, meeting last week with Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia and linebackers coach Brian Flores, Steelers offensive line coach Mike Munchak, Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, and in-house defensive coordinator James Bettcher.

For counting purposes, we've done 7 interviews so far.

 

[oaken1]

I think the Bettcher interview was a professional courtesy out of respect for BA... some say the defense got better towards the end of the season,...yeah?? Last season ended too, so did the season before that... funny how the defense gets better once there is nothing on the line but player contracts.... the fact that the pressure and defensive intensity increases when there is nothing left to lose shows thats when he is coaching to keep his job, just like some players are playing to keep their jobs.
also,...it seamed that every player we had who was outspoken on the defense got shown the door...all the hyper aggressive "attitude" guys,...one and done... and we all know this team needs that attitude on defense...that defensive attitude is what provides the impact plays,...the INT or sack not in garbage time but when the game is actually on the line the fact they continually send those guys walking tells me Betch has a weak personality. Maybe he still finds some of these guys intimidating?

If they actually want to keep the kid as DC for the next coach he should have to interview for the job just like anybody else. Have him prepare a powerpoint and same game films and explain his defensive philosophies and system to the boss he is hoping to work for.

To use Mitch's word.... Gravitas.... I dont think Bettch has it right now. I do think he is a pretty smart kid that has a good grasp on schemes... but I also think he needs more time to stew, needs to hit "**** it" and start taking chances to make his name in the league... not after the season is over but right from the get go... Thats what Bowles did... I also think Bettch needs to spend more time as a coordinator to earn respect,.. his relative youth combined with a mild mannered disposition is not conducive to commanding respect as a leader of pro athletes... Just look at what hitting "***** it" did for Wade Wilson.

 

[sdscard4]

I think the Bettcher interview was a professional courtesy out of respect for BA... some say the defense got better towards the end of the season,...yeah?? Last season ended too, so did the season before that... funny how the defense gets better once there is nothing on the line but player contracts.... the fact that the pressure and defensive intensity increases when there is nothing left to lose shows thats when he is coaching to keep his job, just like some players are playing to keep their jobs.
also,...it seamed that every player we had who was outspoken on the defense got shown the door...all the hyper aggressive "attitude" guys,...one and done... and we all know this team needs that attitude on defense...that defensive attitude is what provides the impact plays,...the INT or sack not in garbage time but when the game is actually on the line the fact they continually send those guys walking tells me Betch has a weak personality. Maybe he still finds some of these guys intimidating?

If they actually want to keep the kid as DC for the next coach he should have to interview for the job just like anybody else. Have him prepare a powerpoint and same game films and explain his defensive philosophies and system to the boss he is hoping to work for.

To use Mitch's word.... Gravitas.... I dont think Bettch has it right now. I do think he is a pretty smart kid that has a good grasp on schemes... but I also think he needs more time to stew, needs to hit "**** it" and start taking chances to make his name in the league... not after the season is over but right from the get go... Thats what Bowles did... I also think Bettch needs to spend more time as a coordinator to earn respect,.. his relative youth combined with a mild mannered disposition is not conducive to commanding respect as a leader of pro athletes... Just look at what hitting "***** it" did for Wade Wilson.

I think he's the front runner. They have no reason to do anything for Bruce. That movie is over. None of these current options are impressive. Esp if it's NE or Pitt VS Atlanta in SB.
McD is the coordinator from NE we need. If that can't happen In Bettch I trust

 

[sdscard4]

Wilks is a joke. Brees chewed him up and spit him out. Patricia is good why? Cause he wears Roger the Clown shirts? Looks like a caveman? Please everyone knows that D is all Belly. I want Run BMC
Bettch
McCoy
Chuck

 

[crisper57]

To use Mitch's word.... Gravitas.... I dont think Bettch has it right now. I do think he is a pretty smart kid that has a good grasp on schemes... but I also think he needs more time to stew, needs to hit "**** it" and start taking chances to make his name in the league... not after the season is over but right from the get go... Thats what Bowles did... I also think Bettch needs to spend more time as a coordinator to earn respect,.. his relative youth combined with a mild mannered disposition is not conducive to commanding respect as a leader of pro athletes... Just look at what hitting "***** it" did for Wade Wilson.

I can't tell with the ****** what Deadpool has to do with any of this.

 

[oaken1]

I can't tell with the ****** what Deadpool has to do with any of this.

remember when the guy gave wade the card?? ... and Wade said, "Maybe I will hit **** It"....and when he finally hit "**** it"... they turned him from wade wilson into deadpool....
he took a chance and it paid off big time.

"screw it"

 

[crisper57]

remember when the guy gave wade the card?? ... and Wade said, "Maybe I will hit **** It"....and when he finally hit "**** it"... they turned him from wade wilson into deadpool....
he took a chance and it paid off big time.

"screw it"

Ahhhh. Okay. Stupid censorship. I was really trying to figure out the word to make the connection! ad libs from hell.

 

[TheCardFan]

Wilks is a joke. Brees chewed him up and spit him out. Patricia is good why? Cause he wears Roger the Clown shirts? Looks like a caveman? Please everyone knows that D is all Belly. I want Run BMC
Bettch
McCoy
Chuck

IMHO - Wilks is more about his leadership potential vs his coordinating. He has only been a coordinator for 1 year in the last 17 years or so. Again, this is very similar to Mike Tomlin. Wilks has been the assistant head coach for the past 3 years. I am not pro or con Wilks...just pointing it out.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Wilks is a joke. Brees chewed him up and spit him out. Patricia is good why? Cause he wears Roger the Clown shirts? Looks like a caveman? Please everyone knows that D is all Belly. I want Run BMC
Bettch
McCoy
Chuck

You just might get that if the well starts running dry like it did in 2013.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the Bettcher interview was a professional courtesy out of respect for BA... some say the defense got better towards the end of the season,...yeah?? Last season ended too, so did the season before that... funny how the defense gets better once there is nothing on the line but player contracts.... the fact that the pressure and defensive intensity increases when there is nothing left to lose shows thats when he is coaching to keep his job, just like some players are playing to keep their jobs.
also,...it seamed that every player we had who was outspoken on the defense got shown the door...all the hyper aggressive "attitude" guys,...one and done... and we all know this team needs that attitude on defense...that defensive attitude is what provides the impact plays,...the INT or sack not in garbage time but when the game is actually on the line the fact they continually send those guys walking tells me Betch has a weak personality. Maybe he still finds some of these guys intimidating?

If they actually want to keep the kid as DC for the next coach he should have to interview for the job just like anybody else. Have him prepare a powerpoint and same game films and explain his defensive philosophies and system to the boss he is hoping to work for.

To use Mitch's word.... Gravitas.... I dont think Bettch has it right now. I do think he is a pretty smart kid that has a good grasp on schemes... but I also think he needs more time to stew, needs to hit "**** it" and start taking chances to make his name in the league... not after the season is over but right from the get go... Thats what Bowles did... I also think Bettch needs to spend more time as a coordinator to earn respect,.. his relative youth combined with a mild mannered disposition is not conducive to commanding respect as a leader of pro athletes... Just look at what hitting "***** it" did for Wade Wilson.

ALL of this

 

[Gandhi]

IMHO - Wilks is more about his leadership potential vs his coordinating. He has only been a coordinator for 1 year in the last 17 years or so. Again, this is very similar to Mike Tomlin. Wilks has been the assistant head coach for the past 3 years. I am not pro or con Wilks...just pointing it out.

This is very correct. Unless a head coach wants to call his own plays, it really doesn’t matter that much how he has done as a coordinator, and I doubt that many first-time head coaches wants to put that extra pressure and work on themselves. Being a head coach is much more about keeping the staff and the squad unified, to motivate the players, to take some of the very hard decisions, and overall having the big overview and responsibility of the entire team.

That is also why I don’t understand that some posters discuss the previous success of some of the candidates as coordinators. Obviously, they will probably have some input on the schemes and playcalls, but it’s basically irrelevant if they are bringing coordinators with them.

 

[Veer]

This is very correct. Unless a head coach wants to call his own plays, it really doesn’t matter that much how he has done as a coordinator, and I doubt that many first-time head coaches wants to put that extra pressure and work on themselves. Being a head coach is much more about keeping the staff and the squad unified, to motivate the players, to take some of the very hard decisions, and overall having the big overview and responsibility of the entire team.

That is also why I don’t understand that some posters discuss the previous success of some of the candidates as coordinators. Obviously, they will probably have some input on the schemes and playcalls, but it’s basically irrelevant if they are bringing coordinators with them.

That's 100% true. I would love the Falcons special teams coach Armstrong to become our next HC. He for sure has a great understanding of leadership, motivation, game flow, clock management and so on. With stellar special teams play we'd have made the playoffs the last 2 seasons, believe it or not. Our bad ST play is easily like 2 extra turnovers per game, which you can't survive very often.

That said, our offense is rock bottom right now. If it wasn't for David Johnson we'd rank dead last on offense going into the offseason. We don't need a good offensive mind but a GREAT one to get us back on track. No WRs other than Fitz who could retire, no OL other than maybe Humphries who is injury-prone. But most importantly no QB, neither a young one to develop nor a veteran bridge QB. In order for us to get a GREAT offensive coach, we are basically forced to make him our next HC. So I'd love a guy like Armstrong or Wilks as our next HC, who have great personality and leadership. But at the same time I understand in order to get our offense going, we'll most likely hire an offensive HC. It was basically the same when BA was hired.

 

[sdscard4]

God just reading about Shurmer and his 2 seasons. Not good at all. Year 2 was 1 win better but seemed like the team still went backwards. He also is responsible for drafting Weeden. I'm just not liking him as our coach at all

 

[Ronin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

After finishing his Giants’ HC interview, Panthers’ DC Steve Wilks is traveling to Arizona to interview for Cardinals’ HC job, per source.

 

[Gandhi]

That said, our offense is rock bottom right now. If it wasn't for David Johnson we'd rank dead last on offense going into the offseason. We don't need a good offensive mind but a GREAT one to get us back on track. No WRs other than Fitz who could retire, no OL other than maybe Humphries who is injury-prone. But most importantly no QB, neither a young one to develop nor a veteran bridge QB. In order for us to get a GREAT offensive coach, we are basically forced to make him our next HC. So I'd love a guy like Armstrong or Wilks as our next HC, who have great personality and leadership. But at the same time I understand in order to get our offense going, we'll most likely hire an offensive HC. It was basically the same when BA was hired.

I completely understand what you are saying, Veer, but I guess you are talking about highly proven coaches like, for instance, Shurmur? I tend to believe that it could be done with a very good offensive coordinator, and maybe even a bit of an unknown like Ray Horton or Todd Bowles were at least to me before they were hired. That is why I share your thinking that Armstrong or Wilks could be fascinating and interesting hires, and I also agree that in the end they will likely hire an offensive minded head coach.

 

[Ronin]

Mike Jurecki‏Verified account@mikejurecki 3m3 minutes ago
The #AZCardinals have interviewed nine different candidates, the second round of interviews could take place after the weekend?
James Bettcher
Pat Shurmur
Jim Schwartz
John DeFilippo
Brian Flores
Matt Patricia
Mike Munchak
Keith Armstrong
Steve Wilks

 

[WisconsinCard]

Mike Jurecki‏Verified account@mikejurecki 3m3 minutes ago
The #AZCardinals have interviewed nine different candidates, the second round of interviews could take place after the weekend?
James Bettcher
Pat Shurmur
Jim Schwartz
John DeFilippo
Brian Flores
Matt Patricia
Mike Munchak
Keith Armstrong
Steve Wilks

Heck that seems like everybody they interviewed...

 

[Ronin]

@Mitch I know you wanted us to take a look at Gregg Knapp. Well he just got snatched up by another team.

Atlanta Falcons‏Verified account@AtlantaFalcons 4m4 minutes ago
We have hired Greg Knapp as our quarterbacks coach.

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