USA Olympic Team Schedule & Results

[HooverDam]

i watched 3 or 4 of spain's game actually. and i was unimpressed because he didn't make a memorable impression on me. maybe i expected too much out of him, but i found myself wondering where the greatness was.

Well the tricky part about being a scout isn't realizing who's great now (anyone could do that), its figuring out who will be great. Rubio has a pretty developed skill set for his age and he's projected to be great, he's not already there.

 

[arwillan]

Well the tricky part about being a scout isn't realizing who's great now (anyone could do that), its figuring out who will be great. Rubio has a pretty developed skill set for his age and he's projected to be great, he's not already there.

exactly, expected to be great is all he is at this point. maybe it's my fault for expecting a more polished player at his young age, but as i said earlier i just wasn't as in awe as i expected to be. The announcers all introduced him as one of the most exciting players in the world, and i sure wasn't excited very much. He did have a play in the finals where he kinda slid through howard and another guy without taking a dribble to get a layup which i suppose was rather impressive, but other than that i can't say i was excited by his game at all.

 

[arwillan]

I can only assume you read what I posted. Based on your response, I can only deduct that you understood NOT ONE WORD of it.

First off, to even become a BUST, which Darko is, you had to have been considered GOOD to potentially GREAT in the first place. Now; Read my last post again. Get it?

Also: Are you some kind of ****ing Swami or something? Who the **** are you to predict who's going to make it or not, when pros that are WELL above your head are saying otherwise? I am sure if you tried hard enough, you can find some stats that would make a 17 or 23-yr-old (the respective ages of the players you're being obtuse about) Manu Ginobili look bad. I think we can say that that young man made it in the NBA, no?

you don't make any sense. Rubio is considered good to great in the first place. He very well could be a bust. He could be the next steve nash, too. we have no idea yet. Your point about Manu is completely stupid. I 've already stated that it could go either way with players. They can have a lot of hype and become nothing (Darko) or have little hype and become something great (Manu). I could care less if pros well above my head say otherwise. Their opinion is not necessarily more correct than mine, and vice-versa. Doctors well above my head once said that smoking is not bad for you. I think we can all agree that it is, in fact, bad for you. Where's your point?

 

[Bufalay]

...or have little hype and become something great (Manu).

Out of everything you've said today, calling Manu great has to be the worst.

 

[arwillan]

Out of everything you've said today, calling Manu great has to be the worst.

haha. i suppose that comment is to be expected on a suns board.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Anyone have a link to the ginoboli injury?

 

[FArting]

If you had to pick a MVP for Team USA who would it be? My pick is Wade.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Bosh was a pretty valuable piece throughout the weeks as well.

 

[D-Dogg]

Wade, then Bosh. Gold Medal game alone, Kobe. But Wade was enormous through all the games and in the GMG as well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wade, then Bosh. Gold Medal game alone, Kobe. But Wade was enormous through all the games and in the GMG as well.

gold medal game alone Kobe? With Kobe and Bron complete non-factors in the first half, if not for Wade lighting up the scoreboard, the US is probably down by double figures at half, not to mention he also hit some big shots down the stretch. I'd say Wade started and finished and Kobe finished, but by no means did Kobe do antyhing "alone".

 

[D-Dogg]

gold medal game alone Kobe? With Kobe and Bron complete non-factors in the first half, if not for Wade lighting up the scoreboard, the US is probably down by double figures at half, not to mention he also hit some big shots down the stretch. I'd say Wade started and finished and Kobe finished, but by no means did Kobe do antyhing "alone".

No...if judging the gold medal game alone, I'd give it to Kobe--completely took over with passing and scoring. But nobody did anything "alone" on the team. The alone was for taking one game by itself.

Judging the olympics as a whole, it's hands down Wade. Not even close to anyone else.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No...if judging the gold medal game alone, I'd give it to Kobe--completely took over with passing and scoring. But nobody did anything "alone" on the team. The alone was for taking one game by itself.

yeah, I just don't think he "took the game by itself". His and Lebron's poor play and getting into foul trouble actually allowed Spain to take a lead, which made it a game and it was Wade who saved their ass in the first half to get them to take back the lead and push it to 7. Not to mention he made a big 3 at the end of the game as well during Kobe's flourish. One quarter of good play after 3 quarters of not playing and hurting your team because you have to be on the bench ain't taking the game over. I know the media and all Laker fans want it to be so they can finally have their coronation moment for Kobe which was thwarted when he and his club nose-dived in the Finals, but it's a 4 quarter game. Kobe's finish was great, but Wade showed up from start to finish, so to say Kobe did anything alone just doesn't hold water with me. He was sick clutch though at the end.

 

[Covert Rain]

Though I think different guys seemed to step up from game to game, D-Wade was the most consistent when the games were close. He just looked so good this Olympics. To think that Miami could have had a recovered D-Wade and Shaq playing this year together would have made them legit Eastern Conference contenders.

 

[CardsFan88]

That 17 year old point guard Ricky Rubio from Spain is the real deal. I believe he could play in the NBA this year talentwise, and probably be in the upper half of point guards as a rookie. Not sure about the defense, but the point guard part, is ALL there.

Hopefully we have our point guard of future in Dragic, but if not, I'd do whatever I could to get this guy when he becomes draft eligible, assuming he wants to play in the NBA.

Tools to be HOF in the NBA. Haven't been that impressed with a young kid since Lebron, and even then for the respective position they play, I'm more impressed with Rubio at 17.

Sorry for bumping the thread, put I had to put this out here now.

 

[dodie53]

^
would you trade Amare for the draft rights of Rubio?

 

[CardsFan88]

No

Part of my words are based on the assumption that uprooting a 17 year old child and having him come here and adjust to that (including language barrier), plus chemistry with his new teammates might be too much to ask. However if he was a homegrown talent from good ol USA, I would believe he would have the talent to do that. It's not the talent I question in him achieving it this year, it would be the outside factors. So perhaps I drop back on my statement a bit, because of that. But again talent wise, he already has it to do that, and much, much more.

As for the trade. It's potential versus a known factor. You would have many intangibles assuming this is not right now. As obviously Amare wouldn't be necessary to get him this year, if Rubio was available.

Maybe 2 years from now, Amare's knees are shot, maybe we suck and he says I'm outta here at the end of the year, who knows. Under a scenario like that it would be more conceivable, assuming he was drafted by another team, and we'd have to have them include either expiring contracts, overpaid bums, or perhaps the market suggests you get a pretty good player with a pretty expensive contract. Who knows what the market would hold at that point.

Being a Suns fan, considering our history, I would always lean against towards trading away a big man. If you consider we potentially have dragic in place, we may not need a pg, and might have bigger needs. We don't know if dragic will pan out, but he's here and we'll find out.

Even though nash is getting old, there's no reason to think he can't play for 4-5 more years. Two years from now Nash still might be playing pretty well. I wont say 4-5 years from now he will still be playing, and if he did that he'd play at the same level of play, or even close. But if his back holds up, and he has the desire to play, play here, and not make as much, he could still be here. So Nash and Dragic might prevent any realistic thought of trading for Rubio.

If we did trade, then we'd have no Amare, we'd probably have Nash, Dragic, Rubio. That's hella talented, but would it help you win more games? No.

A different team might be in a different position. A guy similar to Amare's skill for him would be understandable if they aren't loaded at pg.

But also I believe I wouldn't do it because it wouldn't be neccessary at this point. Two years from now, if he's expected to go #1 overall, Amare (or a similar skill player on a different team) for a #1 overall and one of the above scenarios to make the trade work might appear to be enough. However will he be thought of as a #1 or not? Maybe he lands 2nd-6th because he is a point guard. You need five players on the court, and Rubio plays just one, but oh does he play it well. That position is obviously important, but lots of teams favor big men, so Rubio as being the best player in the draft, might not go #1.

He might even enter the draft the way dragic did, and might slip to the 2nd round, where a bidding war might erupt, or maybe not based on the same or different factors that allowed dragic to fall like he did.

Lets not forget there's a good chance he won't want to come over here, so all of this might be moot.

However I stand by what I see as a potential to be a HOF player. The kid can handle that ball like a master, and clearly to me at least, has the mindset of a pg in deciding how to distribute the rock and run an offense. That mindset already looks like a veteran point guard. Which at 17 is simply amazing. If that's where he is now, how about 22, how about 25? Then think at 25, he still could have 10-12 more years in the league. Scary good.

I would never try to trade Amare for this kid, because I'm confident I could get him cheaper, and pair with Amare. But what do you do about Nash and potentially Dragic. It might just turn out the best thing to do, is not getting him until those situations present themselves. Maybe he's a 25 year old fa, maybe you trade for him after Nash retires, et cetera. Hard to look into the future. I wouldn't rule it out, but I'd be crazy to say, yeah, I'd do it today given the realities of the situation.

 

[S_Nash]

Quite possibly the longest response to one of dodie's many pointless questions/statements/trade proposals ever posted on this forum.

 

[Hat]

Quite possibly the longest response to one of dodie's many pointless questions/statements/trade proposals ever posted on this forum.

ROTFL

 

[msdundee]

No

Part of my words are based on the assumption that uprooting a 17 year old child and having him come here and adjust to that (including language barrier), plus chemistry with his new teammates might be too much to ask. However if he was a homegrown talent from good ol USA, I would believe he would have the talent to do that. It's not the talent I question in him achieving it this year, it would be the outside factors. So perhaps I drop back on my statement a bit, because of that. But again talent wise, he already has it to do that, and much, much more.

As for the trade. It's potential versus a known factor. You would have many intangibles assuming this is not right now. As obviously Amare wouldn't be necessary to get him this year, if Rubio was available.

Maybe 2 years from now, Amare's knees are shot, maybe we suck and he says I'm outta here at the end of the year, who knows. Under a scenario like that it would be more conceivable, assuming he was drafted by another team, and we'd have to have them include either expiring contracts, overpaid bums, or perhaps the market suggests you get a pretty good player with a pretty expensive contract. Who knows what the market would hold at that point.

Being a Suns fan, considering our history, I would always lean against towards trading away a big man. If you consider we potentially have dragic in place, we may not need a pg, and might have bigger needs. We don't know if dragic will pan out, but he's here and we'll find out.

Even though nash is getting old, there's no reason to think he can't play for 4-5 more years. Two years from now Nash still might be playing pretty well. I wont say 4-5 years from now he will still be playing, and if he did that he'd play at the same level of play, or even close. But if his back holds up, and he has the desire to play, play here, and not make as much, he could still be here. So Nash and Dragic might prevent any realistic thought of trading for Rubio.

If we did trade, then we'd have no Amare, we'd probably have Nash, Dragic, Rubio. That's hella talented, but would it help you win more games? No.

A different team might be in a different position. A guy similar to Amare's skill for him would be understandable if they aren't loaded at pg.

But also I believe I wouldn't do it because it wouldn't be neccessary at this point. Two years from now, if he's expected to go #1 overall, Amare (or a similar skill player on a different team) for a #1 overall and one of the above scenarios to make the trade work might appear to be enough. However will he be thought of as a #1 or not? Maybe he lands 2nd-6th because he is a point guard. You need five players on the court, and Rubio plays just one, but oh does he play it well. That position is obviously important, but lots of teams favor big men, so Rubio as being the best player in the draft, might not go #1.

He might even enter the draft the way dragic did, and might slip to the 2nd round, where a bidding war might erupt, or maybe not based on the same or different factors that allowed dragic to fall like he did.

Lets not forget there's a good chance he won't want to come over here, so all of this might be moot.

However I stand by what I see as a potential to be a HOF player. The kid can handle that ball like a master, and clearly to me at least, has the mindset of a pg in deciding how to distribute the rock and run an offense. That mindset already looks like a veteran point guard. Which at 17 is simply amazing. If that's where he is now, how about 22, how about 25? Then think at 25, he still could have 10-12 more years in the league. Scary good.

I would never try to trade Amare for this kid, because I'm confident I could get him cheaper, and pair with Amare. But what do you do about Nash and potentially Dragic. It might just turn out the best thing to do, is not getting him until those situations present themselves. Maybe he's a 25 year old fa, maybe you trade for him after Nash retires, et cetera. Hard to look into the future. I wouldn't rule it out, but I'd be crazy to say, yeah, I'd do it today given the realities of the situation.

 

[CardsFan88]

Well I did say, potential HOF

So a person that would want to test my thoughts on the situation could say, well then if he's a hof player, would you trade Amare for him?

This guy, and I don't read many of the trade scenario threads, which would make me unaware he is 'known' to throw stuff out there.

As for the length, who cares? People that want and expect one sentence answers to everything will be sorely disappointed in life....as it's never that easy, and never that black and white.

 

[S_Nash]

Quite possibly the longest response to one of my many lousy attempts at getting a cheap laugh ever posted on this forum

 

[CardsFan88]

It's not so long, I can write like Bolt runs the 100 meter dash.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

It's not so long, I can write like Bolt runs the 100 meter dash.

Oh bittersweet irony; is there no escape?

You write the opposite of 100 meter dashes. Your post was a marathon.

 

[CardsFan88]

Composed and typed like bolt runs a 100 meter dash

But yeah, pretty funny when you look at it that way

Again since it's getting off topic. If Rubio comes to the nba someday, whoever gets him will be very, very happy. Whoever didn't, will be kicking themselves.