Trade talks & rumors

[sunsfan88]

If he were here, would he be neutralized by the obsession the Suns maintain for surrounding one "big" with small/light players.

When you really think about it, would Jeff change course and have two big men on the court together? I don't think "yes" is a given.

Your right but at least we will still have one very good rebounding big on the floor at all times even if we continue with small ball.

 

[Errntknght]

Paying the max for Monroe would be a mistake now, IMO - he does help a lot with rebounding but his defense at the rim is worse than Markieff's - his shooting percentage against is in the bottom quarter for all PFs. He might up his defensive game with Smith out of the way but his stats don't reflect that yet. If they improve markedly then he might be worth it. A side note - the Pistons new acquisition Anthony Tolliver is dead last among PFs in defense at the rim.

 

[Phrazbit]

If he were here, would he be neutralized by the obsession the Suns maintain for surrounding one "big" with small/light players.

When you really think about it, would Jeff change course and have two big men on the court together? I don't think "yes" is a given.

This is such non-sense. Last year we typically had 2 "big" men on the court because despite any opinion you might have of the players, Frye and Markieff are absolutely considered big-men and front court players. And the frequent use of 2 bigs has been in spite of the quality of the big men on the roster. Outside of the first few months of last year Plumlee has played far more minutes than his play level warrants, really only get play time because of the necessity of having a center on the court and last season Jeff even managed to find minutes for Len (when healthy) even though Len looked like he didnt know how to play basketball at the time.

If anything the evidence shows that its a given that Hornacek would play more bigs if he had talent ones.

 

[sunsfan88]

Hard to consider Frye a big man, he's basically a 6'11 guard/spot up shooter.

 

[BC867]

Frye and Markieff are absolutely considered big-men and front court players.

Channing Frye wasn't a post player who could also hit 3's. He predictably stationed himself at the 3-point line on every offensive set. If he wasn't hitting 3's, he was relatively useless. And he played softer than his height and weight indicated.

Markieff Morris, within the past few days, told the Press that he is undersized for Power Forward (not to mention that he finishes games at Center). And he told the Guards he needs them to rebound. I showed the quote at the time.

I didn't think it was necessary to refer to a "big" as . . . a tall and muscular player (a wide wing span is a plus) who mans the post on offense and defense (the ability to also shoot a jumper is a plus), is a strong rebounder on offense and defense and can stand up to any Center or Power Forward in the league or else weaken the team.

 

[Phrazbit]

Hard to consider Frye a big man, he's basically a 6'11 guard/spot up shooter.

Who also just happened to be our best interior defender and rim protector at the time.

Channing Frye wasn't a post player who could also hit 3's. He predictably stationed himself at the 3-point line on every offensive set. If he wasn't hitting 3's, he was relatively useless. And he played softer than his height and weight indicated.

Markieff Morris, within the past few days, told the Press that he is undersized for Power Forward (not to mention that he finishes games at Center). And he told the Guards he needs them to rebound. I showed the quote at the time.

I didn't think it was necessary to refer to a "big" as . . . a tall and muscular player (a wide wing span is a plus) who mans the post on offense and defense (the ability to also shoot a jumper is a plus), is a strong rebounder on offense and defense and can stand up to any Center or Power Forward in the league or else weaken the team.

You might not consider them GOOD big men but the fact remains they ARE big men. That you're bemoaning their talent and they got playing time anyway only further confirms my point that Hornacek's history would indicate that he would give quality big men quality playing time.

 

[Chaplin]

Who also just happened to be our best interior defender and rim protector at the time.



You might not consider them GOOD big men but the fact remains they ARE big men. That you're bemoaning their talent and they got playing time anyway only further confirms my point that Hornacek's history would indicate that he would give quality big men quality playing time.

Sadly, this is what this board has come to. BC posting the same thing he's posted for 10 years, sunsfan88 proclaiming himself to be the best coach in a competition between him and Hornacek, and Sci Fi insulting the entire board in every post.

Honestly, look at 90% of the threads on this board, and those three things are most of what you read. It's no wonder most of the original posters on this board are barely around.

 

[BC867]

Sadly, this is what this board has come to. BC posting the same thing he's posted for 10 years, sunsfan88 proclaiming himself to be the best coach in a competition between him and Hornacek, and Sci Fi insulting the entire board in every post.

Honestly, look at 90% of the threads on this board, and those three things are most of what you read. It's no wonder most of the original posters on this board are barely around.

Hey, at least I'm consistent!

Seriously, I've thought about that, Chap. Most of my posts are in response to someone else's. When I see a post that advocates the Suns putting entertainment over excellence, what should I do?

All of a sudden, change my opinion and agree? Or not post at all?

Aren't we all here to share our opinion while learning from the opinions of others? And treat this as a place to vent.

For forty years, I have been hoping that the basketball team to whom I've given my heart would take the next step and become a dominating NBA team.

And still, I keep hoping and rooting . . . and agreeing with posts which share my point of view and disagreeing with those that don't.

When I was a kid, Alan Sherman included in his comedy album, "I would like to explain how I got fat. Every day, my mother would say, 'Finish your supper. Kids are starving in Europe.' So I cleaned my plate -- 3 or 4 times a day. But the kids in Europe still starved . . . and I got fat."

Luckily, I am only about ten pounds overweight. But every day I root for the Suns to take a strong approach. They keep playing small ball and I keep getting frustrated by it.

So if the small-ball fans on ASPN keep posting their same opinion, I keep reacting. But of course we will. That is what a forum like this is for.

The only danger I see are those few posters who are out to win a debate at all costs.

Perhaps the reason most of the original posters are barely around is that they gave up on the Suns. But, of course, there are many other reasons why they would no longer be posting.

I am a Suns fan and hope for the best. I am still around. Just as you, Chap.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I'm back on the "Bring Greg Monroe to Phoenix" bandwagon. He put up 27 pts, 18 rebounds and 6 assists vs the Mavs today. His team's won like 6 in a row and he's been playing real well.

If him and Drummond can co-exist, then I think its pretty obvious that him and Len can co-exist.

Len has more range than Drummond. Len actually has a good shot from that 15-18 ft jumper area.

Monroe's just as bad defensively as Kieff but Monroe's a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY better rebounder and more consistent than Kieff.

I'd give him the max or close to it especially since it would be the rookie max contract not the big one. Big men like don't grow on trees.

Len + Monroe = no more rebounding problems for the Suns.

What would you give up for Monroe? Would you give up the Morri? Cuz you can't separate them...their value is playing together. What else might it take?

 

[Chaplin]

Hey, at least I'm consistent!

Seriously, I've thought about that, Chap. Most of my posts are in response to someone else's. When I see a post that advocates the Suns putting entertainment over excellence, what should I do?

All of a sudden, change my opinion and agree? Or not post at all?

Aren't we all here to share our opinion while learning from the opinions of others? And treat this as a place to vent.

For forty years, I have been hoping that the basketball team to whom I've given my heart would take the next step and become a dominating NBA team.

And still, I keep hoping and rooting . . . and agreeing with posts which share my point of view and disagreeing with those that don't.

When I was a kid, Alan Sherman included in his comedy album, "I would like to explain how I got fat. Every day, my mother would say, 'Finish your supper. Kids are starving in Europe.' So I cleaned my plate -- 3 or 4 times a day. But the kids in Europe still starved . . . and I got fat."

Luckily, I am only about ten pounds overweight. But every day I root for the Suns to take a strong approach. They keep playing small ball and I keep getting frustrated by it.

So if the small-ball fans on ASPN keep posting their same opinion, I keep reacting. But of course we will. That is what a forum like this is for.

The only danger I see are those few posters who are out to win a debate at all costs.

Perhaps the reason most of the original posters are barely around is that they gave up on the Suns. But, of course, there are many other reasons why they would no longer be posting.

I am a Suns fan and hope for the best. I am still around. Just as you, Chap.

True, true. You are nothing if not consistent BC.

I just think it's sad that we seem to have devolved instead of evolved in a lot of respects.

 

[SirStefan32]

What would you give up for Monroe? Would you give up the Morri? Cuz you can't separate them...their value is playing together. What else might it take?

I would give up any combination of the Morris twins, one of the PGs not named Dragic, as well as Gerald Green. This is all assuming we are 100% sure Monroe would sign with the Suns. Problem is that there is very little on Detroit's roster that interests me outside of Monroe.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would give up any combination of the Morris twins, one of the PGs not named Dragic, as well as Gerald Green. This is all assuming we are 100% sure Monroe would sign with the Suns. Problem is that there is very little on Detroit's roster that interests me outside of Monroe.

Cool...Do you know if they have a trade exception that could come back to Phx?

 

[sunsfan88]

Sadly, this is what this board has come to. BC posting the same thing he's posted for 10 years, sunsfan88 proclaiming himself to be the best coach in a competition between him and Hornacek, and Sci Fi insulting the entire board in every post.

Honestly, look at 90% of the threads on this board, and those three things are most of what you read. It's no wonder most of the original posters on this board are barely around.

The problem with you is that you need to realize this is a message board. This isn't your father's message board, this is a message board for everyone to express their opinion. If you disagree with or anyone's opinion, that's fine.

You need to quit making things personal and trying to attack others.

There are many reasons as to why the original posters are no longer here, maybe its because they couldn't handle all the homerism from the posters here. Or maybe its because unlike 10 years ago, the Suns are no longer contenders or even a top playoff caliber team. Fans tend show up less when the teams suck, that's not very hard to figure out.

And no I don't think I'm better than Hornacek otherwise I would be actually coaching. I disagree with many things he does, and I actually have the right to disagree and express my displeasure on this forum. I respect everyone's opinion on here even the ones I disagree with the most. You should figure out a way to do the same.

Got it?

 

[SirStefan32]

Cool...Do you know if they have a trade exception that could come back to Phx?

I don't believe they do.

 

[Chaplin]

The problem with you is that you need to realize this is a message board. This isn't your father's message board, this is a message board for everyone to express their opinion. If you disagree with or anyone's opinion, that's fine.

You need to quit making things personal and trying to attack others.

There are many reasons as to why the original posters are no longer here, maybe its because they couldn't handle all the homerism from the posters here. Or maybe its because unlike 10 years ago, the Suns are no longer contenders or even a top playoff caliber team. Fans tend show up less when the teams suck, that's not very hard to figure out.

And no I don't think I'm better than Hornacek otherwise I would be actually coaching. I disagree with many things he does, and I actually have the right to disagree and express my displeasure on this forum. I respect everyone's opinion on here even the ones I disagree with the most. You should figure out a way to do the same.

Got it?

Thanks for putting me in my place coach.

I've been around message boards since the early 90s, so coaching me on what a message board is seems a bit misguided. You spout the same things over and over again, win or lose. Basically how you know better than Hornacek and I find it hilarious that you deny that. And of course, you love to let everyone know how you always bet against the team. People love hearing that as well.

 

[Chaplin]

I would give up any combination of the Morris twins, one of the PGs not named Dragic, as well as Gerald Green. This is all assuming we are 100% sure Monroe would sign with the Suns. Problem is that there is very little on Detroit's roster that interests me outside of Monroe.

If there is even a glimmer of hope for Detroit to resign Monroe, especially now that Josh Smith is gone, there is NO way they will trade him to the Suns or any other team for that matter. He is beasting right now.

 

[SirStefan32]

If there is even a glimmer of hope for Detroit to resign Monroe, especially now that Josh Smith is gone, there is NO way they will trade him to the Suns or any other team for that matter. He is beasting right now.

Oh I know that. This is a hypothetical scenario. There is no chance in hell Detroit trades him.

 

[Chaplin]

Oh I know that. This is a hypothetical scenario. There is no chance in hell Detroit trades him.

I still worry about his deficiencies, but I would say anybody not named Len on this team would be worth trading him for.

 

[sunsfan88]

Thanks for putting me in my place coach.

I've been around message boards since the early 90s, so coaching me on what a message board is seems a bit misguided. You spout the same things over and over again, win or lose. Basically how you know better than Hornacek and I find it hilarious that you deny that. And of course, you love to let everyone know how you always bet against the team. People love hearing that as well.

Yes its called fantasy basketball. If you don't want to hear it, feel free to add me to the ignore list, its there for a reason.

And sure you can think what you want, if someone disagreeing with someone means that I'm better than them at their job...wow.

So I guess 80% of America thinks they can be a better president than Obama?

No. People disagree with certain decisions that they make. Just like I disagree with certain decisions that Hornacek makes.

I disagreed plenty about Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry, Lindsay Hunter as well. I'm pretty sure you did too but I don't think it means you think you can do a better job than them, at least I certainly hope you didn't think that.

 

[sunsfan88]

I would give up any combination of the Morris twins, one of the PGs not named Dragic, as well as Gerald Green. This is all assuming we are 100% sure Monroe would sign with the Suns. Problem is that there is very little on Detroit's roster that interests me outside of Monroe.

We may be able to have Monroe for free in the summer if Detroit still doesn't wanna pay him like last summer.

 

[Chaplin]

We may be able to have Monroe for free in the summer if Detroit still doesn't wanna pay him like last summer.

Do you actually think we'll offer him a max contract? That's what he'll want. I'm not so sure we'd do that, even if we decide to let go of Dragic.

 

[BC867]

I just think it's sad that we seem to have devolved instead of evolved in a lot of respects.

So, do you mean me . . . or the Suns?

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you actually think we'll offer him a max contract? That's what he'll want. I'm not so sure we'd do that, even if we decide to let go of Dragic.

Hearsay says Monroe will sign with the Knicks next season for 48 million.

 

[SirStefan32]

Do you actually think we'll offer him a max contract? That's what he'll want. I'm not so sure we'd do that, even if we decide to let go of Dragic.

Agreed. There isn't enough money for a max contract. I also agree with your previous assessment that anyone on this roster not named Len would be worth giving up for Monroe.

 

[sunsfan88]

Do you actually think we'll offer him a max contract? That's what he'll want. I'm not so sure we'd do that, even if we decide to let go of Dragic.

I wouldn't mind a max contract for him. It will be the same max contract that Bledsoe wanted, $16M/yr not the big max because Monroe's coming off his rookie contract.

He's a great rebounder, good low post scorer and most of all...has amazing durability for a big man.

His defense sucks but he isn't any worse than Kieff.

If Len can continue to hit that mid range jumper consistently, that front court will definitely work.

As for the money, I think if we keep Dragic, trade and let Green walk we should have enough money to afford Dragic (if he signs a deal similar to Bledsoe) and Monroe. Not sure on this though, I'm pretty bad with salary cap stuff.

Maybe we can trade the twins to move up in the '14 draft as well which should open up even more cap space even if Goran gets a lot more than Bledsoe.