Trade Deadline Thread

[Mainstreet]

The only trade that might happen that would particularly help our draft position involves Bledsoe. And trading Knight, as pleasant as that idea sounds, is the worst thing we can do as far as our draft position goes. I don't know how many wins he's cost us this season but I suspect 10 is a safe guess. If we want to lose, we need to play Knight 30+ minutes per game and some extra minutes for Jones and Bender when he returns would help too.

I'm prepared to be shocked, but I have seen no indicators the Suns want to trade Bledsoe.

Maybe the Suns can include Knight in a trade that involves another player(s) such as Warren, Tucker or Chandler.

Think mega trade.... I wish.

Maybe not even a little trade but Gambo said the chances of a trade are 75%.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm prepared to be shocked, but I have seen no indicators the Suns want to trade Bledsoe.

Maybe the Suns can include Knight in a trade that involves another player(s) such as Warren, Tucker or Chandler.

Think mega trade.... I wish.

Maybe not even a little trade but Gambo said the chances of a trade are 75%.

I really have no idea what we're going to do. I doubt we move Eric but who knows? But I strongly believe that if we move Knight, we're going to win at a much higher rate once he's gone and that's even if the trade includes both Tucker and Chandler.

 

[GatorAZ]

I just don't want to watch the same 12 guys again for the rest of the season.

 

[pokerface]

Lot of buzz about Tucker... Moving him should be the minimum we do.

After the break I wish we'd play the heck out of Len and Knight but I get the feeling that won't happen.

 

[Errntknght]

I wish. We'll finish closer to 10th than 4th if we make no changes. We aren't fending off the Kings unless we move Bledsoe and we aren't fending off the Lakers even if we trade Bledsoe, Chandler and Tucker IMO.

I don't think its that bad... Assuming we beat every team that is known to be tanking, which is Bkn, Orl, Sac and LAL we should end up with only 27 wins. I'm not sure Sac is going to tank that successfully, the players will likely be more motivated to win now with Boogie gone - and we have six full games on them so they'll have to lose all but 2 games to overtake us. I'd bet that we wind up with at least the sixth most ping pong balls. And 4th is not improbable.

I'm assuming we will continue playing like we have been so far, whether that's tanking or not, I'm not sure.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Lot of buzz about Tucker... Moving him should be the minimum we do.

After the break I wish we'd play the heck out of Len and Knight but I get the feeling that won't happen.

If all we did was trade Tucker this team would instantly be worse. He's one of the few guys on the team that actually plays defense.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just don't want to watch the same 12 guys again for the rest of the season.

I've been thinking the same thing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I really have no idea what we're going to do. I doubt we move Eric but who knows? But I strongly believe that if we move Knight, we're going to win at a much higher rate once he's gone and that's even if the trade includes both Tucker and Chandler.

I would trade Knight anytime if the Suns do not have to give up significant assets. My fear is he might cost the Suns a first round draft pick sometime down the road.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think its that bad... Assuming we beat every team that is known to be tanking, which is Bkn, Orl, Sac and LAL we should end up with only 27 wins. I'm not sure Sac is going to tank that successfully, the players will likely be more motivated to win now with Boogie gone - and we have six full games on them so they'll have to lose all but 2 games to overtake us. I'd bet that we wind up with at least the sixth most ping pong balls. And 4th is not improbable.

I'm assuming we will continue playing like we have been so far, whether that's tanking or not, I'm not sure.

We'll see. As I've been saying, if we maintain the status quo (minus Knight) I think we finish with at least 30 wins. I hope I'm wrong because it's starting to look like we won't be making any big moves.

 

[pokerface]

If all we did was trade Tucker this team would instantly be worse. He's one of the few guys on the team that actually plays defense.

That's exactly how I see it...It's almost a no brainer "tank move" that he should go. It probably won't be enough to keep our spot but enough to maybe garnish a top five pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If all we did was trade Tucker this team would instantly be worse. He's one of the few guys on the team that actually plays defense.

isn't that the point... plus getting another possible asset like a first rounder? If they could get a first rounder for tucker while getting worse on the court and bettering their chances in the lottery, it's a no-brainer.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

isn't that the point... plus getting another possible asset like a first rounder? If they could get a first rounder for tucker while getting worse on the court and bettering their chances in the lottery, it's a no-brainer.

That's exactly the point. I was just referring to pokerface's comment that suggested that moving Tucker wouldn't be enough for our lottery chances, but I think it helps those chances quite a bit.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We'll see. As I've been saying, if we maintain the status quo (minus Knight) I think we finish with at least 30 wins. I hope I'm wrong because it's starting to look like we won't be making any big moves.

With all due respect Steve, you seem to over-estimate this team... A LOT. I think you even thought the Tragic/Bledsoe/Thomas team was somehow going to win 55 games.

Reality is for all this talk of the team playing better basketball lately... they're still 3-7 in their last ten games, playing pretty much right at their .316 winning percentage.

And the even starker reality is... that this team as currently constructed just FLAT OUT SUCKS. And they need to continue to suck as much as possible right now to get a chance at a game-changer in a draft with a couple potential game-changers. Whatever it takes to make that happen, they should do.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's exactly the point. I was just referring to pokerface's comment that suggested that moving Tucker wouldn't be enough for our lottery chances, but I think it helps those chances quite a bit.

ah... my bad.

 

[pokerface]

I would trade Knight anytime if the Suns do not have to give up significant assets. My fear is he might cost the Suns a first round draft pick sometime down the road.

For the time being Brandon could be a useful tank tool If Watson has the guts (or brains) to bench Bledsoe more often in favor of playing Knight. Plus that would save wear and tear on Bled.

We need to be ruthless in our tanking ways!

 

[pokerface]

That's exactly the point. I was just referring to pokerface's comment that suggested that moving Tucker wouldn't be enough for our lottery chances, but I think it helps those chances quite a bit.

Uhh..That wasn't me. Maybe it was AzStevenCal. I think dumping Tucker is an excellent tank move. Other teams are tanking as well though...

 

[sunsfan88]

I think McDonough has a good chance at getting fired if he does nothing and teams like the Lakers/Magic/Kings etc pass us to the bottom and end up with better picks and we get some 2nd tier prospect after all the losing this season.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Uhh..That wasn't me. Maybe it was AzStevenCal. I think dumping Tucker is an excellent tank move. Other teams are tanking as well though...

"Lot of buzz about Tucker... Moving him should be the minimum we do."

I took that as meaning we will need to do more. Granted it wouldn't hurt, but I think Tucker will be a pretty significant tank move.

 

[pokerface]

"Lot of buzz about Tucker... Moving him should be the minimum we do."

I took that as meaning we will need to do more. Granted it wouldn't hurt, but I think Tucker will be a pretty significant tank move.

Well I was hoping we'd move Chandler too...

 

[leclerc]

I just don't want to watch the same 12 guys again for the rest of the season.

Especially with how Watson is handling his rotations (or Sarver's).

 

[AzStevenCal]

With all due respect Steve, you seem to over-estimate this team... A LOT. I think you even thought the Tragic/Bledsoe/Thomas team was somehow going to win 55 games.

Reality is for all this talk of the team playing better basketball lately... they're still 3-7 in their last ten games, playing pretty much right at their .316 winning percentage.

And the even starker reality is... that this team as currently constructed just FLAT OUT SUCKS. And they need to continue to suck as much as possible right now to get a chance at a game-changer in a draft with a couple potential game-changers. Whatever it takes to make that happen, they should do.

I really don't remember but I'm sure I thought they'd do well and I wouldn't be shocked to find out I put that as the upper limit of what they could do. I still think they had the talent to win somewhere around 50 games but you never know in advance how they'll come together. I've been on both sides of it, I'm certainly not always correct but I'm not embarrassed by my track record.

As for this season, just to be clear, I'm not saying we're a great team or destined for a playoff spot. I just think the only reason we haven't played near a .500 pace is due to Brandon Knight. If we keep the team intact (or mostly intact) and we take Knight out of the rotation, I absolutely expect us to win roughly 12 more games this season.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Uhh..That wasn't me. Maybe it was AzStevenCal. I think dumping Tucker is an excellent tank move. Other teams are tanking as well though...

I wouldn't want you to do down in flames on my position, I'm sure that was me. And I don't think the loss of Tucker will be all that big of a deal. He helps, he hurts. I think he hurts us far more than a lot of posters here believe. Maybe we'll see.

 

[GatorAZ]

I think McDonough has a good chance at getting fired if he does nothing and teams like the Lakers/Magic/Kings etc pass us to the bottom and end up with better picks and we get some 2nd tier prospect after all the losing this season.

He's in the last year of his deal. I figure if Sarver was committed to the rebuild then McD wouldn't feel pressured to do something drastic. T-Minus 15 hours and counting.

 

[sunsfan88]

As for this season, just to be clear, I'm not saying we're a great team or destined for a playoff spot. I just think the only reason we haven't played near a .500 pace is due to Brandon Knight. If we keep the team intact (or mostly intact) and we take Knight out of the rotation, I absolutely expect us to win roughly 12 more games this season.

Are you suggesting that we should keep Knight just so that he can help us lose games?

That's hilarious but it might also be true.

 

[pokerface]

Are you suggesting that we should keep Knight just so that he can help us lose games?

That's hilarious but it might also be true.

I don't know if he's saying that but I am. Why not use Knight for his exceptional tanking abilities? What do the Suns get out of trading him now?? They can deal him this summer if they are so inclined but USE HIM NOW.