Trail Blazers @ Suns game thread 2-24-18

[pokerface]

Add in how the tankers still want players like Booker to be sat and early in the year they were calling for multiple trades to make the team worse. It's not as cut and dry as some people try to make it.

No one was calling for Booker to be sat early in the year. Plus if some trades went through we might not be sweating bullets now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Add in how the tankers still want players like Booker to be sat and early in the year they were calling for multiple trades to make the team worse. It's not as cut and dry as some people try to make it.

Hey! Look who’s making ish up again about what other people have said because they’re too dense to understand anything nuanced!

 

[GatorAZ]

These 50/50 losses are HUGE!

 

[Cheesebeef]

When the Suns started the season they had Bledsoe, Booker, Warren and Jackson and unknown expectations for Chriss and Bender.

A team should always be given a chance to win.

To start the season with the intention of losing would have been abhorrent.

Sorry... but just because YOU couldn’t see the train wreck coming, didn’t mean others had to delude themselves. Seeing it coming isn’t abhorrent. It’s called PRESCIENT.

And wait... I’ve seen A LOT of McD’s defenders saying what’s happening now WAS PART of McD’s plan. That this... forget it.

You’re right. You’re always right. Even when you’re wrong.

 

[pokerface]

These 50/50 losses are HUGE!

Yeah they are. We were winning too many of them prior.

 

[Mainstreet]

You’re right. You’re always right. Even when you’re wrong.

Funny. I was thinking the same about you.

 

[pokerface]

Funny. I was thinking the same about you.

You both are hilarious

 

[Hoop Head]

Hey! Look who’s making ish up again about what other people have said because they’re too dense to understand anything nuanced!

All you do is bitch and I'm tired of it, I'm not the only one. You want to see people calling for trades to be made? Or is it players being sat? I'd quote single posts but you can look over entire threads of people calling for that. I don't need to make anything up, you can see for yourself.

This thread is full of the tankers calling for Dudley and Chandler to be traded...
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/dare-i-say-the-t-word.253455/page-2

And this thread has the same people calling for Payton and Booker to be sat, regardless of how they feel.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...suns-keep-ryan-mcdonough-as-gm.258607/page-10

You want to talk about people understanding anything nuanced? You're the one who blows up whenever a former player is mentioned in comparison to a prospect. Even if it's just 1 facet of their game being compared you fly off the handle no matter how explicitly that is stated.

Please tell me what I made up.

 

[SirStefan32]

All you do is bitch and I'm tired of it, I'm not the only one. You want to see people calling for trades to be made? Or is it players being sat? I'd quote single posts but you can look over entire threads of people calling for that. I don't need to make anything up, you can see for yourself.

This thread is full of the tankers calling for Dudley and Chandler to be traded...
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/dare-i-say-the-t-word.253455/page-2

And this thread has the same people calling for Payton and Booker to be sat, regardless of how they feel.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...suns-keep-ryan-mcdonough-as-gm.258607/page-10

You want to talk about people understanding anything nuanced? You're the one who blows up whenever a former player is mentioned in comparison to a prospect. Even if it's just 1 facet of their game being compared you fly off the handle no matter how explicitly that is stated.

Please tell me what I made up.

Spot on.

 

[BC867]

I don't think we need to worry about this loss because the Suns almost had this game won. If it wasn't for the 5 second call, they might have. Nothing wrong with the effort.

I wonder if any of us have put ourselves in the position of our young players as they walked off the court.

All their life they've been taught that you prepare yourself to execute and win. And be satisfied with nothing less.

And now, in the big time, they are supposed to say something like, "Oh well, we had the game, but lost."

I don't believe that being instant millionaires is the only satisfaction most of them seek. I think they have pride.

Unfortunately, their leadership doesn't have the skill to do very much other than hope for a high draft pick.

The NBA is crashing, especially after Mark Cuban's comments. I hope Adam Silver can change the losing mentality.

And for those who say that the way to win is to wait for a high draft pick, I suggest we expect our team to plan better than that.

If they had, we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over.

 

[AZCrazy]

What do you mean "the train wreck is coming"? This is it. We're in the midst of our two year total decimation, and coming out the far end of it.

Blow it up? We did. That's how we ended up with a team of 21 year olds. This is how they look until they've had a few years in the league. We'll get one more top tier draft pick and then all bets will be off. We'll be a playoff team thereafter, and won't go far in the first year or two, but by the time these are all 26, we'll be rock n' rolling.

 

[BC867]

What do you mean "the train wreck is coming"? This is it. We're in the midst of our two year total decimation, and coming out the far end of it.

Blow it up? We did. That's how we ended up with a team of 21 year olds. This is how they look until they've had a few years in the league. We'll get one more top tier draft pick and then all bets will be off. We'll be a playoff team thereafter, and won't go far in the first year or two, but by the time these are all 26, we'll be rock n' rolling.

It was blown up again and again because the Front Office made the Suns a team of gimmicks, more than ever before.

Three lead Point Guards. Then three Centers. All expecting to be The Man. The only skilled players being in the backcourt. And on and on. What the Suns leaders blew up over and over was their own lack of professionalism.

The constant blowups were alibis. Alibis are admissions of failure. The blowups caused landslides. As here we sit in the mud and rubble. And the leader of the "construction" team is still here and counting his money.

We have one hope to take a step forward. To luck out in the draft if we lose enough, maybe, but not guaranteed. You don't know that, because we've the bottom, we're at the far end of it. None of us do.

 

[pokerface]

I don't think there is any point in this board getting all crabby. It's late in the season and our course is set. Draftwise we are in the situation we want to be in.


Lets get chill for now unless we go on some meaningless three game win streak. THEN we can turn on each other.

 

[Hoop Head]

It was blown up again and again because the Front Office made the Suns a team of gimmicks, more than ever before.

Three lead Point Guards. Then three Centers. All expecting to be The Man. The only skilled players being in the backcourt. And on and on. What the Suns leaders blew up over and over was their own lack of professionalism.

The constant blowups were alibis. Alibis are admissions of failure. The blowups caused landslides. As here we sit in the mud and rubble. And the leader of the "construction" team is still here and counting his money.

We have one hope to take a step forward. To luck out in the draft if we lose enough, maybe, but not guaranteed. You don't know that, because we've the bottom, we're at the far end of it. None of us do.

You overstate the 3 Center's they had. It was never close to being the same as Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT. It was always clear the pecking order was Chandler, Monroe, and then Len. Since Monroe was a rental of sorts he was only used sparingly, typically to give Chandler the night off. I think there were 2 games where all 3 of them played. It was never the issue you make it out to be though and should not be compared to Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT. None of them were ever "The Man" for the Suns, or for any team in their careers and it wasn't an issue while they were here. The team did everyone a favor by only playing 2 a game so their per game averages didn't take a hit. All were professional about the situation they were in and knew it would be sorted out sooner than later with Monroe being a free agent at years end but the chance of him being retained beyond the trade deadline were virtually non-existent.

 

[BC867]

You overstate the 3 Center's they had. It was never close to being the same as Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT. It was always clear the pecking order was Chandler, Monroe, and then Len. Since Monroe was a rental of sorts he was only used sparingly, typically to give Chandler the night off. I think there were 2 games where all 3 of them played. It was never the issue you make it out to be though and should not be compared to Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT. None of them were ever "The Man" for the Suns, or for any team in their careers and it wasn't an issue while they were here. The team did everyone a favor by only playing 2 a game so their per game averages didn't take a hit. All were professional about the situation they were in and knew it would be sorted out sooner than later with Monroe being a free agent at years end but the chance of him being retained beyond the trade deadline were virtually non-existent.

Yes, I know that the Center situation wasn't as much of a gimmick as Point Guard was.

My concern is that the Suns management hasn't shown that they know how to provide a balanced roster. Frontcourt/backcourt, offense/defense, youth/experienced/twilight of their career.

 

[Finito]

Dame Dollar was great down the stretch so was Booker that was a fun one to watch.

Dame is a stud it's a golden era for scoring guards

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Sure beats losing by 40+ points!

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if any of us have put ourselves in the position of our young players as they walked off the court.

All their life they've been taught that you prepare yourself to execute and win. And be satisfied with nothing less.

And now, in the big time, they are supposed to say something like, "Oh well, we had the game, but lost."

I don't believe that being instant millionaires is the only satisfaction most of them seek. I think they have pride.

Unfortunately, their leadership doesn't have the skill to do very much other than hope for a high draft pick.

The NBA is crashing, especially after Mark Cuban's comments. I hope Adam Silver can change the losing mentality.

And for those who say that the way to win is to wait for a high draft pick, I suggest we expect our team to plan better than that.

If they had, we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over.

I saved the link to an article below I thought you would find interesting.

It involves an interview with Clippers owner Steve Ballmer about building a team for the "modern NBA." To get full value one has to read the entire article but here are some snippets.

"I think bottoming out is a dangerous game," Ballmer said. "If you have to play it, maybe you have to play it. Then again, superstars don't want to go to teams that look like absolute losers. So you really have to make sure [you get] multiple high-level draft picks, and you have to make sure you really hit on high-level draft picks, and you have to be willing to take -- not even the financial consequences. In a way you're being dismissive of your fans by taking that big a step back."

"There are two things that are really good in the long run. You get the first pick in the draft, or you win a championship. If you won a championship 20 years ago, it still helps your business."

"For me, it's a little like assessing a new product developed in tech," Ballmer said. "Maybe it takes four of five years to launch. You better not assess the development team on what it looks like in Year 1½, but if it's Year 7 and you still haven't shipped, or it's Year 5 and you've shipped a piece of crap, you can do a pretty good evaluation. That's how I think about front office."

by Kevin Arnovitz ESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...la-clippers-talks-blake-griffin-tanking-value


Hopefully the Suns are entering year 5 of the last paragraph and the finished product will look good.

 

[3rdside]

I saved the link to an article below I thought you would find interesting.

It involves an interview with Clippers owner Steve Ballmer about building a team for the "modern NBA." To get full value one has to read the entire article but here are some snippets.







by Kevin Arnovitz ESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...la-clippers-talks-blake-griffin-tanking-value


Hopefully the Suns are entering year 5 of the last paragraph and the finished product will look good.

Mcd has till the all star break next year and not a second longer.



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[3rdside]

actually, even that’s being generous - a single 40 point blow out before then and I’d gladly see him gone.


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[Mainstreet]

Mcd has till the all star break next year and not a second longer.

actually, even that’s being generous - a single 40 point blow out before then and I’d gladly see him gone.

I won't have much patience beyond the start of next season. Actually, I want to see improvements with the Suns this summer.

I don't think McDonough has much control of another 40 point blowout other than changing coaches now which I don't think is a good idea.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When the Suns started the season they had Bledsoe, Booker, Warren and Jackson and unknown expectations for Chriss and Bender.

A team should always be given a chance to win.

To start the season with the intention of losing would have been abhorrent.

@Mainstreet heres exactly where you called the tankers abhorrent because of their thoughts at the beginning of the season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

@Mainstreet heres exactly where you called the tankers abhorrent because of their thoughts at the beginning of the season.

And before anyone tries to say Mainstreet was talking about the team starting the year with that intention, the conversation was CLEARLY about fandom and how people viewed the season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I e learned over 41 years not to question cheese recall of facts (judgment yes, facts-particularly sports facts no)

 

[Phrazbit]

@Mainstreet heres exactly where you called the tankers abhorrent because of their thoughts at the beginning of the season.

That is not calling you abhorrent... come on cheese...