USA Olympic Team Schedule & Results

[Covert Rain]

Good game. Posted Results and notes

 

[sunsallday]

Damn Rudy is good. Why Dantoni. Anyway, that game was absolutely nerve racking. Simply one of the greatest games I have ever seen.

 

[arwillan]

You do realize he's 17 and playing against the best team in the world, right?

yeah i know. so when he's drafted next year he'll be eighteen and still playing against the same caliber of players. Paul, Williams, Kidd, etc. are all still going to be around. It certainly isn't going to get any easier for him. But you still never answered my question, what is so special about him? what is he supposed to be good at? he didn't show me anything in the olympics.

 

[HooverDam]

yeah i know. so when he's drafted next year he'll be eighteen and still playing against the same caliber of players. Paul, Williams, Kidd, etc. are all still going to be around. It certainly isn't going to get any easier for him. But you still never answered my question, what is so special about him? what is he supposed to be good at? he didn't show me anything in the olympics.

First off, he won't be playing against the same caliber TEAMS. Sure, he may be playing against a good PG, but once he gets past him, he won't have the leagues best SG behind him, then the leagues best SF, then the best interior presences. A regular season game against Charlotte is a beat different than a game against team USA.

The fact that he's 17 and played against team USA and didn't embarrass himself is exactly whats special about him. I'm not sure what to tell you if you couldn't notice that. He always kept his man in front of him, he seemed very quick and he made quite a few nice passes. Due to his age and inexperience, Spain obviously doesn't run a lot through him. A lot of the time he didn't even bring the ball up the court, so its not surprising that he didn't do a ton numbers wise. But put most any 17 year old in the world out there and he'd stand out like a sore thumb, Ricky Rubio looked like he belonged.

Maybe D'Antoni saying it wasn't his job to develope players had a factor.
Makes you wonder though who made the decisions and why.

I'm sorry, but thats ridiculous. Rudy Fernandez is the type of Euro uptempo player D'Antoni probably would've loved to have had (see: him taking Danillo this year). Furthermore, I'm sure D'Antoni didn't want to get rid of James Jones, a good 3 point shooter and perimeter defender. Everyone knows the Suns made that move because 1. Sarver didn't want to pay the tax, and 2. Kerr wasn't able to figure out a better/less harmful way to shed payroll because of his inexperience.

 

[arwillan]

i am sure we didn't.

he would have hell of a season with nash and dragic.the guy can dunk,rebound,shoot threes,steal,pass.he is more ready to nba than the other non american picks like gallinari.

being able to dunk doesn't, in any way, make you an nba-quality player. His passing isn't even good. He didn't have more than 2 assists in their last 4 or 5 games (including the gold medal game). His rebounding is nothing short of mediocre too. He averaged about 3 rebounds per game in the olympics. Steve nash averages that much, is he a good rebounder? His 3 point shooting was good in the tournament, but he's shooting from the shorter 3 point line which can be very misleading when stats come up. His steals never got over 2 in a game over the past 4 or 5 games. Most Nba guards get about that many, but they do it against the best teams in the world not against teams like Angola. On top of all that, he's already 23 years old.

 

[Irish]

I didn't see the game. My biggest question has to do with Fernandez's defense. He's not a point guard, so he is going to be matched up against big NBA guards. Can he guard them or is he another Barbosa "all offense and no defense?" I'm not saying he is, I am just asking.

 

[arwillan]

First off, he won't be playing against the same caliber TEAMS. Sure, he may be playing against a good PG, but once he gets past him, he won't have the leagues best SG behind him, then the leagues best SF, then the best interior presences. A regular season game against Charlotte is a beat different than a game against team USA.

The fact that he's 17 and played against team USA and didn't embarrass himself is exactly whats special about him. I'm not sure what to tell you if you couldn't notice that. He always kept his man in front of him, he seemed very quick and he made quite a few nice passes. Due to his age and inexperience, Spain obviously doesn't run a lot through him. A lot of the time he didn't even bring the ball up the court, so its not surprising that he didn't do a ton numbers wise. But put most any 17 year old in the world out there and he'd stand out like a sore thumb, Ricky Rubio looked like he belonged.

so they have to have someone bring the ball up court for him because they're too nervous he'll turn it over. Is there not going to be pressure on him in the NBA? to say that he is so good because he didn't embarrass himself is absolute ridicule. That's one of the stupidest reasons i've ever heard of for drafting a player. That is not a skill in any way. They don't run a lot through him because he just isn't that good at creating. DX says he can't shoot, either. i find myself incredibly underwhelmed.

 

[arwillan]

I didn't see the game. My biggest question has to do with Fernandez's defense. He's not a point guard, so he is going to be matched up against big NBA guards. Can he guard them or is he another Barbosa "all offense and no defense?" I'm not saying he is, I am just asking.

wade and kobe both torched him last night if that's any indicator. Plus the guy is 6'4 185 lbs. He doesn't have a chance against nba guards with that frame.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

being able to dunk doesn't, in any way, make you an nba-quality player. His passing isn't even good. He didn't have more than 2 assists in their last 4 or 5 games (including the gold medal game). His rebounding is nothing short of mediocre too. He averaged about 3 rebounds per game in the olympics. Steve nash averages that much, is he a good rebounder? His 3 point shooting was good in the tournament, but he's shooting from the shorter 3 point line which can be very misleading when stats come up. His steals never got over 2 in a game over the past 4 or 5 games. Most Nba guards get about that many, but they do it against the best teams in the world not against teams like Angola. On top of all that, he's already 23 years old.

Sorry, this is just straight ignorant. All you're doing is posting stats from his last 5 olympic games and concluding he will not be an NBA quality player... the dunk was the icing on the cake for a solid player on the second best team in the W O R L D

You could do the same stat conclusion thing for Nash and prove he will be an even bigger bust.

Rudy will do just fine in the nba

 

[arwillan]

Sorry, this is just straight ignorant. All you're doing is posting stats from his last 5 olympic games and concluding he will not be an NBA quality player... the dunk was the icing on the cake for a solid player on the second best team in the W O R L D

You could do the same stat conclusion thing for Nash and prove he will be an even bigger bust.

Rudy will do just fine in the nba

icing on the cake for what? they lost the game...

could i use the same thing for nash and find he's a bust? he was drafted because he had the ability to shoot and because he had the natural ability to pass the ball incredibly well. He had his flaws, sure. still does. But people knew he had a chance to be good for reasons other than dunking on dwight howard (sort of) and playing for the "2nd best team in the world".

believe what you want, you're entitled to your opinion. there is certainly more evidence saying he won't be very good than there is evidence saying he will be. as it stands, you're just saying he will be good in the nba because he can dunk and because he's on spain's team. at least i used stats to back up my argument.

 

[Irish]

As I said, you cannot compare Fernandez to Nash because they play different positions. If Barbosa was a better floor leader, there would not be as much concern about his defense. Barbosa's offensive skills are best suited for playing off the ball, but he struggles defending big guards.

 

[Bufalay]

His rebounding is nothing short of mediocre too. He averaged about 3 rebounds per game in the olympics.

Good point, you win the argument because you used Olympic stats.

Now, time to start a new argument. Dwight Howard is not an NBA quality center because he averaged 5.8 rebounds in the Olympics.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

He also got posterized by some noob in spain named rudy. Look for howard to hit the waiver wires this summer.

 

[arwillan]

Good point, you win the argument because you used Olympic stats.

Now, time to start a new argument. Dwight Howard is not an NBA quality center because he averaged 5.8 rebounds in the Olympics.

you're right, how foolish of me to use statistics in my argument. Let's look at Rudy's non-olympic stats for his club team. Wouldn't you know it, he averages 3.1 a game. Boy, i was sure way off base with my assessment.

5 rebounds in the finals in about 17 minutes. with nba starter's minutes, that's about 10 a game. seems adequate to me. Besides, we know that howard can play in the nba because we've seen it. fernandez? not so much. Everyone thought milicic was going to be amazing too.

 

[passenger]

Good point, you win the argument because you used Olympic stats.

Now, time to start a new argument. Dwight Howard is not an NBA quality center because he averaged 5.8 rebounds in the Olympics.

Exactly

Arwillan,don't get into stats battle with us,you will lose.
The way you think,probably Carlos Boozer sucks big time just because he was DNP in final game.

You started asking about Rubio,the 17 yr old kid,then you confused yourself and mentioned his dunk,Rubio is PG,17 and he'll come to NBA 2 yrs later,most likely as number 1-5 pick.Rudy Fernandez signed with Portland this July and he was the one that dunked,he is 23.

So,you were hating which one?Rubio?Rudy Fernandez?Any Spanish baller?or any foreigner is not capable to play in the NBA for you?

 

[arwillan]

He also got posterized by some noob in spain named rudy. Look for howard to hit the waiver wires this summer.

right, because getting dunked on is certainly a knock to one's nba credibility. how could i forget that?

 

[arwillan]

Exactly

Arwillan,don't get into stats battle with us,you will lose.
The way you think,probably Carlos Boozer sucks big time just because he was DNP in final game.

You started asking about Rubio,the 17 yr old kid,then you confused yourself and mentioned his dunk,Rubio is PG,17 and he'll come to NBA 2 yrs later,most likely as number 1-5 pick.Rudy Fernandez signed with Portland this July and he was the one that dunked,he is 23.

So,you were hating which one?Rubio?Rudy Fernandez?Any Spanish baller?or any foreigner is not capable to play in the NBA for you?

what makes you think i will lose? you don't strike me as particularly bright in any sense of the word. You're absolutely right on boozer. that guy can not play a lick. how about that amare stoudemire guy who got cut from the team? he really sucks. i know the difference between fernandez and rubio. There are 2 separate arguments going on here about 2 separate players. It might be a strain on your seemingly limited intelligence, but do a little reading and get caught up. thanks.

 

[passenger]

5 rebounds in the finals in about 17 minutes. with nba starter's minutes, that's about 10 a game. seems adequate to me. Besides, we know that howard can play in the nba because we've seen it. fernandez? not so much. Everyone thought milicic was going to be amazing too.

Way to deepen the argument."Everyone thought Milicic was good but he wasn't".So,all European basketball players should be crap too?I can give you hundreds of top 10 picks in NBA history,would that make you be cautious against all draft picks? Everyone thought Stojakovic,Hedo,Manu wasn't that good but they are.

Fernandez's teammates play in the NBA,one starting guard for Toronto,averages 8 assists a game,Gasol in Lakers,that should give you some ideas right?Even Garbajosa was pretty good when he had minutes.Navarro had a good year in Memphis despite a bad team.

 

[arwillan]

Way to deepen the argument."Everyone thought Milicic was good but he wasn't".So,all European basketball players should be crap too?I can give you hundreds of top 10 picks in NBA history,would that make you be cautious against all draft picks? Everyone thought Stojakovic,Hedo,Manu wasn't that good but they are.

Fernandez's teammates play in the NBA,one starting guard for Toronto,averages 8 assists a game,Gasol in Lakers,that should give you some ideas right?Even Garbajosa was pretty good when he had minutes.Navarro had a good year in Memphis despite a bad team.

first of all, don't quote me if you aren't going to do it properly. I never said "Everyone thought Milicic was good but he wasn't". nice try though. by mentioning stojakovic, hedo, and manu you're only arguing against your own points. I said that people thought milicic was going to be good to say that draft picks often turn out to be totally opposite of what is expected. Peja, hedo, and manu are all examples of my argument. so thanks for the unnecessary help. who cares if his team mates play in the nba? that doesn't mean anything about his quiality of play.

 

[Ollie]

being able to dunk doesn't, in any way, make you an nba-quality player. His passing isn't even good. He didn't have more than 2 assists in their last 4 or 5 games (including the gold medal game). His rebounding is nothing short of mediocre too. He averaged about 3 rebounds per game in the olympics. Steve nash averages that much, is he a good rebounder? His 3 point shooting was good in the tournament, but he's shooting from the shorter 3 point line which can be very misleading when stats come up. His steals never got over 2 in a game over the past 4 or 5 games. Most Nba guards get about that many, but they do it against the best teams in the world not against teams like Angola. On top of all that, he's already 23 years old.

If you replaced the last words of your paragraph by "30 years old", I could have swore you were talking about Kobe Bryant.

By the way, complaining that a substitute SG (playing in the second best rebounding team of the tournament, no less) doesn't take enough rebounds or doesn't make enough FIBA assists is a pretty weak argument, to say the least.

 

[arwillan]

If you replaced the last words of your paragraph by "30 years old", I could have swore you were talking about Kobe Bryant.

By the way, complaining that a substitute SG (playing in the second best rebounding team of the tournament, no less) doesn't take enough rebounds or doesn't make enough FIBA assists is a pretty weak argument, to say the least.

i'm not too sure how you could confuse that for being kobe at all. Kobe can shoot. Kobe can pass. Kobe can rebound. Kobe is an nba-quality player.

i'm not the one who made the argument for the guard being a good rebounder, i was just pointing out that is he nothing special when it comes to rebounding.

 

[Bufalay]

If you replaced the last words of your paragraph by "30 years old", I could have swore you were talking about Kobe Bryant.

By the way, complaining that a substitute SG (playing in the second best rebounding team of the tournament, no less) doesn't take enough rebounds or doesn't make enough FIBA assists is a pretty weak argument, to say the least.

except that Kobe's shooting sucked.

 

[passenger]

who cares if his team mates play in the nba? that doesn't mean anything about his quiality of play.

don't mingle it.

Fernandez is one of the scoring options in that team,maybe 2nd after Gasol.We are not talking about a guy in Spanish bench that we never saw play.So,I was saying his teammates,even the ones who rely on Fernandez and know he's prior option than them,played in NBA and did fine.So,why shouldn't Fernandez?

I didn't say "he can play in NBA because he dunked".Hell,I have friends that dunk.But this guy is a sharp shooter,not afraid for challenge,he's brave,penetrated against whomever.I haven't seen anyone posterized Howard like this before.

I don't think you watched the game yesterday,I seriously doubt it.

 

[Bufalay]

I haven't seen anyone posterized Howard like this before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc

 

[passenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc

wow,that is crazy too