Unbelievable !!!

[Scott MS]

By the way, prepare yourself for next season (2008)!!!

The Cowboys are coming to UOP Stadium, as will the SAME PLACE finisher as the Cardinals in the NFC North. That team may very well be either Chicago or Minnesota.

 

[Rats]

Excuse me, but you and maybe one or two others think it was 50/50 or close, while the vast majority of everyone else with eyes say it was more in the range of 25-35 percent Steeler fans. Maybe we are all drunk or braindead, or maybe you just can't admit when you are flat out wrong.

And the thread with this much contribution? Most of the contribution is, again, telling you that you are WRONG and are exaggerating.

Bottom line is...Steeler fans came...Steeler fans saw more Cards fans shout them down like they were little *******...Steeler fans and their team got their asses whooped. You are whiny about the crowd; I'm proud as hell of our HOME crowd for once again making a difference. I'm very happy to be on this side of the argument instead of yours.

(how's Josh McCown doing by the way? I miss our battles over him. )

No, bottom line is had we not won the game....we would have been shouted down by as you say 35 to 40 % of the obnoxious Steeler fans that should have never been given the chance to attend. You don't think that is to much in our new stadium. I think you sat to long in the Sun at Sundevil. Obviously you can't read. Everyone on this thread except you knows we had a huge amount of Steeler fans that had we lost would have been treating us like we were there *******....and they still had the gall to shout us down with there Super Bowl wins....There was no battle over McCown...you said he would be selling insurance and ...I guess he is still in the NFL so not much to say about him. He is not a Card so no one cares. You can say I am whiny about the crowd but it is for good reason when that many of the enemy shows up on a consistant basis.

 

[D-Dogg]

I do not believe the vast majority of Diehards would sell there tickets. But the bandwagon fans that jumped on because of a new stadium and because we got Hollywood Matt jump ship and allow the tickets to go to whomever. If tickets are handed out by the Corporations then there is no control over those tickets so who gets them is anyones guess. If they are there because they live here but still root for there hometown team then I say stay home. Get on board with the hometown fan base. This has been the problem since this team moved here and one of the reasons they haven't sustained a season ticket base. I am just saying don't give the other teams fan an opportunity to show up in great numbers. They did against the Steelers. Had we lost even the ones that want to downplay the Steelers fans attendance would be howling.

Unlike you, I'm more upset at the people in the Valley who don't buy the tickets instead of Steeler or other teams' fans.

There is nothing at all wrong with tickets sold on the free market...but Cards fans should be buying them up....you think there aren't tickets available for Packers games??? There are...tons...but they are snapped up by Packers fans who will pay whatever it takes to see their team play at home. Cards fans in the Valley without season tix don't care, and the other teams' fans do so they'll pay 700 dollars for 100 dollars worth of seat.

 

[Rats]

By the way, prepare yourself for next season (2008)!!!

The Cowboys are coming to UOP Stadium, as will the SAME PLACE finisher as the Cardinals in the NFC North. That team may very well be either Chicago or Minnesota.

The problem there is that the valley still has alot of Cowboy fans that live here. They had this TV market for years and we were a natural rivalry until we switched divisions. Alot of fans that are NFL fans and go to see the Cards on Sunday....switch alliegance when the Cowgirls come to town...I know at least 3 of them that do this from last seasons Cowgirl game. Cards fans unless they are playing the Cowgirls....Unless we get the success of the Cowgirls or the Steelers....and give those fans something to Crow about...they will continue to swith on those Sundays.

 

[Rats]

Unlike you, I'm more upset at the people in the Valley who don't buy the tickets instead of Steeler or other teams' fans.

There is nothing at all wrong with tickets sold on the free market...but Cards fans should be buying them up....you think there aren't tickets available for Packers games??? There are...tons...but they are snapped up by Packers fans who will pay whatever it takes to see their team play at home. Cards fans in the Valley without season tix don't care, and the other teams' fans do so they'll pay 700 dollars for 100 dollars worth of seat.

Thats just it...when we signed Edge and drafted Matt....they did buy the tickets. The stadium for the first few games last season was a sea of Red for the Cardinals. maybe 5000 opposing teams fans a game. That is what I want to see. When the band wagon sellsout because Cowgirl, Steeler, Bronco, Packer fans are willing to pay what ever it takes then I have the right to bitch about them giving them the opportunity. If you want Seasontickets then go to the games or give them to other Cards fans. Thats what happened in STL and they built a fan base fast even though they lost for 5 years before getting good. They had mostly all Rams fans in the stands. Most NFL teams have a small % of fans of another team at there stadium every week. Why do we have to be so different.

 

[Duckjake]

I think many Steeler fans were simply stunned and were overwhelmed by the enthusiasm and noise of the home town fans. They were used to dominating the Cardinals team and stadium and they found they couldn't do either on Sunday.

I think this is exactly what happened. Steelers fans came to the game expecting the kind of Cardinal turnout they saw at SDS. You could see it in how they were acting before the game. I overheard one guy on a cell phone saying "its Steeler Nation here". Was he ever wrong.

I also spent a lot of time between plays checking the sections on the side behind the Steelers bench with my binoculars. There were large groups of Steeler fans in every section especially between the 20s in the lower level. Several lofts were also occupied by Steeler fans.

That the Pitt fans were able to get large groups of tickets together rather than in groups of 2 or 4 scattered throughout the stadium backs up what several posters said about the tix being sold or given out by local businesses or sold by brokers.

I still think, with no proof of course, that the Cards sold out their loyal fans and let people/businesses with connections buy large numbers of seats between the 20s in the lower bowl. I doubt very much that large numbers of the 17,500 who had season tickets in 2003 were casual fans who only came to one or two games a year and all bought seats between the 20s in the lower bowl. Because most of those seats were sold out by the time they got to the 2004 priority.

Maybe I should change my screen name to Oliver Stone.

 

[abomb]

I think this is exactly what happened. Steelers fans came to the game expecting the kind of Cardinal turnout they saw at SDS. You could see it in how they were acting before the game. I overheard one guy on a cell phone saying "its Steeler Nation here". Was he ever wrong.

I also spent a lot of time between plays checking the sections on the side behind the Steelers bench with my binoculars. There were large groups of Steeler fans in every section especially between the 20s in the lower level. Several lofts were also occupied by Steeler fans.

That the Pitt fans were able to get large groups of tickets together rather than in groups of 2 or 4 scattered throughout the stadium backs up what several posters said about the tix being sold or given out by local businesses or sold by brokers.

I still think, with no proof of course, that the Cards sold out their loyal fans and let people/businesses with connections buy large numbers of seats between the 20s in the lower bowl. I doubt very much that large numbers of the 17,500 who had season tickets in 2003 were casual fans who only came to one or two games a year and all bought seats between the 20s in the lower bowl. Because most of those seats were sold out by the time they got to the 2004 priority.

Maybe I should change my screen name to Oliver Stone.

Veeeeeeery interesting.

 

[jefftheshark]

My company and one of the companies that does a lot of work for us went in on 8 club level tickets that we split between us, depending on who is taking more clients to the game. Sometimes those clients are fans of the opposing team. This past weekend we were evenly split between steeler and Card fans, and our section was probabaly 80/20 Cards to steelers.

When our guests are fans of the opposing team we tell them that they can cheer, but they have to be respectful of the Card fans in our section or we won't give them their plane tickets back to Vegas.

This doesn't make me any less a fan of the Cardinals. If anything, I think that I am helping the cause, because I have converted several Rams & Raiders fans into becoming Cardinal fans by taking them to the games and showing off the great team and facilities that we have now.

JTS

 

[D-Dogg]

Bull....you were either drunk or braindead or both if you couldn't see the amount of Steeler fans there. It is not a "made up" argument just because you and a handful of others say so.

I think you sat to long in the Sun at Sundevil. Obviously you can't read. Everyone on this thread except you knows we had a huge amount of Steeler fans that had we lost would have been treating us like we were there *******....and they still had the gall to shout us down with there Super Bowl wins....

Were there too many Steeler fans? Sure, I haven't denied that. But it wasn't half and half as you have REPEATEDLY claimed. And your insults about drunk or braindead and sitting too long in the sun at SDS (which I am proud of doing, btw) must apply to all these other posters on this thread as well who also don't believe your 50/50 claim no matter how often you spout it.

Maybe we all are drunk and braindead...or maybe.........

Go find all the posters who agreed with you and quote them (and make sure you call out the ones who took your word at face value, as opposed to the ones who actually thought they saw 50/50 too.) If there are more, then I'll drop it. If there are less than the ones I'm quoting below...you can stop with the nonsense yourself. Deal?

Now way. I was just looking at the crowd and it looks like its about 30% Steelers fans. Which is pretty much normal for them. They have the best traveling fans in football.

Agree...maybe only 20% of the stadium is Steeler fans. Not near as bad as years past. Lots of RED in there. By a long shot!!!

Yea the more I watch the game the more I think Rats is WAYYY OVEREXXAGERATING!

There are alot of steelrs fans but no where near like he made it sound!

Looked about 70/30 us to me.

I was at the game as well and I would say 1/3 tops. Maybe 1/4 is more realistic.

I'm sure others will correct this, but it was about 30-35 percent steelers fans.

And we shut their muffing mouths.

(yes, mine counts as one as does yours)

Rubbish, 75/25 what stadium were you at.

The vast majority was Cardinals fans

Hey I watched game on the "BOOB TUBE", and it also looked like a lot of RED to me also.

It was that way when you first walked into the stadium. Once the game started it was about 70-30. Was plenty of noise by Cards fans.

On TV it looked like a sea of red with a few yellow fish swimming around here and there. Nothing more.

I'd say the stadium was 15% Steeler fans tops.[/QUOTE]

I was lower bowl north endzone. 60-40 cards is how I saw it.

Now that we can agree on. lol

I still say 75% Cards fans though. lol

That's how I saw it also. The Steelers had between 30 and 40% of the occupied seats.

Also I was in section 118 and I think Rats % are way off due to anger. I'd say 70/30 Cards fans.

My section was about 80% Card fans, but for some reason I was surrounded by the 20%. I kept reminding them that they weren't playing Buffalo, and it was fun watching them sink lower and lower into their seats.

JTS

That stadium on TV was VERY MUCH PREDOMINANTLY RED. Jw7 and nidan seem a much more accurate description of Steeler fans. Somewhere in the 20-25% range. Nowhere near 50.

Yes, Shane is on here a few times but he made good points in each one. Feel free to only count him once.

warm-ups - 95% steeler 5% cardinal
kickoff - 45% steeler 55% cardinal
few minutes in - 30% steeler 70% cardinal
after 3rd TD - 5% steeler 95% cardinal

Maybe we can both claim this one? Push?

I'd say 25-30% Steeler fans,but I can tell you one thing, there won't be as many next time. They thought this was going to one big party with a jack stomping of the Cards topping it off. Instead they went creeping away with their tails between their legs.

 

[clif]

And you're the guy who is intolerant of anyone who dares to criticize the players you like, aren't you?

What are you talking about? I have no idea what you are referring to.

As for the the rest of your post.... so what? I had this whole long reply typed then I thought... who cares? You don't know me nor how I do things so quite frankly it doesn't matter what you think of what I did.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What are you talking about? I have no idea what you are referring to.

As for the the rest of your post.... so what? I had this whole long reply typed then I thought... who cares? You don't know me nor how I do things so quite frankly it doesn't matter what you think of what I did.

fight! fight! fight! fight!

 

[Shane]

What are you talking about? I have no idea what you are referring to.

As for the the rest of your post.... so what? I had this whole long reply typed then I thought... who cares? You don't know me nor how I do things so quite frankly it doesn't matter what you think of what I did.

Kudo's Clif. Doesnt matter what anyone else thinks. They are your tickets do with them what you want. PERIOD!

 

[clif]

In fact the whole topic is really quite useless and I apologize for even posting in this thread. Cards fans attacking other Cards fans is kind of silly and I thought against the rules but its your board so you rule.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In fact the whole topic is really quite useless and I apologize for even posting in this thread. Cards fans attacking other Cards fans is kind of silly and I thought against the rules but its your board so you rule.

kick his ass seabass!

slow day on set... reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy slow.

 

[Rats]

Were there too many Steeler fans? Sure, I haven't denied that. But it wasn't half and half as you have REPEATEDLY claimed. And your insults about drunk or braindead and sitting too long in the sun at SDS (which I am proud of doing, btw) must apply to all these other posters on this thread as well who also don't believe your 50/50 claim no matter how often you spout it.

Maybe we all are drunk and braindead...or maybe.........

Go find all the posters who agreed with you and quote them (and make sure you call out the ones who took your word at face value, as opposed to the ones who actually thought they saw 50/50 too.) If there are more, then I'll drop it. If there are less than the ones I'm quoting below...you can stop with the nonsense yourself. Deal

You want to make light of all the Steeler fans that were there and make it about the 50/50 comments....your avoiding that even 30 or 40 % is way to much in our New Stadium. No one who has commented here counted so no one really knows including me and you. Some were not even at the game that commented and probably sold there tickets...at least Clif manned up and said why he did it. Shane didn't. I am pretty sure he is a seasonticket holder. If you couldn't see that it sucked to be surrounded by as many Steeler fans as we were both in the stadium and outside then fine. Sell your seats to some of them. As you state it is your right. Point that is being made by you not 50/50....MY POINT IS THAT EVEN 35 OR 40 % is to much. Had we lost I think you would be saying that was to much as well.









(yes, mine counts as one as does yours)

I'd say the stadium was 15% Steeler fans tops.[/QUOTE]













Yes, Shane is on here a few times but he made good points in each one. Feel free to only count him once.



Maybe we can both claim this one? Push?

You just want to argue for argues sake....I just want to get the message out to STOP selling your tickets to the opposing fans and give them to Cards fans. If your in it for profit....then give up your tickets...you are not a Cards fan...your a ticket broker.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Hey guys....can't we all hold hands and get along.

Is the experience now better than it was in the old stadium?

Are we seeing more Card fans in the new stadium?

It will take time....and wins.

 

[football karma]

Rats --

I agree, even if it was "only" 25 to 30% Pitt fans, that is too much.

However, I also am thrilled that the stadium is selling out -- and that those Cardinal fans who do go-- it seems 90% are wearing some kind of Cardinal gear.

For those of us who have endured the SDS days -- having 50k fans in support of the Cards and wearing red is part of the whole pro football game experience that has been sorely lacking in years past.

Remember -- this was a 5-11 football team last year in a notoriously fickle sports town-- (exhibit A -- a very entertaining and like-able Dback squad is in the playoffs, and tonight's game didnt sell out until today, and there are still tix available for tommorrow)

As the Cards win, not only will the folks who are more casual fans buy in emotionally and hold onto the tickets that were sold last sunday, but visiting team fans wont be anxious to spend money to fly to AZ to watch their team get stomped.

This problem will fix itself with a little help from the team.

 

[Rats]

Rats --

I agree, even if it was "only" 25 to 30% Pitt fans, that is too much.

However, I also am thrilled that the stadium is selling out -- and that those Cardinal fans who do go-- it seems 90% are wearing some kind of Cardinal gear.

For those of us who have endured the SDS days -- having 50k fans in support of the Cards and wearing red is part of the whole pro football game experience that has been sorely lacking in years past.

Remember -- this was a 5-11 football team last year in a notoriously fickle sports town-- (exhibit A -- a very entertaining and like-able Dback squad is in the playoffs, and tonight's game didnt sell out until today, and there are still tix available for tommorrow)

As the Cards win, not only will the folks who are more casual fans buy in emotionally and hold onto the tickets that were sold last sunday, but visiting team fans wont be anxious to spend money to fly to AZ to watch their team get stomped.

This problem will fix itself with a little help from the team.

Ya know I hear that alot about the casual fans buying into the team once they win. I don't buy it. This is a transiant population in the Valley and they may never fully embrace the Cards. I mean it has been 20 plus years...there should be a big enough fan base to sell the place out save 3000 seats for opposing teams fans. Especially with a New Stadium and less seats than SD. We have 4 plus million people in this town. Dbacks win a WS early in there existence and they can't get the support a team needs, even for the playoffs??? That sucks. The Cardinals will have to win convincingly for 3 plus years in order to get the support we are talking about.

 

[40yearfan]

Rats, I agree that even 10 or 15% of other teams fans is too much. I had enough of that in SDS and I don't want to ever go back.

Now you and Donald be nice boys and quit fighting or I'll have to lock both of you in the closet-----just not together.

 

[Mulli]

Rats, I agree that even 10 or 15% of other teams fans is too much. I had enough of that in SDS and I don't want to ever go back.

Now you and Donald be nice boys and quit fighting or I'll have to lock both of you in the closet-----just not together.

That made me laugh.

 

[Skkorpion]

Cum ba ya lord, cum ba ya ...

If that doesn't work, try:

Michael rowed the boat ashore, halleluyah...

Ah, the 60's. Make love, not war, and don't Bogard that joint. Two tokes and peace would be restored.

 

[Skkorpion]

Rats, I agree that even 10 or 15% of other teams fans is too much. I had enough of that in SDS and I don't want to ever go back.

Now you and Donald be nice boys and quit fighting or I'll have to lock both of you in the closet-----just not together.

I say we put them in a round room with weapons and let the winner survive - maybe.

 

[Mulli]

Greetings Skkorp. Looks like you are feeling good tonight.

 

[Gee!]

Greetings Skkorp. Looks like you are feeling good tonight.

I was about to say the same thing.. These are the type of posts that later in the nite lead to my banning lol.. They start off crazy then end up insane..

Can Skkorp be banned?

 

[Rats]

I say we put them in a round room with weapons and let the winner survive - maybe.

As long as I get bricks, a bat, shanks and a Cleaver....I am nothing if not a survivor....Now if I was allowed such weapons...for Sunday battle against the throng of opposing fans.....we would not have this long thread