Voluntary workouts underway

[Covert Rain]

I guess I will throw this thought in here.

I'm hoping the Suns are actively looking for another big man to add to the roster as Steve Nash obviously recognizes the need. See article from Paul Coro at azcentral dated 8-27-10. As an example I believe the Jazz are looking at Elson... not that he would be a good fit here.



http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...0100827phoenix-suns-steve-nash-challenge.html

I am with you. This team is going to get killed in the inside IMO. I think the Suns panicked a bit when they pulled the trigger on Turk. It was strange, the team made all these comments about how confident they were in Warrick. Then pulled the trade off for Turk. I am thinking they realized Warrick alone wasn't going to get it done. Just my one cent.

 

[Chaplin]

Barbosa for Turkoglu wasn't a panic move. Warrick? Yes, probably a panic move although he's not too expensive. But Barbosa for Hedo was as close to a no-brainer as you can get. In fact, I believe that deal was probably going to happen before Amare left. As it stands, besides Warrick, the Suns haven't been panicked ENOUGH to replace Amare.

But of course, it's really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. They may sign Steven Hunter, but will it really matter? Any big they sign now won't play unless there's an injury, and even then it still won't be much.

 

[Covert Rain]

Barbosa for Turkoglu wasn't a panic move. Warrick? Yes, probably a panic move although he's not too expensive. But Barbosa for Hedo was as close to a no-brainer as you can get. In fact, I believe that deal was probably going to happen before Amare left. As it stands, besides Warrick, the Suns haven't been panicked ENOUGH to replace Amare.

But of course, it's really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. They may sign Steven Hunter, but will it really matter? Any big they sign now won't play unless there's an injury, and even then it still won't be much.

I am not so sure. I mean the Suns were rumored to be looking at several big men and making calls. Knowing the team is going to struggle in that department it seems like they were at least inquiring. When all these teams started making moves, I could see the the Suns taking what they could and trying to add another scorer in Turk. It's pure conjecture on my part but it seems "panic" driven to me in terms of guys simply being grabbed up by other teams.

You could be right though. When Warrick was signed everyone had a proverbial eye brow raised on that one and I even questioned the Suns priorities on that one.

 

[Chaplin]

I am not so sure. I mean the Suns were rumored to be looking at several big men and making calls. Knowing the team is going to struggle in that department it seems like they were at least inquiring. When all these teams started making moves, I could see the the Suns taking what they could and trying to add another scorer in Turk. It's pure conjecture on my part but it seems "panic" driven to me in terms of guys simply being grabbed up by other teams.

You could be right though. When Warrick was signed everyone had a proverbial eye brow raised on that one and I even questioned the Suns priorities on that one.

And again, the Hedo deal was going to happen whether Amare was here or not. How does that equate to a panic move? Robin/Amare/Hedo/JRich/Nash with Grant Hill leading the bench guys doesn't sound like a bad lineup to me. I'm 90% sure that's what they were thinking about. But Amare didn't like the (IMO) reasonable offer that the Suns made. Had nothing to do with Hedo, except that when the trade did go through, the open spot in the lineup was PF, hence the announcement that he would play there.

 

[Covert Rain]

And again, the Hedo deal was going to happen whether Amare was here or not. How does that equate to a panic move? Robin/Amare/Hedo/JRich/Nash with Grant Hill leading the bench guys doesn't sound like a bad lineup to me. I'm 90% sure that's what they were thinking about. But Amare didn't like the (IMO) reasonable offer that the Suns made. Had nothing to do with Hedo, except that when the trade did go through, the open spot in the lineup was PF, hence the announcement that he would play there.

I don't believe the Suns pursue Hedo if Amare is still here. I really don't. I think Hedo was brought in here with the thought that between him and Warrick they could help fill those shoes at the PF spot.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't believe the Suns pursue Hedo if Amare is still here. I really don't. I think Hedo was brought in here with the thought that between him and Warrick they could help fill those shoes at the PF spot.

It was reported that they were going to acquire Hedo as part of the reasoning to get Amare to stay.

 

[Sunburn]

It was reported that they were going to acquire Hedo as part of the reasoning to get Amare to stay.

co-sign

 

[Covert Rain]

It was reported that they were going to acquire Hedo as part of the reasoning to get Amare to stay.

Had not read or heard that. In fact, I heard just the opposite that the Suns were trying to bring in another scorer because they were accepting the fact Amare was leaving.

Is there a link somewhere? Would be interested in reading.

Thanks.

 

[carey]

Had not read or heard that. In fact, I heard just the opposite that the Suns were trying to bring in another scorer because they were accepting the fact Amare was leaving.

Is there a link somewhere? Would be interesting in reading.

Somewhere, it was posted on the board before. Kind of thought everyone knew that by now.

 

[Covert Rain]

Somewhere, it was posted on the board before. Kind of thought everyone knew that by now.

Obviously not. I read a bunch of stuff during and after the transaction and didn't run across anything like that. Sort of didn't read anything after that.

I just tried doing a google search and all the articles I have found so far state things like this was a response to Amare's departure. I can't find one article that states the Hedo trade was immanent regardless of Amare or an attempt to keep Amare? It definitely isn't widely reported as such. Could be true but that wasn't how I had seen the transaction either.

 

[Mainstreet]

Obviously not. I read a bunch of stuff during and after the transaction and didn't run across anything like that. Sort of didn't read anything after that.

I just tried doing a google search and all the articles I have found so far state things like this was a response to Amare's departure. I can't find one article that states the Hedo trade was immanent regardless of Amare or an attempt to keep Amare? It definitely isn't widely reported as such. Could be true but that wasn't how I had seen the transaction either.

I do not recall reading such either.

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems Dampier is on the open market after being waived by the Bobcats with the Heat reportedly interested. Why not the Suns? The Suns need a backup center in the worst way.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69111/20100914/bobcats_waive_dampier_to_get_under_tax/

 

[SunsTzu]

I might be mistaken but I think Matt Self was the one that reported the Suns told Amare about the pending acquisition of Hedo before he went to New York. I personally believe it, especially when factoring in Barbosa requesting a trade and Hedo agreeing to make a large portion of his final year unguaranteed.

 

[Chaplin]

I might be mistaken but I think Matt Self was the one that reported the Suns told Amare about the pending acquisition of Hedo before he went to New York. I personally believe it, especially when factoring in Barbosa requesting a trade and Hedo agreeing to make a large portion of his final year unguaranteed.

That might be it. Not sure, but it wasn't widely reported. But it WAS reported.

And I don't think it's a stretch to say that Barbosa and Jones would still have netted us Hedo (who wanted out of Toronto BADLY) regardless of whether Amare was still on the team or not.

 

[elindholm]

I've always been sort of intrigued by Dampier, but I think his motivation is gone at this point. He's made his money and is at the end of his career. Unfortunately, he'd be a waste of a roster spot on a team like the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

That might be it. Not sure, but it wasn't widely reported. But it WAS reported.

And I don't think it's a stretch to say that Barbosa and Jones would still have netted us Hedo (who wanted out of Toronto BADLY) regardless of whether Amare was still on the team or not.

I have no doubt we could have still netted the same deal. I just question if the Suns would have gone in a different direction had they been able to work a deal with Amare.

 

[Griffin]

It was reported that they were going to acquire Hedo as part of the reasoning to get Amare to stay.

I remember reading that too. I thought it was a Coro blog. Reportedly Amare was told that the Suns were going to acquire Turkoglu during contract negotiations.

It seems Dampier is on the open market after being waived by the Bobcats with the Heat reportedly interested. Why not the Suns? The Suns need a backup center in the worst way.

I thought about Dampier too, and I think he still could be useful. I remember he killed us and Amare on the boards a few times, but that was a while back. The problem is, why would he want to sign here if he can just go to Miami (reportedly his first choice)? Why would any veteran minimum player for that matter? Seems like Miami is everyone's favorite destination once money is taken out of the equation.

 

[Folster]

That might be it. Not sure, but it wasn't widely reported. But it WAS reported.

And I don't think it's a stretch to say that Barbosa and Jones would still have netted us Hedo (who wanted out of Toronto BADLY) regardless of whether Amare was still on the team or not.

It came from Sarver himself during a Gambo and Ash interview. They were talking about the deal and Sarver said that he had been talking to B. Colangelo about a Barbosa for Hedo swap prior to Stoudemire leaving and mentioned it was an attempt to show Stoudemire that they were serious about contending. He said trade talks cooled off when Stoudemire left for NY but reignited in Vegas during the summer league if I recall correctly.

In fact, here is the post where I referenced Sarver's comments shortly after the interview. link

Just listened to the Gambo and Ash pod cast of their Sarver interview on 7/14. According to Sarver, the Hedo trade had been discussed for a few weeks and was presented to Stoudemire during negotiations as a player they would add to the team to try to entice him into re-signing for a title run. That explains the peculiar rumors that Toronto threw their hat into the Stoudemire discussions.

Nash, Dragic
Richardson, Dudley
Hedo, Hill
Stoudemire, Clark, Lawal
Lopez

MLE to Frye? No TPE for Childress and not enough money for Lou.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not saying this in a negative way but Amare was all about getting the 100M guaranteed contract. I don't think bringing Hedo into the conversation is relevant although we can now agree it was discussed. It would have significance if Amare was not all about the money but that's where his head was in the offseason. I can't blame him for taking the money with his history of injury. I'm glad Amare and the Suns departed on good terms.

 

[Griffin]

Coro reports:

At one point, the Suns thought Jason Richardson would join informal workouts at the start of last week. He is now expected to join them Monday, still a week ahead of the mandatory reporting date but well after most teammates arrived in August with the rest coming Sept. 7, except for Goran Dragic and Hedo Turkoglu getting a pass for some down time after the World Championship. Richardson is squeezing in quality time with his son in Denver.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/98825