Warner signed!

[WisconsinCard]

But Josh also had a better oline and WR's. So we will call it even.

9/12 4:15 PM FOX @PHI L 31-17
9/19 1:00 PM FOX WAS W 20-14
9/26 1:00 PM CBS CLE W 27-10
10/3 1:00 PM FOX @GB W 14-7
10/10 1:00 PM FOX @DAL W 26-10
10/24 1:00 PM FOX DET L 28-13
10/31 1:00 PM FOX @MIN W 34-13
11/7 4:05 PM FOX CHI L 28-21
11/14 4:15 PM FOX @ARZ L 17-14


I hope its not even because as you can see The giants weren't that good with Warner at the helm. I can see why he was benched. He was 5-4 last year as a starter Josh was 6-7. Not much difference. That said giving him 4 mil means to me he is the starter, and I am looking forward to him being come back player of the year.

 

[Stout]

So who gets cut? Shaun King or John Navarre?

I was against signing Warner but the fact that it's only a one year deal has changed my mind. Now we need a run-stuffing MLB and a TE and a couple of special teams players and we'll have had a good free agency period.

King for now, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see McCown go in the near future. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay either. With DG, who knows, and the way he's going, who cares? I trust him completely.

Although, I do feel if we keep Josh, he'll be the third string QB. Just a hunch.

 

[wilycoyote24]

Chance to start draws in Warner
Cards give QB 1 year, $4 mil


Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 7, 2005 12:00 AM

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Kurt Warner wanted a chance at a starting job and a multiyear contract. From the Cardinals, he received one of the two.

Warner agreed to terms Sunday on a one-year contract worth $4 million, including a $2 million signing bonus. He's expected he'll replace Josh McCown as the starting quarterback. Coach Dennis Green wasn't available for comment Sunday, but he isn't in the habit of signing free agents to become backups.

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"Even though this is a one-year deal, I really don't want to go anywhere else and would like nothing more than to end my career by helping the Cardinals win a championship," Warner said in the team's press release.

Warner, who visited Chicago Friday, canceled a trip to Detroit Sunday.

Warner, 33, was the team's top choice at quarterback in free agency, and club officials and his agent, Mark Bartelstein, discussed a multiyear contract. The Cardinals were unwilling to make a large, long-term financial commitment to Warner, so the parties settled upon a one-year deal.

"We agreed that the first objective was to get Kurt under contract. We felt like that was where he wanted to be," said Rod Graves, the team's vice president of football operations.

If Warner performs well, the Cardinals are willing to commit to a long-term contract, Graves said.

The Cardinals have four quarterbacks under contract, and Warner's signing likely means the departure of Shaun King, who served as a backup to McCown for most of last season. John Navarre is expected to be the third quarterback.

McCown declined comment Sunday, saying he'll speak with reporters Tuesday.

In a statement, Green called Warner's impending signing "exciting."

"He's proven he's one of the best competitors in the National Football League, regardless of position," Green said, "and is one of the bravest quarterbacks ever to play the position. We coached against him in the past and have a clear understanding of how much he wants to win."

It's questionable, however, how much Warner has left. In the past two seasons, he's lost the starting job with two teams, St. Louis and the New York Giants.

While in St. Louis, Warner twice was the NFL's MVP, but he's taken a long fall since. In 2003, he was benched after fumbling six times in a season-opening loss to the Giants.

Last year, he was benched by the Giants after the ninth game, which was, coincidentally, a 17-14 loss to the Cardinals.

He was criticized for hanging on to the ball too long. He was sacked six times against the Cardinals and 24 times in his past four starts.

But when reviewing tape of Warner, the Cardinals saw enough to give them hope. Their offense is similar to the one Warner operated in St. Louis, and Graves thinks Warner's experience and maturity will benefit McCown and Navarre.

"When we sat back and studied what has gone on with him the last couple years, we felt like there is certain ability and talent still left there," Graves said. "It just puts us in a more comfortable position knowing we have someone who is familiar with this offense."

Warner has suggested he wasn't benched because of performance. In New York, there was a young quarterback, Eli Manning, waiting to take over. And in St. Louis, there were extenuating circumstances, Warner said.

"The media has made so many determinations on what's wrong with me and why I'm not in St. Louis anymore," Warner said during his visit to Arizona last week. "And nobody knows the whole story. It's not something I'm going to talk about. But I know that the reason I'm not in St. Louis is not because I can't play this football game. It didn't have anything to do with my skills diminishing."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0307cards0307.html
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[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I wonder why he wanted to sign here enough to cancel his trip to Detroit with Green's refusal to give him a long-term contract. Was the money better than what he could have gotten elsewhere? Or does he erroneously agree with the vast majority of this board and think that McCown will be easy work in camp, easier than the wildly unpopular Harrington?[/font]

 

[wilycoyote24]

Warner, Arizona agree on deal

By Jim Thomas​

Of the Post-Dispatch​

03/06/2005

Giants quarterback Kurt Warner prepares to throw a pass last season in New York. From the day of his release by the Rams last June 2, it was just a matter of time before quarterback Kurt Warner would play his former club. Not only will it happen next season, it could happen twice.

Warner, 33, agreed to a one-year, $4 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday. Half of that $4 million comes in the form of signing bonus.

"From the beginning of this process, I was looking for the best situation for myself and my family, and the Cardinals clearly represent that," Warner said in a statement released Sunday by the Cardinals. "We are very impressed with the direction the organization is headed in and couldn't be more excited to be a part of it.

"Even though this is a one-year deal, I really don't want to go anywhere else, and would like nothing more than to end my career by helping the Cardinals win a championship."

Which would be quite a feat considering the Cardinals haven't had a winning season since 1998 and have only one postseason victory since 1947. Then again, Warner has been part of incredible turnarounds before.

The Rams were the NFL's losingest team in the 1990s and were coming off a 4-12 season when Warner took over at quarterback late in the 1999 preseason after Trent Green suffered a season-ending knee injury.

The rest, of course, is St. Louis sports history. The 1999 Rams, with Warner at QB, defeated Tennessee in Super Bowl XXXIV, and the Greatest Show on Turf was born. Warner won two league MVP awards with the Rams and went to two Super Bowls. But injuries, controversy and ineffective play led to Warner's release after the 2003 season.

After a year with the New York Giants in which he was benched in favor of Eli Manning after nine games, Warner exercised an option to void his contract with the Giants. Warner made a free-agent trip to Arizona late last week, then visited the Chicago Bears. He was scheduled to leave for Detroit and a visit to the Lions on Sunday but decided to sign with the Cardinals.

Why Arizona?

"Number one, they made it clear they really, really wanted him," Warner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, said Sunday night. "Their coaching staff probably called him three, four times a day over the last four, five days. They're going to run the same offense, pretty much, that he ran in St. Louis."

Dick Vermeil's tight ends coach last season in Kansas City, Keith Rowen, is the Cardinals' new offensive coordinator. The Chiefs run a version of the "Air Martz" offense. And the Cardinals apparently will as well.

According to Bartelstein, Warner is going to Arizona to be the starter.

"They feel like they're ready to win, and ready to win big," Bartelstein said. "Like anything else, you've still got to go in there and perform, but I think he's being brought in there to be the starter."

With the Giants last season, Warner completed 174 of 277 passes for 2,054 yards, with six touchdowns and four interceptions. But he was criticized for holding the ball too long and was plagued by fumbles. In his last start for the Giants - against the Big Red - he was sacked six times.

In Arizona, his main competition for the starting job will be Josh McCown, who was the Cardinals' starter for most of the 2004 season.

"Bringing Kurt Warner on board this fast-moving train is very, very exciting," Cardinals coach Dennis Green said in a statement. "He's proven he's one of the best competitors in the National Football League, regardless of position, and is one of the bravest quarterbacks ever to play the position."

Now that he's playing for Bill Bidwill's Cardinals in the NFC West, Warner will get two cracks a season to the show the Rams that they made a mistake in releasing him.

"I think it'll make for very interesting theater," Bartelstein said. "The NFL won't have trouble getting good ratings on that game."

Rams coach Mike Martz could not be reached for comment Sunday.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/22AC0B21530D588D86256FBD001A3B9C?OpenDocument​

I guess perhaps this answers my question.​

 

[Gee!]

Yeah - it sounds like the Giants O-line that Kurt had QB'd solidly to a 5-2 record until the defensive wheels completely fell off. You Josh guys are making it sound like Kurt Warner played behind the 99 Rams O-line last year - you guys remember us sacking him like 4,000 times? Their O-line was WORSE than ours and he still produced better than Josh. It's not a stretch at all to think he would have done better than Josh -after all - he is a QB - whereas Josh is a good athlete playing QB.

My God man... clif has his view, you have yours (which I agree with). Why it seem you pick and choose what to twist the words on? We all Cards fans. Let it go.

Amazing .. Im the voice of reason here. Excuse me while I go kill myself.

 

[Gee!]

oh man - I did't even think about Brenda - who wants to bet that KOC some how throws up on her during the first half of the season at some point?

 

[BW52]

Kurt Warner and Oliver Ross = Jeff Blake and Duval Love.
4 million for a immobile oft-injured QB and 3.8 million for a 31 year average RT.Foolish spending IMHO.I hope Warner can catch lightning in a bottle once more although i doubt that will happen.Ross is a lateral move from Clement.Much ado about nothing.I `m not a big McCown fan either.Band Aid fixes IMHO.So the rest of you can keep up worshipping at the DG shrine.

 

[Redsz]

Kurt Warner and Oliver Ross = Jeff Blake and Duval Love.
4 million for a immobile oft-injured QB and 3.8 million for a 31 year average RT.Foolish spending IMHO.I hope Warner can catch lightning in a bottle once more although i doubt that will happen.Ross is a lateral move from Clement.Much ado about nothing.I `m not a big McCown fan either.Band Aid fixes IMHO.So the rest of you can keep up worshipping at the DG shrine.

Boring...

Just think, with the time it took you to write that you could of done something useful.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Rats,

are you going to be delusional for the next few months or do you want to get me that jersey now?

 

[Jersey Girl]

My God man... clif has his view, you have yours (which I agree with). Why it seem you pick and choose what to twist the words on? We all Cards fans. Let it go.

Amazing .. Im the voice of reason here.

I was thinking the same thing, Gee! Woo hoo!

I wasn't originally for Warner, but, like a lot of you guys, like the one year deal. I think he will indeed get the starting job, which is fine by me cause I always liked Josh more as a backup QB anyway. He seemed to do better in that role for us.

And, I'm liking a lot of what I am reading on this thread, from some of his stats to what that Giants fan said about him. I am hoping that he will give us a Cinderella season ... or two! Welcome, Kurt!!!

 

[chickenhead]

Great signing. I was hesitant at first, but the more we discussed Warner as a possibility, the more I liked it (vs. Johnson, Garcia).

As for last year, as someone who watched all of Warner's starts, I feel strongly that he was the better QB. Yes, he did have a superior running game, which definitely balanced out his inferior O-line. But with regard to the receivers, it was clearly the WRs letting Warner down in NY, while I'd guess that it was McCown more often than not letting the AZ receivers down.

This is a great opportunity for Warner, and honestly, it's a good opportunity for McCown, too. Obviously he'd rather be starting, but this situation isn't so bad for him. Warner was great with Eli and a total team player with the NY press, who would have have jumped on any shred of bitterness. I think Warner will be a great help to McCown. Plus, we know McCown can step in if he needs to.

 

[Redheart]

I told my carpool-friend about the Warner signing...

...he seemed surprised and excited. He asked me to pick up an extra season ticket for him this year because of the Warner deal...

I already had two season-tickets, now I will order three. From what I can see, this FA signing has increased season-ticket sales by 50%!!!

 

[justAndy]

...

wait and see - i didn't like it at all on first hearing, but looking at Warner's career stats, and even his stats from last year - there's a chance it'll work.
It's risk, but better than doing nothing.

 

[azdad1978]

Cardinals sign Kurt Warner to one-year contract
By Darren Urban, Tribune

Kurt Warner wanted long-term security. Instead, he got a one-year trial with the Arizona Cardinals. The Cardinals got the free agent quarterback they wanted Sunday when Warner agreed to a one-year, $4 million contract.

And because of the length of the contract, the team also has the flexibility to stick with incumbent starter Josh McCown if Warner doesn’t work out.

The deal was even more surprising since Warner was supposed to arrive in Detroit on Sunday night for a visit today with the Lions. That was canceled, and Warner remained home in New Jersey. A press conference will be held in Arizona on Tuesday, when Warner will sign his new contract.

Warner, who will turn 34 in June, had said the reason he signed a one-year contract with the New York Giants last season was to set himself up for a new long-term pact. Cardinals vice president of football operations Rod Graves said that was what he and Warner’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, originally discussed.

But when the sides couldn’t agree to a compensation level beyond 2005, both compromised.

"We concluded the first objective was to get Kurt under contract," Graves said. "He wanted to be here. Then we felt we will have an opportunity to evaluate it . . . and enter into a long-term deal with him. It’s up to Kurt now as to the level of his value."

Bartelstein did not return a phone message but told ESPN.com Warner agreed to a one-year contract because "Kurt wants to control his own destiny."

"He thinks he is on top of his game," Bartelstein said. "He thinks he’s going to play at a Pro Bowl level."

First, Warner has to start.

The team’s whirlwind wooing of Warner didn’t begin until about 10 days ago, but the Cards quickly provided good reasons to come to Arizona — mainly that he would have a chance to start. It became clear that in viewing his other possible options in both Chicago (where Rex Grossman will start) and Detroit (Joey Harrington), they weren’t as attractive as challenging McCown with the Cardinals.

"I still believe I can be a starter and play at an extremely high level in this league," Warner said during his visit to Arizona last week. " . . . But you have to reserve yourself that it’s (unlikely) to walk into a situation and just be handed the ball."

Through a team spokesman, McCown declined to comment.

Graves deferred to Green about whether Warner would compete with McCown or if the two-time NFL MVP would get the job. At the recent NFL scouting combine, Green said McCown was the starter "right now."

Green was not made available for comment Sunday, but in an interview on Sporting News radio Sunday night, most of his answers sounded like Warner is going to get the job.

However, when asked directly who his starting quarterback is going to be, Green first said he didn’t want to get into it before saying the job is "wide open."

Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin said he was encouraged by the signing and felt Warner was still a good NFL quarterback, although he is expecting competition this summer.

"Hopefully they give (Josh) a fair shot," Boldin said. "Hopefully, whoever is the better player will get to start."

Added running back Marcel Shipp, "That’s the NFL. Someone is always looking for your job — it’s the nature of the game."

One of the reasons the Cardinals targeted Warner was because of his familiarity with the offense of new coordinator Keith Rowen, who came from Kansas City and coach Dick Vermeil. Warner played under Vermeil in St. Louis.

Warner has not played a full season, either because of injury or coaches’ decisions, since 2001. While he insisted the lack of playing time makes him healthier than most his age, a one-year contract makes sense for the Cardinals.

"Even though this is a one-year deal," Warner said in a statement, "I really don’t want to go anywhere else and would like nothing more than to end my career by helping the Cardinals win a championship."

EXTRA POINTS: Free agent linebacker Ed Hartwell has returned to his home in Baltimore. He is expected to visit Atlanta and Seattle this week if he doesn’t quickly sign with Kansas City or Arizona. . . .

Graves said the Cardinals were expecting to host one free agent visitor today.

Kurt Warner Height: 6-foot-2 Weight: 200 pounds Born: June 22, 1971 College: Northern Iowa NFL experience: Seven years Career highlights: NFL MVP 1999, 2001; Super Bowl XXXIV MVP; quarterback rating of 95.7, second in NFL history among quarterbacks who have thrown at least 1,500 passes (Steve Young is first at 96.8).


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=37524

 

[Rats]

Rats,

are you going to be delusional for the next few months or do you want to get me that jersey now?

It's no delusion that Kurt could be on the sidelines after the first week for throwing 5 int. I do not want that to happen but we all knew a Vet was going to be signed. I think with Kurts recent history McCown could very easily get 8 starts and I will be the one wearing the jersey. The odds were in my favor now they are tipped towards yours...I wouldn't want to prematurely give up on McCown. Lets wait until he is cut

 

[MadCardDisease]

Dick Vermeil's tight ends coach last season in Kansas City, Keith Rowen, is the Cardinals' new offensive coordinator. The Chiefs run a version of the "Air Martz" offense. And the Cardinals apparently will as well.

Yes! We have the weapons at WR. Might as well use them!

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Warner fumbles too many times and holds the ball too long, But Josh sucks even more then Warner in these catagories, McCown has zero pocket pressence and is a fumble machine. I love this signing, because Warner is not afraid to air it out and can actually read a defense, unlike McCown. Warner as a starter, McCown and Navarre as back ups, Cards are actually pretty deep at the QB position, I like it

 

[bigredjane]

Wow!!

I love it. Finally we get to see our hot shot receivers get the ball thrown to them!

 

[CaptTurbo]

It's no delusion that Kurt could be on the sidelines after the first week for throwing 5 int. I do not want that to happen but we all knew a Vet was going to be signed. I think with Kurts recent history McCown could very easily get 8 starts and I will be the one wearing the jersey. The odds were in my favor now they are tipped towards yours...I wouldn't want to prematurely give up on McCown. Lets wait until he is cut

good post! I agree!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I really think that if Warner really sucks that much(and there is a decent possibility this could be the case), Denny puts in Navarre ahead of McCown down the line. Navarre is one of his guys bottom line and already was promoted ahead of Josh last season - with another year in the system, it's no stretch to believe he wouldn't be ahead of him again.

 

[Rats]

I really think that if Warner really sucks that much(and there is a decent possibility this could be the case), Denny puts in Navarre ahead of McCown down the line. Navarre is one of his guys bottom line and already was promoted ahead of Josh last season - with another year in the system, it's no stretch to believe he wouldn't be ahead of him again.

As much as I have argued with you....I completely agree that John being DG draft pick could get the nod later in the year with Josh not being signed but for 1 year. It would seem logical. If we are in the playoff hunt and Warner goes down with an injury though I would expect Josh to get the collar...dog or not.

 

[BW52]

Boring...

Just think, with the time it took you to write that you could of done something useful.

My opinion.If you don`t like it its your business.Last i heard it is still a board for expressing opinions.Go kiss your DG poster.

 

[Redsz]

:roll:

You added nothing to the discussion apart from spouting some negative dribble. No soloutions, no alternatives just 'Denny sucks and these moves are terrible'.

Let me guess, you where part of the same group who said Macklin is no better than David Barrett and Berry is nothing without Pryce.

 

[Skkorpion]

I skipped about 3 pages there. Whew.

It's simple. Clearly Denny Green values both McCown and Warner. Money doesn't lie. $4 mill for Kurt and $1.4 mill worth of middle tender to Josh which includes the right to match any offer.

Denny wants BOTH of these guys because he thinks EITHER or BOTH may have upside.

 

[BW52]

:roll:

You added nothing to the discussion apart from spouting some negative dribble. No soloutions, no alternatives just 'Denny sucks and these moves are terrible'.

Let me guess, you where part of the same group who said Macklin is no better than Davis Barrett and Berry is nothing without Pryce.

Did i say DG sucks? I don`t care for him as a coach but he is coaching the team i have rooted for for many years.
Why Warner? He injury prone and immobile. I would have rather go for a QB in the draft or at least bring in a younger QB ( Tim Couch, for example).couch has some mobility.
I wish Warner well and hope he can do what ALL of us hope he can and lead the Cards.
Oliver Ross is basically a older Clement with a attitude.Lateral move.
For the record i liked the Berry signing and thought Macklin did better than most expected.
I have not and probably will not agree with all the personel decisions DG makes for whatever reasons.If this pisses off some people too damn bad.Last i heard its still a free country and i don`t think DG walks on water.All coaches make choices that the are wrong in.Other coaches get hung out to dry for getting rid of players (Boston) while other get cheered for setting a example (Kendall).Different way of looking at things i guess.