Vikings at Cardinals gameday thread 9-19-2021

[FB94]

Just so you know I was sweeping it that way with my hands and jedi mind powers. So technically I won the game.

You're welcome.

Did the Ole “Noonan” from Caddyshack

 

[nashman]

Kliff didn't make him keep the ball and then run out of bounds to stop the clock. Kliff did not make him miss Chase out of the backfield for an easy underneath completion leading to him holding the ball and taking a sack. Those are on the QB and have nothing to do with play calling. Kliff didn't flub the RPO and then force Kyler to throw the ball cause a lineman down field penalty.

Like most are saying, Kyler made some great plays, mostly in the first half which kept us in the game. That said, he had some really terrible plays that almost gave it away. Far less to do with playcalling than you are asserting.

You make zero sense Kliff calls the ducking plays! Why are you calling passes when you need to milk clock and force their TOs? Good lord it doesn’t matter if Kyler missed chase or illegal lineman downfield those pass plays NEVER should have been called. So somehow it’s on Kyler that our idiot coach doesn’t know how to run the clock at the end of a game? Ok whatever

 

[TRW]

Watching Lamar I am sooooo glad we have KM.

Well, Lamar has turned it around, but I'm still glad we have KM

 

[Chopper0080]

You make zero sense Kliff calls the ducking plays! Why are you calling passes when you need to milk clock and force their TOs? Good lord it doesn’t matter if Kyler missed chase or illegal lineman downfield those pass plays NEVER should have been called. So somehow it’s on Kyler that our idiot coach doesn’t know how to run the clock at the end of a game? Ok whatever

If this is what you think NFL offense is and what the job of the QB is, you need to get more info. The QB has total control of the offense. What is called and what the play is when it is snapped and what actually happens can be three different things. Especially when you have a superstar QB. You can't argue we have a top QB and then absolve him of the responsibilities that go with being one.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think you mean quarterbacking. All on Kyler

In hindsight you are right, and thank you for the insight... and I am not being sarcastic lol

 

[BritCard]

They went from having a 6 sacks game to 0. Really? Not one sack?

I think they had to sell out the vs the run, certainly in the 2nd half. Which limited them in the pass rush.

 

[BritCard]

I’d venture to guess that the odds greatly favored us losing in that situation. We didn’t stop them when necessary, they messed up. I don’t consider that earned as much as a gift. Yes we had to be in position to benefit from the gift, but we didn’t so much win due to our effort.

We did win due to our effort. That's why we had 34 points and 1 more than the Vikings.

We came back from 2 scores down to lead at the half. We made a great play at the end of the 1st half that won the game. If Moore gets a few yards less or doesn't get out of bounds with 1 second to go, and then Prater doesn't make the kick then we lose the game.

Switch those plays. Say the Vikings miss their kick at the end of the 1st half and Moore/Prater make those plays with 2 seconds remaining in the 4th, you would say we earned it then right?

There were some issues to start the game on defense for sure. But what was encouraging was how the adjusted and got better, something we struggled with last year. Cook had 90+ yards in the 1st half and 39 in the 2nd.

Take away Kyler's bad pick 6 and the Vikings only had 3 points in the 2nd half. That's where we won the game.

 

[BritCard]

With that dogshit defensive performance, is there any way you're wanting to give the ball back to MIN? I say no and we proved why -- the goal of that last possession should have been stay aggressive, get first downs, and learn not to **** your pants under pressure.

The defense held Cook to 39 yards and the Vikings to 3 offensive points in the 2nd half. And they wouldn't have had those 3 if not for the roughing the kicker flag.

Why is it that the bad 1st half performance overrules the good 2nd half performance? Just because they didn't get 5 sacks doesn't mean they were bad. The defense played lights out in the 2nd half.

 

[BritCard]

It wasn't the play calling. Kyler played terrible the second half. Terrible. He was confused by the defense, missed some easy passes and turned the ball over and made other mental mistakes. If you want to be a top QB in the NFL, you have to be better than that.

He wasn't as good as the 1st but you don't get this stat line if you are terrible. He threw for 400 yards with a 72% completion percentage, 11.1 YPC and a 117 passer rating.

He did fall off around the start of Q4 but I wouldn't say he was terrible.

Target Depth	Completions/Atts	Yds	Adj. Comp. %	TDs
Behind L.O.S	8/8	34	100%	1
Short (1-9)	11/13	91	92.3%	0
Medium (10-19)	5/6	95	83.3%	0
Long (20+)	5/6	181	83.3%	2

 

[BritCard]

Kliff didn't make him keep the ball and then run out of bounds to stop the clock. Kliff did not make him miss Chase out of the backfield for an easy underneath completion leading to him holding the ball and taking a sack. Those are on the QB and have nothing to do with play calling. Kliff didn't flub the RPO and then force Kyler to throw the ball cause a lineman down field penalty.

Like most are saying, Kyler made some great plays, mostly in the first half which kept us in the game. That said, he had some really terrible plays that almost gave it away. Far less to do with playcalling than you are asserting.

My biggest issue with Kyler later in the game is he went into "Hero mode". It felt like after his first INT he had to make up for it by making every pass a big play rather than just moving us down the field naturally as he had done the rest of the game.

But ultimate, we won the game because of him. Yes it was closer at the end than it should have been because of him too. The defense really closed down the Vikings in the 2nd half and without the pick 6 and the INT we likely go on to win the game easily.

But we won. Lots to learn all around and it was a shot in the arm to not believe the hype. This might work out better than getting an easy win in the long run.

 

[Red on White]

The defense held Cook to 39 yards and the Vikings to 3 offensive points in the 2nd half. And they wouldn't have had those 3 if not for the roughing the kicker flag.

Why is it that the bad 1st half performance overrules the good 2nd half performance? Just because they didn't get 5 sacks doesn't mean they were bad. The defense played lights out in the 2nd half.

They say the game of golf is bigger than anything you can carry it around in. Something is always sticking out.

If your irons are on the money your putter will be ice cold. If your short game is on fire, your one wood off the tee will desert you. Etc

Feels a bit like that for us. Offense on fire first half... D struggling against the run.

Defense watertight in the 2nd half plus Special teams makes a huge play... offense goes off the boil.

It's rare that everything clicks the whole game, especially against good teams. Are the flat spots terminal? Are the flat spots offset by other good bits of play?

Did we finish in front? Yes!

 

[Chopper0080]

He wasn't as good as the 1st but you don't get this stat line if you are terrible. He threw for 400 yards with a 72% completion percentage, 11.1 YPC and a 117 passer rating.

He did fall off around the start of Q4 but I wouldn't say he was terrible.

Target Depth	Completions/Atts	Yds	Adj. Comp. %	TDs
Behind L.O.S	8/8	34	100%	1
Short (1-9)	11/13	91	92.3%	0
Medium (10-19)	5/6	95	83.3%	0
Long (20+)	5/6	181	83.3%	2

I will have to go back and look at his 2nd half. Maybe overreacting in the moment and "terrible" is a strong position.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

His two interceptions were egregious. And yes it was a face mask on one, but that had zero impact on the decision and the pass as I’m pretty sure it was outta his hand at that point.

we don’t win without him for sure - but perfect he wasn’t.

who is perfect?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The defense held Cook to 39 yards and the Vikings to 3 offensive points in the 2nd half. And they wouldn't have had those 3 if not for the roughing the kicker flag.

Why is it that the bad 1st half performance overrules the good 2nd half performance? Just because they didn't get 5 sacks doesn't mean they were bad. The defense played lights out in the 2nd half.

I think it’s more heat of the moment. In retrospect the defense did well in the second half except for when it mattered most abd they allowed them waltz down the field for what should’ve been a relatively routine fg of 37 yards to lose the game. If the Vikings hit that fg it kinda unwinds all of their second half effort as they crumbled at the end instead of slamming the door shut on a win, no?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

who is perfect?

Some posters think it’s outta bounds to talk about his errors. The only time I think that’s a legit position is when a player is perfect. Otherwise it’s fine to talk about errors.