I think it's plain to see that in these days of the NFL, you must have a mobile QB. The mobile QB is evolving into a premier focal point in the NFL. If you don't have a top pocket passing QB with great WR's, then you better have a QB who can escape the pocket. That's why I think the Cards would be doing themselves a favor by finding one. Watching Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson backs that statement. As bad as our offensive line is, even if we improve it, we still don't have a franchise QB. We would be doing ourselves a favor. What say you?
Wanted: Mobile QB.
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moklerman
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Manning, Flacco, Brady, Ryan, Schaub...
don't get suckered by the recent success of the read-option QB's.
don't get suckered by the recent success of the read-option QB's.
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Add Brees to that list.
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Remember when everyone thought Vick was the next big thing? Uh yeah...
Im sure some of them will have decent careers but don't expect pocket passers to go out of fashion anytime soon. A good qb is a good qb whether he can run or not.
Im sure some of them will have decent careers but don't expect pocket passers to go out of fashion anytime soon. A good qb is a good qb whether he can run or not.
CardsSunsDbacks
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Let's see what happens next year when DCs have a whole off season to game plan the read option and these QBs individually as well. These guys took the NFL by storm this year, but I wouldn't completely but into it until they prove that they can have prolonged success.
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I'd add that you need someone with enough footspeed not to be caught from behind by pursuing DE's or LB's when he decides to run for it.
Nope. The Cards need to draft OL and stop this WR crap.
They are in no position to compete with SF or SEA next year, and there are no solid QBs in the draft this year.
Suck it up. Build the line, wait for 2014.
They are in no position to compete with SF or SEA next year, and there are no solid QBs in the draft this year.
Suck it up. Build the line, wait for 2014.
Reddog
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I would be happy with an average or competent QB.
WisconsinCard
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Just playing devils advocate here, because I don't disagree with you, but it is a copy cat league. All those guys came in when it became a pocket passer's league. That why I think it could be the wave for a few years to see where it goes.
WildBB
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Have anyone in mind?
I Don't see any great runners/scramblers available this yr. in the draft that are double threats. No RG III, Russell Wilson types.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards
AsUpRoDiGy
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Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck are as mobile as you need...
WildBB
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Traditionally double threats are a real pain for opposing D's. Especially if they're better than average passers. Don't think those who can dissect a D through the air or or break good coverage with their legs will ever (have ever) go out of style.
WildBB
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When you can pass the way they can, agreed.
QBs are a total package thing. The QBs that can run, it's great. But the QBs that constantly rely on their run are often toast before the games even matter.
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And in a few years when most if not all those guys have had multiple surgeries you'll wish you had a good pocket passer.
I love watching Kaepernick, Griffin, Wilson etc get out and run, it's fun to watch. But the reality is as you hear over and over, there are lots of young running QB's, there are no old running QB's. Guys who run get hit too much and wind up getting hurt.
Guys like Steve Young that can run into their 30's are very rare, and even Young ran less as he got older.
Kaepernick looks like he's made of liquid metal right now, in a few years if he doesn't learn to play in the pocket he'll be beat up too.
I love watching Kaepernick, Griffin, Wilson etc get out and run, it's fun to watch. But the reality is as you hear over and over, there are lots of young running QB's, there are no old running QB's. Guys who run get hit too much and wind up getting hurt.
Guys like Steve Young that can run into their 30's are very rare, and even Young ran less as he got older.
Kaepernick looks like he's made of liquid metal right now, in a few years if he doesn't learn to play in the pocket he'll be beat up too.
This is exactly the point. A QB who can elude the rush while still looking to pass and extend a play or pick up 10 yards without getting hit is what you want. A mobil QB not necessarily a running QB. A guy isn't going to get hurt running for a first down across a vacated section of the field and then running out of bounds or sliding any more than a guy who sits in the pocket.
Especially if he's faster than almost all the defensive players.
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This is exactly the point. A QB who can elude the rush while still looking to pass and extend a play or pick up 10 yards without getting hit is what you want. A mobil QB not necessarily a running QB. A guy isn't going to get hurt running for a first down across a vacated section of the field and then running out of bounds or sliding any more than a guy who sits in the pocket.
Especially if he's faster than almost all the defensive players.
I agree with this. There is the element of instinct, that can't be taught, that the really good to great ones have. The knowing where the rush is coming from and the ability to slide away or step up into the pocket to get the ball away. Warner was great at that little half-step slide to buy that split second to deliver the ball.
These young guys will learn, if they don't get crippled in the process. RGIII, Wilson and Kap all can throw the ball very well also. THAT is what will keep them a starting QB in the league.
HCs are desperate to keep their jobs as evidenced by the rash of firings. If Griffin, Kaepernick, Wilson, et al add a few years to a coach's tenure then I am convinced they will use them until they are broken. How did that work out for Andy Reid? Shanahan is taking major heat over Griffin. 3 read/option QBs made the playoffs, 2 are out, so there is some short term success.
Running the Read Option in the pros is a mistake long term. So is having your offense rely on your QB running all the time like Vick does. QB draws and QBs taking off but only when the defense leaves huge gaps in the field is not. Having a guy like Wilson or Kaepernick who can really make a defense pay for leaving too big a hole in a zone or can avoid the rush with their quickness and still throw is a big advantage.
As for Andy Reid, didn't McNabb run a lot 2000-2004 while the Eagles were in the playoffs every year? 60-80 times a year or something like that? Vicks problem is that he doesn't know when to run he just takes off whenever.
kerouac9
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This. 2012's mobile QBs are 2015's pocket passers. As people have said, guys like Drew Brees, Matt Hasselback at his peak, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub when he started out, Jay Cutler, Phil Rivers, etc., etc. were never statues out there. They aren't and never were Drew Bledsoe.
Even Kevin Kolb has plus mobility and ability to throw on the run. The problem for the Cards is that Kolb can't stay healthy, and guys like Cutler and Rivers and Vick and others have had problems doing so, as well.
Soon enough it'll be difficult to find a top college passer who doesn't have plus mobility, but you're still better off keeping a guy in a predictable position in the pocket, because it takes pressure off your offensive line.
I laugh when people like Superfuzz scoff at predicitons that Vick would revolutionize the quarterback position. Look around, Fuzzy: Andrew Luck is a great runner. So is RG3. So is Cam Newton. So is Jake Locker (anyone in Nashville know what's up with Locker? I have no idea). Vick was just the prototype.
slinslin
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Two of those are rookies.
And the injury risk scenarios are totally overblown. If wide receivers, running backs can stay healthy then QB who can run can also stay healthy.
Just because Vick did not and Griffin got injured means nothing. Kevin Kolb also is not prove that immobile QBs are more injury prone because they don't escape the blitz well or something.
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But Andrew Luck has been one of the 3 least accurate passers in the NFL and was clearly outdone by two other rookie QBs drafted below him that could pass and run.
